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I do my best to add vocab words to the spreadsheet, but there are some phrases that I don’t understand, so I don’t know which definition of the word to add. ごめんなさい！
In particular, I ended up reading page 60 several times to try to understand the vocabulary, and I think I came out of that understanding the page better. It seems like Eve wanted to cast a spell, so she created a crystal heart from her body? As in, it’s sort of her own heart ?
It seemed like this section used ほど several times, which was really good practice for me.
ネム：私の心臓の結晶片を持っていたな
Nemu: You still have a crystallized fragment of my heart, don’t you
It appears that Eve brought some fragments of Nemu’s old body to town. Last week she sold some, like the tooth, to the rip-off merchant. We can guess that she also brought this heart fragment, but didn’t sell it. Its function, well, will probably come up soon!
Thanks for all the vocab you added! When you are not sure it’s fine to leave out the word, or put it in and leave the definition blank. What you don’t want to do is put in the wrong definition and confuse someone else, so best asking in the threads when you are not sure.
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On page 60 I think ふんふん is probably sniff sniff, rather than uh-huh. She’s holding her nose, and I think it’s foreshadowing the upcoming sneeze.
Also 肉体 I think is probably flesh and blood, rather than blood relative. The sentence is saying that magic is part of your body, like your flesh and blood.
Thank you for the correction - I forgot to look at the context and choose the most appropriate translation instead of just going with the first dictionary entry. I’ll try to be more careful next time.
I’m a bit behind and reading through this chapter now. I have to say that there have been a lot of mistakes on the vocab sheets so far.
I knew 食える奴 immediately had something to do with him being shady and nothing to do with him being tasty. One google search also confirmed that.
I think if someone is a less experienced reader, and doesn’t 100% know what definition of the vocab is being used, they shouldn’t add it to the sheet. It can really confuse readers who come along later.
I mean, he’s fairly tasty but I guess that’s beside the point…
I think it’s tricky - the vocab sheet works best when there are a lot of people contributing. And often it’s the less experienced readers that are more committed to putting in the time to contributing to it.
But you’re right, we need to err on the side of not adding words if you’re not sure about them - as that risks confusing others.
You’re right — I’m still an inexperienced reader, so I’ll refrain from adding more words to the vocabulary sheets for now. I don’t want to risk confusing anyone, and I apologize for any confusion I may have caused.
Regarding this particular case with 食える: I was under the impression that the dictionary form was what was needed for the sheet, and one of the dictionary entries is actually “to be tasty.”
In the manga, though, we have 食えん奴, which literally seems to mean something like “inedible fellow,” but is probably better understood as “shady fellow” or something along those lines.
I’m not sure what specifically the spreadsheet means by dictionary form, but personally in cases like this I’d put in 食えない rather than 食う, since it’s in dictionaries and has this extra meaning of “shrewd”.
Yeah, this is a good example of a more tricky vocab word. 食えない does mean “not be tasty”. And if the sentence in our book was something like - このなっとは食えない (this natto is not tasty) - then the dictionary form would be 食える.
Alternatively the transitive verb 食う can be written in its potential form as 食えない, meaning “be unable to eat” (among other possible definitions). If our book had the sentence - 私はなっとを食えない (I can’t eat natto) then the dictionary form would be 食う.
But this specific form of 食える has come to have its own distinct meaning as a word and it means “shrewd” (again, among other definitions). Hence 食えない has its own dictionary entry for this definition.
Presumably the origin of this word is from 食う and perhaps means something like - you can’t eat this guy, you can’t take this guy lightly (cause he’s shrewd).
(I must have made at least one error in all of that, feel free to correct me if you spot one!)
And while we are on the topic of what it means for people to be edible, there’s also an expression 人を食った - somebody who does take others lightly so to speak.
In all fairness, I had never seen 食えない before this. It is nice to know that my intuition for Japanese is much better than it used to be lol. Calling myself an “experienced reader” also feels weird, but I guess after 5 years it’s finally true.
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