What is the best way to use an audiobook to support learning?

I know that the answer to my question depends on one’s learning goals, but I’m interesting in how those of you who have both a book in print and in audio use the two in combination to support your learning, particularly when the book is challenging for you. Recently I’ve been experimenting a little with this.

I tried listening to the audio after fully finishing a book. I’ve tried listening to a portion the day after I’ve read that portion. I’ve tried listening ahead a little. I’ve tried silently reading while listening. I’ve tried a version of shadowing with the text to support me. I haven’t quite figured out what works best. It’s been very humbling to listen to a book after “successfully” finishing it and struggle to understand what I’m hearing.

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My personal opinion is that at the very least, reading along while you listen is not a good use of the two mediums for learning. It’s a lot more comfortable than doing one or the other independently, but that’s because it’s just taking work off your plate. When you would have a chance to use your brain to remember a reading, it’s fed to you through audio and relieves you of the work. When you would have a chance to use your brain to try and recall what some word was when you hear it, you have the big hint of being able to see it written out. It essentially just increases the amount of shortcuts your brain can take. Plus then it goes at its own speed and is a pain to pause and what not.

Do one at a time is my suggestion. Do the one first that you want to practice more. It’s also viable to just not ever read the book and only use it as reference for if you ever get stuck on something in the audio book. This is what I did primarily but it requires a higher level.

If you’re struggling to understand audio after youve read it, I would just keep doing that. Read first and then listen to the audio book after.

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Leaving spare capacity for focusing on what you’re really after: pitch accent.

Jokes aside, I found this method helpful for learning the English pronunciation of unfamiliar vocabulary – such as when reading Shakespeare – so if there is some aspect of pronunciation you’d like to study I wouldn’t discount the simultaneous text/audio approach.

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I don’t know how well it would work with Japanese, but my English listening skills really improved when I started listening to English audiobook version of books I’ve previously read in my native language. My favorite was Harry Potter series (the number of times I’ve listened and relistened to them), but also Ringworld series by Larry Niven and Terry Pratchett’s Discworld.

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If you want to acquire new words, I’d suggest listening to the audiobook while also reading the book book. If the book doesn’t have furigana (which most won’t tbh), then this ought to help you figure out the pronunciation of the words much quicker, which can help you look words up and make connections in your brain. It also helps clear up which reading is used in which situations, especially for stuff like 入る or 〜家. So this is mostly useful if the book is generally above your current level.

If you want to practice the language, read the book alone, then you can optionally listen to the book afterwards. Personally what I did when I had relatively long travels to my workplace was that I read the book while I had my hands free (so on the train or bus or whatever), and listening to the audio book, while I was walking or couldn’t read for whatever reason. This generally worked alright and gave me the chance to etch the story more into my memory, alongside the words that I needed to look up while reading.

If you want to practice your listening skill, of course, listen to the audio book first, then read the book. You can do the same method as above, just in reverse order. This would let you focus on listening first, while also not letting your hand go for parts that you need more time for.

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Excuse me, but “book book” had me cracking up IRL. Otherwise, sound advice, I think. :slight_smile:

Welcome to contrastive focus reduplication

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I’ve actually found it very counter productive to learning new words. Since it feels very much like it’s pushing me along it’s hard to stop and look up new words unless you have your finger on the pause button at all times. I feel much more successful at learning new words when I go through and read at my own pace. Using the ttsu eReader with yomichan means that I can instantly look anything up anyways.

This, I agree with. I can’t think of any examples off the top of my head but there have been times where the audio book cleared up some readings for me.

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Thanks for all the replies!

One related phenomenon that I’m not sure if I should worry about is that, because I can infer some meanings from context and because I can better remember the meanings of kanji than their readings, I find I can sort of read a passage without understanding the sound of many of the words. I started to seek out audiobooks of the book books I have in order to address this - it seemed preferable to doing more look-ups. (My book-books are paperbacks.)

It may be for you personally that is the case and I’m not arguing with your other points and logic on this statement for those purposes.

