Vocab Sheet , the frequency data is very inaccurate due to being incomplete.
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Cassius laments Estelle being a tomboy and wonders if he raised her right. I’m also dubious of his parenting style but for a different reason: why does he leave his daughter alone in this seemingly isolated house to go traveling all over the place?
Also calling a refugee kid お土産 is pretty bold I guess.
I struggled to understand the exchange between Cassius and the boy in bed because little is said and a lot is implied so I looked up the English version to make sure I got it right:
The boy is wondering why Cassius did this and why he didn’t leave him behind (the English version explicitly says “leave to die” but the Japanese just says “abandon” as far as I can tell). Cassius doesn’t have an answer (probably just decided to not let a kid did as a matter of basic empathy) and the boy implies that it was a mistake and asks if Cassius really understands the consequences of his decision. Then Estelle prevents the exchange from continuing, leaving the ominous implications for later.
Also I really need to add 掴む to my Anki deck, it’s not jouyou but I encounter it regularly and I always forget what it means.
I played this section last week but I’ll write down what I remember now. Probably the strangest/funniest word I saw was 耳年増 to refer to Schera (named in dialog and implied to be looking after Estelle, but not met yet) I can see that being used to refer to a young Schera but I don’t think they left that as is in English. Kind of awkward to translate that literally.
Cassius can be a sketchy parent, not a bad father especially by shounen standards, but he’s not the most present for things. Speaking of presents: Joshua, we learn his name after the fmv but before the game gives us movement and menus. Estelle reacts poorly to him and is pretty rude, just actively jumping on and scolding this injured child.
Went ahead the night before to give this a shot cause I’ll be having some appointments and busier than usual tomorrow –
Made it through that bit easily enough! It’s worth mentioning I have voice acting, so that makes it easier, but this was a pretty laid back read so far. Presumably it’s going to be the most slice of life-like it ever will right now, before we get into the meat of the story. Either way, the textboxes seem small, so I’m not expecting any possible difficulty increase to be that huge.
Characters feel a bit traditional in certain archetypes, but it’s nice that they have a lot of personality and unique voice to them very quickly. Of course, this was like a couple thousand characters only so no big judgments any time soon, heh. I have to admit that the way the sprite looked made me think he brought in an infant before the boy started talking. haha.
Yeah, this word was definitely odd (and hard to guess the meaning of) the first time I saw it. It’s also used in 黎の軌跡 (where is makes more sense in the context of the given conversation). That is to say, one can at least get some value out of having looked up this word if one plays through the whole series!
It’s a very particular meaning, interesting term. I know I’ve seen this word at least once before too, though I can’t place where. Some visual novel, maybe Summer Pockets? I had forgotten it by now so we’ll see how things look when I get further in the series, if I don’t already run into it before
You say it’s not a good look (and realistically it isn’t) but it’s also hilarious. You brought an alive kid? What the heck, dad, isn’t it supposed to be dead?
Just fyi, the English version is very much a localisation, not just a translation. The English version does give a little more info than the Japanese here.
The English version of that line went along the lines of That girl! She’s going to get me in trouble one of these days with all of her nonsense. Nowhere near as oddly specific as 耳年増 but works better as a translation.
Yeah, jumping on the injured child is not very productive for a full recovery.
The text boxes can change size
I found this article, which (summarising) says the め particle means the speaker is annoyed at the person whose name precedes it.
I’m only now appreciating how small Liberl is compared to Erebonia and Calvard. But I suppose it makes some sense given how close locations feel to each other in this game.
Thanks to all those more familiar with the series for marking future spoilers!
It takes me some time to get hooked on a new game even when not spending extra energy interpreting language, so I’m glad we’re starting slow. The intro took me about 30-40 minutes, including vocab lookups, and I’ve also gone through the menus to get familiar with them. The craft and s-craft names are going to give me the most trouble, I can tell already.
By the way, can anyone tell me what the hidden item situation is like? Does everything you can pick up clearly stand out, like in treasure chests, or is it like old school Final Fantasies where you can sometimes find stuff in pots, buckets, etc.? Because so help me I will waste a bunch of time compulsively checking every polygon on the map if it means a free potion!
