ファタモルガーナの館 // The House in Fata Morgana: Door 2 (Visual Novel Informal Club)

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Everyone is welcome to read at their own pace and post any impressions, theories, or questions at any time within this thread. Those of us starting together may loosely informally stick together, but please feel free to chime in any time!

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Door 1

Door 3

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Since we have the poll in the home thread I think one in each of these is kind of redundant so I cut it.

The one thing I may need to make explicit is where exactly we group in-between scenes; there’s a little time back in the manor before entering this door similar to the “prologue” IIRC. Because thread 1 worked that way we can PROBABLY put everything from the moment after Door 1 ends into this thread, but if the exact content of it makes it make more sense to be there or something we can see; I need to get there first haha. It’s not a huge deal anyway as long as you label and hide the stuff accordingly.

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Might take me a while to get to Door 2 in Japanese around now, but I just wanted to leave a remark here that Door 2 was the first time when I went like


playing though this game, so I’m really excited to read y’all’s reactions, and I’m curious how some of the dialogues are going to be rendered in Japanese, so I’m just lurking in this one and see you in 8 months, or however long it takes for me to get here ^^

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Hehe sounds promising!

Thoughts so far, 63k, up until ポーリーン appears for the first time

It was a bit hard to start with a new door, have to go through a new setting again, which means more difficult sentences and far from the fast pace at the end of door 1.
Went OK with understanding the monster, good practice for hiragana / katakana!
I had no idea was へいおんに、いきたい。 was, but then the maid said 何も無いこと……、けれどそれは、得難い平穏なのです。, so figured that へいおん was 平穏?

Funny how there was a parallel in this part with the Little Red Riding Hood, just like in the first door there was a lot of parallel with the tale with the pigeon. Also impressed by the game’s consistency with time dates so far, Romeo and Juliet is 1597 so it fits with 1603 in door 1, and Little Red Riding Hood is from 1697 so it fits with the year 1707.

Also this line was nice to make the character count balloon x)
ははハ■ヒヒヒッ■■■■アハッハハハハハ■■■■■■ヒヒヒヒヒ■■■■■ヒヒャハハハははははアハハハはあああはははははははは■■■■ははふふふフフひひっはははひあぁはははあはっ■■■■■ヒヒヒヒぃぃぃっひひひいひは■■■ハハハアははハははハハははは■■■■はは■アハッ■■■ハハアハハはは■■■■■■■■■■■ヒヒヒヒヒヒ■■■■■■■■ふふふうふッははははははははははははっははははああああははヒヒッひひひひひひひひひひヒハッはああはッはははははヒーーーイィヒヒヒヒヒヒヒヒヒひひひひアァーーーーーーーハハハハハハハハハははははハハハハハハハハはははああははははははふひひヒヒィヒッひっひひああははははははアハッハはははひひいひひいひっひひひひひあいあひひいははははははハハハハハハハハハハハハハハッハハハハハハハハハハハハハハハハハハハハハハハハハハッハハハハハハハハハハハハハハハハハハハハハハハハハハハハハハハハハハハハハハ!!!!

Curious to find out more about this door and the game in general, really enjoying it so far, don’t want to read anything else anymore :joy:

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Character counting

ahhh you’ve found the funky rendering already :smiling_face_with_three_hearts::smiling_face_with_three_hearts::smiling_face_with_three_hearts:

this door is gonna be capital F Fun, hope you’re in for a ride!! C:

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Up till ポーリーン

I agree with you, the new words at the beginning of the door were a bit hard to get into. And the monster’s wording was a bit funky at the start, just makes you realise how much we actually rely on kanji to get the meanings of words.

Nice noticing the details with the dates of the story, that makes it even more impressive. I didn’t even know that it was like that :smiley: .

And yup, I felt the same after finishing the first door, don’t wanna read anything else anymore, I need to know how this continues. Nice to see we’re all enjoying this. Looks like I might have a contender for speedrunning this :joy:

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I’m basically timing my reading with where people post about, so I stopped there for now too. Won’t be able to read this weekend so I might have some catching up to do after, though.

Also to ポーリーン

Time for screenshot appreciation again, these are so pretty. And I like the warped manor too:

ベステア already got better at outputting Japanese than me :sob: . At least there was no mention of him learning to read so far. I love what an enormous shift this story is, from the problems of nobles to violent beastmen. I loved all the mood setting descriptions of how the place has become ruined and the surrounding natural beauty and conflict. It’s probably good I’m reading this now that I have enough experience with Japanese to appreciate writing style elements a little better.

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Loving the screenshots! Haha I get a bit triggered too when fictional characters learn perfect Japanese so easily…. I played quite a bit more but it’s hard to tell where I am without spoilers. I have met ハビ a couple of times.. Doesn’t feel like I’m at nearing the end of the door, but might just keep the comments for when I do!