But actually, research shows reading + listening is a valuable activity and enhances vocab retention. (See p 18 of this guide, there is research to back up all of his statements in this guide). So for the purposes of vocab retention it can be recommended. While the two activities alone might be very challenging, the two activities together, by virtue of making it easier, can be a massive benefit to someone in making the immediate connection between what is seen and what is heard faster and therefore making the learning faster. It’s later when that is too easy for some material that separating the reading and listening to get the extra challenge you mention may be important.

It’s not an either or thing here, people can spend some portion of their time doing any number of activities separate or together. Since OP is talking about books they find challenging, I think this point about listening + reading is relevant to them.

Others mentioned combining reading + listening was helpful. My subjective experience aligned with this strongly as well

having diligently tracked my vocab growth scores with various strategies of reading in the last year, at the earliest stages I also noticed periods when I intensively did reading + listening on Satori - that grew my vocab faster than when I intensively read (no listening) elsewhere. Surely, part of that was that Satori is superior for time efficiency of lookups, but even then, all things being equal, I saw this effect several times and now that I’m reading post-Satori I notice a huge difference in my recall of words I learned with reading+ listening is far superior than words learned in other ways. I think the immediate connection helped a lot. Now, when I encounter those words, if I just pause to internally “listen” it’s like a sentence fragment I previously heard surfaces in my mind and I immediately get the sense of the word. These words that I learned with reading + listening are therefore cemented so much better in my mind than any others because they are wrapped up as a complete package that easily accesses meaning, context and pronunciation. I can only whole-heartedly recommend lots of reading + listening, especially at the beginning stages of reading before its totally fluent.

I don't think I did anything different than what you are already trying, to be honest with reading, then reading + listening and it worked great

The way I dealt with something too challenging to read + listen in one go, or to listen to all of it in one go is to break it down on a day by day basis. Find the passage length that I can do this routine every day: First read it intensively (with lookups), then listen + reading, then repeat. The next day, listen plus read again. If it’s too tough to follow at the native speaker pace: first read (with thinking time), then read + listen. Then do the next passage. At the beginning stage my passage length was about 200 characters, and for about a year I did this in ~400 character chunks on Satori. Eventually I became able to read longer and longer passages per day. Once it got too easy to repeat so much I either went for more challenging reading or I would listen to longer passages further away in time from when I read them.

Eventually, I learned to read more extensively (guessing words, not so many lookups), and then by extension to listening more extensively (without reading or stopping much to do lookups).
My strategy now is that daily engagement with the language is most important, and that is going to happen best if I’m interested. So I’ve let go of the efficiency mindset and I just read and listen for enjoyment, with the one condition that I do it in some form every day.

Your strategy of listening to the audiobooks while reading book to nail down those guessed words/unknown readings sounds great. Maybe just do that every day for six weeks and then try reading something from the start and see if you improved?

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I cant find the relevant research for that guide but perhaps there is an important distinction.

My experience refers to using novels (for adults). Hearing “audiobooks” makes me think of similar big boy books.

For beginner content, it wouldn’t be surprising to me at all if doing both simultaneously helped out. I don’t really have any experience or opinions as far as things like satori reader are concerned.

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I’d start with identifying the bottleneck problem, of whether (1) having seen / heard of too few related vocabularies (2) not knowing vocabularies’ meaning and usage well (3) not noticing vocabularies (4) grammar and sentence structures.

To be honest, some of the problems can mitigate by taking ample time to read rather than quickly listening along. On the opposite side, sometimes reading can be faster than listening on the same page, but the difficulty may vary.

Vocabularies are in large part repetitive after a few chapters. Reading before or after listening may help with noticing the vocabulary while listening, or noticing the proper accent/intonation. And there comes another elusive problem, I don’t distinguish some consonants well.

And then, there is still another method of listening/reading – reciting. Well, this is easier to do with shorter essays. And grammar and structures might improve faster than the more varied vocabularies.

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fwiw I moved on from Satori and feel the same synergistic effect I described for reading and listening to native audiobooks + books. My post was getting long, maybe I deleted that. For sure the most intensive use of these strategies was most helpful at the beginning stage, but I’m finding it still is at the intermediate stage and precisely for what op may want: to easily connect kanji readings to words learned in context.

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