Week 7 葬送のフリーレン ・Frieren 🧝‍♂️ (Beginner Book Club)

[RebBlue]

Also, I don’t think they’re the same flower, but I saw these growing and thought of Frieren.

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Week 8 葬送のフリーレン ・Frieren (Beginner Book Club)

Welcome to Week 8 of 葬送のフリーレン ・Frieren Learn more about the Beginner Book Club here Visit the home page for this manga here Remember to set this thread and the Frieren home page to watching to receive notifications! [image] Week 8 7 June 2024 Start Page 111 End Page 128 Chapters Read Ch 4 Last week Week 7 Next week tbd Home Thread Here Page numbers are the ones printed on the bottom of the pages. These may differ from the numbering in digital versions. Last pa…

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Hi! I am resuming reading

P.95

Why is the おばあさん using の before かしら?

P.104

そうでもない. Why is でも here instead of そうじゃない、そうはない (maybe this last one sounds a little bit off, but I am not familiarized with でも here)

P.106

I just wanted to understand a little bit this sentence, Why there is は in あるとは思っていた, I am used to see this verb like と思っていた. Also まさか、これほどとはね、what is まさか meaning here? I looked it up in the dictionary and the translation confused me, also and more important, I don’t understand the とは at the end of the sencente @_@

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Is it なんて here expressing the incredulness of fern?

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@Fideosconqueso

Why is the おばあさん using の before かしら?

My understanding is that the old lady is using the explication-tone の, since she’s seeking an explanation (check the “の And んですか For Seeking Explanation” in the attached link for more details).

@Fideosconqueso

そうでもない. Why is でも here instead of そうじゃない、そうはない (maybe this last one sounds a little bit off, but I am not familiarized with でも here)

そうじゃない is the colloquial / informal version of そうではない. From BunPro:

I can’t recall if I have ever seen そうはない, but it definitely sound off to me…

そうでもない is the same as そうではない but makes the negation a bit softer. So something like this:

そうではない => that’s not it.
そうでもない => that’s not quite it.

Here’s an example from Stack Exchange explaining the same thing:

Meaning of そうでもない

@Fideosconqueso

Why there is は in あるとは思っていた, I am used to see this verb like と思っていた.

とは is a particle combination that can be used for a variety of things. In this particular case, however, it’s simply と for quoting, and は for the topic marker. あるとは would mean that the thought that they (the flowers) exist, is going to be the topic of her sentence.

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Also まさか、これほどとはね、what is まさか meaning here? I looked it up in the dictionary and the translation confused me, also and more important, I don’t understand the とは at the end of the sencente @_@

Both まさか, and とは here are there to emphasize her surprise. I agree the way dictionaries define まさか can be a bit confusing, so here’s bunpro’s definition:

As it is treated primarily as an adverb, まさか will most often appear at the beginning of a sentence, before some statement about what the speaker is shocked/surprised about.

So まさか can be translated as things like “I never dreamed that…” , "No way that… ", “I’d have never guessed that…” and so on.

とは at the end of the sentence is also used to express surprise. It’s a more formal version of なんて, if that helps make it clearer. It would mean something along the lines of “and to think that…”. Check use case number 3 in this link

So, まさか これほどとはね could be translated as “Incredible, to think that there would be this many (flowers)”

@Fideosconqueso

Is it なんて here expressing the incredulness of fern?

Yep, as mentioned before this is the same as the とは that Frieren used, just more informal.

[Fideosconqueso]

thanks, that was great