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I was also tearing my hairs out over how to convey where I am without spoiling anything, so far I am just deciding to keep it until the end of the chapter and then dump it all at once. Oh and since I’m also playing with the mod, expect some nice screenshots from me too.

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Oh nice, I’ll be looking forward :slight_smile: I have to confess this door is not pulling me in as much as the first one did. But maybe it’s just getting started…

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Okay, finished the second door, and oh boy there is a lot to unpack here. (I might have written a bit too much lol)

HUGE SPOILERS, ONLY READ AFTER FINISHING DOOR 2

This door starts of a bit slower, with the introduction of the ‘monster’, it slowly learning human words and acquiring the mannerisms and starting to resemble a “human”. The monster calls himself Bestea when the maid asks him for his name .

After a while, a trader visits the mansion, which Bestea ends up killing after the trader mentions a knife he has on him to protect himself from the monster the villagers are talking about.

We are then briliantly misled into thinking that the merchant Bestea killed is ポーリーン’s beloved. I really enjoyed how here it cut straight to ポーリーンbeing told her beloved was killed, since the merchant also mentioned a sweetheart he has back home. It didn’t even occur to me that the merchant here had no sprite at the time, even though ポーリーン’s actual beloved did in the later scenes…

From then on, every week he kills another human who wonders into the mansion to satisfy his craving for blood. Eventually, a white haired girl who is described to be near identical in apperance to the door 1 white haired girls appears at the mansion. (So a descendant? Could their lineage be somehow also connected to the mansion in a deeper way?) When bestea goes to kill her when he’s sure she’s asleep, he finds out she doesn’t fear him killing her like all the other people he’s killed up till then. She couldn’t see Bestea since she was blind, and kept telling him how he’s a human and not a monster. (Here I really just thought “Huh, so it’s like a beauty and a best kinda twisted scenario?”). From then on, he kept her by her side, as she didn’t reject him and he felt like she could help him achieve his 平穏.

Then next week, into the mansion visited another “beast”. In fear, Bestea runs away from it, but makes a stand to “protect” the girl. He slays the monster, but that breaks his mental state further. Then he tells us of his past, how first thing he remembers is the village and being called Bestea. (I liked how here, it misled us again to think, that Bestea killed because of the fear and rejection pointed towards him by the humans and not because of an actual desire for killing. This entire door really was keeping us in the dark quite briliantly.)

Then we find out, that ポーリーン came to the vilage to look for him, and after talking to ハビ a few times, whos parents and friends were all killed by Bestea, he leads her to the monsters mansion, where finally, the big bomb is dropped on us. ポーリーン recognizes Bestea and bangs on the door, and whe he opens, she calls him ユキマサ, her beloved… And this is the same scene where Bestea killed another “monster”, just from ポーリーン’s POV…

Now at first, this doesn’t really make sense, but since ユキマサ saw himself as a beast and was from the same country as ポーリーン’s father, it isn’t too hard to imagine what’s going on. The villagers saw him as a beast since he was a different race (heavily implied to be japanese), right after he had amnesia after drifting ashore and was on the verge of death. He then saw himself as a beast too due to the villagers, and ポーリーン who was half of the same race, then seemed a beast to him too.

We also learn of ユキマサ 's past memories through his dreams, all the while he’s becoming more and more unstable. In those memories, we find out that he had the desire to kill since the beginning, and truly enjoyed it. It was also funny how after learning this, one interaction between ユキマサ and ポーリーン was shown again, this time taking on a much different tone, similar to how the scene from childhood was shown in door 1 at the end.

At the end, the single person he wanted to protect, the white girl, is killed by villagers while ユキマサ was at the village trying to buy medicine for her. He then returns, finds her killed and thus loses his “chain” binding him to peace. In the cellar, surrounded by men from the village, the door closes…

Oh boy this was such a wild ride. Was really starting off slower and felt a bit long at times, but it gradually did build up interest and the twist really reminded me just how much impact on a story can the perspective from which it is being told have. Really liked how well this door was able to mislead me, only to then drop the brutal truth.

poor ポーリーン


Smiling ポーリーン

But don’t forget, the sea is pretty

Umineko called, they want their seagulls back

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Hehe congrats! I’ll read whenever I get there!

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I’m still behind, only just now met the character you mentioned for the first time. Probably not going to go too much further before I have to stop and be away through the weekend, so I’ll be a bit slow.

Anyway I hope it grabs you better before the end! That said a lot of these chapters have pretty different vibes so it’s inevitable some are going to land better for certain people than others. I think this is more to my tastes that door 1, maybe in part just cause I enjoy the horror aesthetics a lot.

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Yes that makes sense.
Having a two day break here so you won’t fall too far behind!

