@lostonpurpose
I think this needs to be restated, as it seems it could solve most of your problems. With this you could either ditch the vocab entirely, or find the more commonly used words and create your own order while ditching less useful vocab/kanji
Well, these were great responses until this one. Thanks for being rude.
I was responding to EiriMatsu who said wanikani seems to parallel how Japanese schoolchildren are taught kanji. Feel free to call her an idiot. I never said one way or the other.
Gosh, I can ask my family too while we’re at it. We cover all the age ranges.
This seems like a hot topic right now, so it was interesting to stumble upon this when I just started my new lessons for the day. Seems relevant.
I won’t dive too far into the discussion, but personally I do find that having seen 学 several times before in previous lessons with its various other combinations does help me with reinforcing the reading of this new vocab lesson a lot more then having “to learn” (heh, I had to) the other more common vocab variant they mention in the notes with a kanji I’ve never seen before in any of my lessons yet.
Sure, though that requires a script. Not hard, I use that one. I used it to blow through the first few levels of easy kanji, but that resulted in a massive backlog of vocabulary items, and since I DO think the vocab is very useful, often more useful than just the bare kanji, I then had to slog through that. Note - I think they’re useful when the associate kanji is also useful.
My personal opinion is that I really love WaniKani. It teaches kanji in such a way that whenever I learn a new word which contains kanji that it has taught, 9 times out of 10 I already know the reading for that kanji. I actually have a very difficult time learning vocab containing kanji that I haven’t learned through WaniKani yet. WaniKani by the time you reach lvl 60 will teach you over 6000 vocab. Sure a bunch of them you probably won’t use in most conversations, but even if that number is half the total vocab (super unlikely) that’s still ~3000 useful vocab.
This is a great example actually. You’re right in the wanikani does a great job in reinforcing kanji. But 習う is the vastly more useful kanji to know (in my experience), so I don’t get why they didn’t teach it first. That’s all I’m getting at.
One of my favorite songs is covered by 梅里. Now you have seen it!
Man, I’m really surprised by the number of replies. It’s been fun and helpful replying to all of you but I’m heading to work now. Hopefully someday the wanikani crew can make the system more customizeable for people in different situations and with different goals.
I said it’s similar, not parallel. In order to actually understand the construction and remember the later kanji, it’s important to build up from the simple components; that is, the kanji that are stuffed into more complex parts in more difficult kanji. One of the first Japanese words I learned was 憂鬱 long ago. I wasn’t able to competently write or understand it until years later. It’s pedagogically unsound to teach complex kanji before simple kanji, because, while a certain word might not be used, the kanji is. For another example, 里心 might not be used, but 里 and 心 are common kanji and even more common as radicals and kanji components.
How would WaniKani teach a vocabulary item with kanji that you don’t know at that point?
Ummm, even if 習う is a more common word than 学ぶ, I would absolutely say the more common kanji is 学. Maybe it’s because I work in schools, but I see 学 all the time…
Honestly, I wouldn’t mind this as it could only benefit me, but don’t bank on it. The improvement to work put in ratio just isn’t high enough.
Ha ha ha! I have seen 里 once or twice, but じっか is what people use for “hometown”. I haven’t seen 梅里 even in wanikani yet, but thanks!
The meaning is simplified hear, because 学ぶ and 習う have entirely different usages. You’ll hear 勉強する more common than both, yet you learn that later on. Why? Because the kanji is more complex.
Well I assumed you were specifically referring to the kanji 里. うめり is just the name she goes by lol.
I think there are a lot of people like me though, trying to learn the language but not study for JLPT. That’s all!
Teach the kanji first
Im one of them. I think you just gotta understand that WK isn’t meant to be your only study tool. I learn the stuff I dont get on here from reading or spreadsheets, but what I learn on here is by far learned the most efficiently.
