Hi there! I got interested in Yojijukugo (四字熟語) which are words or idioms consisting for 4 characters. Idiomatic ones like 海千山千 are pretty difficult to guestsimate what they mean, since usually there is a story involved (see details below): ▶ Summary Non-idiomatic ones ‘make more sense’ if I can say…

[image] akira70000: Non-idiomatic ones ‘make more sense’ if I can say it like that. An example would be 日米関係, which are the Japan–US relations. While I guess you could argue that in the strictest sense of the term these are 四字熟語 in that they’re 熟語 which are comprised of 四字, the term pretty mu…

Yeah, people are going to be a bit thrown off if you say you’re studying 四字熟語 and then come out with 株式会社. If you want to specify any words composed of 4 kanji, then something like 漢字4字からできた熟語 or something would be broader.

It’s interesting that there are practically no true idiom-type 四字熟語 in the list. Perhaps this is partly a result of its origin – you can see the media bias clearly in the way all the newspaper names show up in it. But I think it does show that there’s no strong need to study 四字熟語 specifically differ…

Thanks for your feedback. I consulted a few more sources and cursorily speaking, I feel most make the distinction between idiomatic and non-idiomatic Yojijukugo. But of course I see all y’all’s caveat raising, since arguably the interesting ones are the idiomatic ones. For my grasp, though, what I …

I apologize if it came across as just criticizing the topic. There’s value in seeing what’s out there. [image] akira70000: It’s easy to pull up a list on the internet with 3000 Yojijukugo, but it doesn’t really help me as a student The thing is, if you do that, I doubt such a list would have…

The other important 四字熟語 is 焼肉定食 :slight_smile: (Edit: I have just discovered that Japanese Wikipedia has a long article explaining the 弱肉強食 / 焼肉定食 joke in great detail…)

Makes sense, maybe it was a bit a misinformed idea.

[image] akira70000: I guess I just find frequency lists very helpful guiding my studies and there are none (few?) for Yojijukugo. Yeah, the long lists of Yojijukugo are annoying when I’m not looking for that kind of depth. I posted this Kitsun deck of over 700 narrowed down from the prior lis…

not sure if this has been posted but i use this to check my stats and it also has this cool little section of 四字熟語 [image] [Web App] WaniKani History + Timemachine API And Third-Party Apps Wani Kani History Web App warning This is a third-party script/app and…

I found this too in the meantime. It’s a great functionality. @saraqael is the best!

Yojijukugo (四字熟語) frequencies in top-15000 word media corpus

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Kiryu_Kazuma January 23, 2023, 12:28am 10

not sure if this has been posted but i use this to check my stats and it also has this cool little section of 四字熟語

it was posted by @saraqael

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