16lvl/JlptN4 Kanji celebration, few tips for speeding up and general questions for fluent users

Greetings everyone.
はじめまして! :dizzy:

Doing WK and other Japanese studies steadily for a few month and want to share some experience and ask you about your journey.

My goal with Japanese learning is to experience a rich culture (a lot of video games and manga, some anime) and future trips to Japan, maybe work.
Learning non-european language is also a very challenging concept that got me hooked to try it at all, but I stayed because I love to study it, especially with WK.
Generally speaking, I want to achieve something like firm / fluent N3 asap to hold conversations and enjoy the immersion more.

This post is a celebration of milestone of 1/4 of Wanikani levels and Jlpt 4 kanjis, but also an opportunity to learn your experience, feel free to share!
I also one of those people who loves to research stuff rather then actually do something, so I spend dozens of hours on reddit and WK forum reading about best approaches and stuff, but after trying bunch of it myself I made my own routine.

My core activity is WK - doing 3-4 review sessions per day, learning radicals and kanji asap, steady 7 days per level (tried faster but it’s bad for health to wake up at night so no point really).
WK is one of a few things that actually work for me.

Few tips and rules I use to move forward (search for ultimate WK guide for more stuff from 60lvl users) for those who wanna to speed things up:

1.Doing reviews from keyboard + browser scripts.
Best advice to speed up you experience, especially when you have a pile of 100+ reviews (try to avoid).
Reorder is very important for fast pace and redo/ignore helps with typos.

  1. Using Flaming Durtles.
    I was Kakumei user but it’s not very suitable for fast pace so I switched to FD and it`s great. Most of lessons I do from this one. A lot of great scripts and dashboard build in, love it.

3.Using 1x1 mode, reading first.
I don`t care how good this random mess of meaning and readings is good for retention - It’s too hard to concentrate for me and it’s much longer to do reviews that way.
In natural context I see word, then read it, then remembering the meaning. Good enough for me,

  1. For ±7 days per level do radicals and second kanji batch lessons and reviews asap.
    Also study all vocab asap to guru it before next batches (with little overlap but at least you won’t have 200 apprentice and 200 lessons).
    Best study/life balance is 7 days per level (new level is in the morning)
    I tried max speed (though wasted some hour so it’s 6d21h) and it`s very bad to wake up in the middle of the night to knock few reviews. extra 4h per level economy do not worth it imo.

  2. Lookup real radical names when trying to remember some kanjis.
    Some of the new names (and a lof of mnemonics tbh) doesn`t make much sense so if you struggling to make sense out of kanji - try search for traditional names for radicals. There’s a separate topic for that.

  3. Make your own mnemonics.
    Some of WK`s are very long and not very logical, try to feel what clicks for you. If you are not a native English speaker you can also try to use your native language to remember the readings better - works great!

In between and after WK I do Bunpro - currently halfway through JLPT5, bad retention of different conjugations and tenses so not rushing here, but I think I might need to continue JFZ books and watch more CureDolly for grammar. I love Bunpros example sentences cause they are very good for listening practice for my low level, very comprehendible.

I really wanna start properly drill Kamesame for production and non-kanji words (its horrible feeling when you actually dont know the word when trying to produce it) but don`t know how to fit it because WK and Bunpro are already consume too much time every day.

I watch super beginner videos from Comprehensible Japanese YT channel with subs.
Sometimes I do JFZ and CureDolly for grammar.

Tried few Anki deck but finished only core 100 words and other stuff decided to leave for later.

Tried Satori but feels like I`m too low on grammar for that for now.

Occasionally trying to play my DS backlog like Zelda, Dobutsu no Mori and Dragon Quest, but still lacking grammar base and it`s too much kana there sometimes.

Wanna start grinding through anime backlog with subs and yomichan since I need to develop listening comprehension.

I remember how much I benefited from reading all Harry Potters and few Dune books while actively learning English. Then few hundred hours of yt videos and audiobooks helped me with decent listening comprehension, but I wonder if it will be the same with Japanese.

My major concern is when is the best time to benefit best from immersion (around level 30 of WK but don`t want to waste time before this moment).

Any tips, thoughts, advices and your experience are appreciated! :heart_on_fire:

ありがとうございました! :sweat_drops:

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I think you should still read, try out graded readers, or better yet, join the absolute beginners book club. You’re going to have trouble on your first read no matter what, best to start early.

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I think that’s a hint that immersion might be for you :slight_smile: .

However

Level 30 is already half the journey and you’ll know way more kanji than is needed to start reading native material. Also, you can start with beginner stuff, graded readers or stuff like NHK Web Easy and Yomichan to help you with reading kanji you don’t know yet.

To me personally Anki is a massive chore, but it’s a necessary evil to make sure you don’t start forgetting words and readings you already know.

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Thank you, I will read more!

I have a huge backlog already so book club is probably not a fit for me.

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Thank you!

Graded readers are great but I will move forward to tackle target material for kids like Draqon Quest.
NHK are in my backlog, thank you!

What Anki deck do you recommend to compliment WK and grammar studies? I wanted to do Tango (core 2/6k), but too many SRS already… Have you tried Kamesame/KaniWani?

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Yes, Anki + WaniKani might be a little tough. However, you can balance that by limiting the number of cards you do daily :slight_smile: . The Tango decks should be okay. Another popular one is the core 2.3k deck.

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Maybe Dragon Quest will be tough?
I tried ゼルダの伝説 大地の汽笛(Zelda Spirit Tracks) many many years ago and quit right there on the introduction and took a massive motivation hit :broken_heart: careful!

I recently started reading the free Tadoku reading materials, they have from complete beginner level 0 up to intermediate N3, it’s all free, I read on Natively here

I would also recommend reading manga that interests you as many have already said, it’s a different kind of speech, from graded readings or books or games.
Also, I recently joined the ルリドラゴン book club in here, but if you don’t have time there are many other beginner manga that have also their own book club thread.
They offer many resources such as vocabulary worksheets and grammar worksheets that make the process of deciphering much easier and there is no pressure for keeping up the pace as they are already finished :blush:

To be honest, never in my life I’ve been able to keep working on any Anki decks, I really dislike the app. For grammar or other things rather than parroting those Core decks it’s much more fun to actually read something interesting or designed to entertain. Even the kid stories are good, I’ve learned tons from those.

To me it was reading Harry Potter as a kid and later A Song of Ice and Fire! We did it once already, we’ve got this.

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Oooh, I feel you!
I tackled Spirit Tracks and it was a blow, I was mining intro with a dictionary for 2 hours straight haha! Mukashi-mukashi is the only thing I remembered :smiling_face_with_tear:

Dragon quest is a little bit easier but still not my level.

Tadoku are great, thank you!

I have a crazy backlog of videogames, anime and manga I wanna enjoy so gonna tackle it one by one.

Oh, I used ASOIAF for listening practice (I like audiobooks), it was great!
:sweat_drops:

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