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I’ll also take a break before starting door 3 to give yall time to catch up :slight_smile:

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Haha good to know, otherwise I was already thinking that @Daisoujou should open door 4 now just in case :joy:

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Finished door 2 :slight_smile: don’t know if people want to know, but my total character count says 120.936, so slightly longer than door 1

My thoughts on door 2 (with lots of spoilers)

Random notes I took while reading:

時に貯蔵庫で縛りつけじわりじわりと嬲り殺し、時に絞り出した血液をバスタブに張る湯にし、
Interesting new vocab: 嬲る、 so to tease is a woman between two men? o_O


More non-kanji practice haha

  • (ううっ。取りつく島もないよお)
    Cool new vocab. 取りつく島もない

Don’t know what’s up with the two beasts. Just got to the point where Bestia killed the second beast. Wild theory: the first one is Mel, the second one is Nellie, who finally found her bro, but he kills her, thinking she’s a beast.

More structured review after finishing the door:

Haha I wasn’t too far off with my theory :))
Was surprised at how much we jumped back and forth in time in this door but I think I managed OK to not be too confused. Though it was definitely misleading (probably on purpose), but I’m not mad, wouldn’t be fun if you could figure out everything. What confused me more though is that I thought that the man being killed looked more like Pauline’s bf than the man killing him.

There is actually a sprite for the merchant just as they enter the mansion! But it’s very brief. That’s what confused me (and why I thought it could be Mel+Nellie, didn’t imagine for a second that it could be Merchant+Pauline), definitely I thought he was Pauline’s bf, also in the scenes where you see the beast killing him.

Another funny thing is that in this VN, the hair and eye color of people seem quite important, in both doors it was very relevant to the plot. I had gotten used to ignore hair color in Japanese media (after seeing so often yellow / pink / green / blue / purple / red, all kind of colors really), I will have to unlearn momentarily that behavior x)

So it was a big surprise for me that Yukimasa was the beast, but as soon as it was shown then I knew that he had (that he would) kill Pauline.
After Yukimasa kills Pauline and starts remembering stuff, I thought he would double-snap when he realized that it’s true that he is a human that just killed a fellow human, and that he would kill the girl with white hair to keep on believing he was a monster.
So I was surprised again that he didn’t.
Then I was also very surprised by the story in his past, I also totally thought that he “just” turned crazy because of shock of the accident followed by the racist assault.

  • では、俺が介錯人をやりましょう。
    New vocab from that section, not sure I’ll ever need it though o_O

Yes I really liked that too haha.
Also in that scene there’s this dialog:

  • も、もうっ……、驚かさないで! ネインチャなんて、誰に教わったの? そんなきざなこと言う人だなんて、思いませんでした! - はは……すまないね。 きょろきょろしている姿が、とても兎にそっくりで。 - もう………。 ネインチャ<うさぎちゃん>なんて、子供に向けて言うものだよ? 私、もう……子供じゃないもの。 - すまなかったって。

Is ネインチャ a reference to something? A cute / childish way to say bunny? Can’t find anything about it.

So in the end, it took me a while to start enjoying this door. Then when Habi agrees to show the house to Pauline, I knew sh*t was about to hit the fan and that it was about to get good :smiley: Really liked that he had a big role in the end too: 「お前はッ――、オレから両親や友達を奪っただけでなく―― 最後の希望すらも取り上げた……ッ!! 」
I also liked that the story ended in the basement. I kind of had forgotten that this was the door we had entered in the house. Will need to keep that in mind for next door!

So in the end I really enjoyed it and can’t wait to find out more in door 3, to see if there are more connections! Speaking of which:

I don’t think it’s something as rational as a descendant. I think she’s something similar to the main maid, she is just there no matter where in space and in time the mansion is. They even have this conversation:
(maid)-あなたのお名前は、何というのかしら。
(white hair girl)-私の名前は………。 私は―――「 」です。
(maid) -そう……、そうですか。 あなたはまた「 」なのですね。

And thanks for the pictures @Starzor , looks great :smiley: such a big difference for the backgrounds, the sea for example. The other pics look more alike.
Also ウミネコ was a fun new vocab for me. Didn’t even connect it with Umineko :laughing:

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Oh I didn’t even notice that, the kanji compositions really are wild sometimes :face_with_raised_eyebrow:

Oh yeah you’re right. Totally missed that!

That is actually a really good point, not thinking from what’s normal and we’re used to today, but trying to think from the point of a person of said era might help us understand some mysteries.

That’s also one that caught my eye O:. Interesting point here, Sengen (ポーリーン’s father) was asking here yukimasa if he is sure to take on that role. From what I’ve heard, if you mess this role up, you might very well need to perform 切腹 yourself, so the responsibility is quite heavy.

Yup, you’re most likely right. I was just also trying to rationalize is somehow, since the actual thing with the beast turned out like it did. So I might just be struggling a bit with what divides the natural and supernatural for now, though that’ll be revealed in time.

Was great reading your thoughts!
Anyway, will keep more backgrounds coming in door 3 :smiley:

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O_O

Probably.. maybe… who knows :smiley: I’ve seen VNs where not everything is 100% explained in the end!

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