This is getting ridiculous

Thank you for being the one person who seems to understand where I’m coming from. Yes I understand and believe in the wk system but this one instance does seem artificially frustrating.

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I know this is a really unpopular opinion on the forums, but I really don’t like the way wanikani does radicals in general anyway, so sometimes I’ll study their proper name and meaning and use those to create my own mnemonics or I just skip them outright. Some of them are ok, though.

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Then spread the kanji out. As long as you do the last batch before radicals get guru’d, you will still level up in the fastest time. And if you don’t plan to ignore vocab, you will need to keep a high pace of items per day. Many people think they can keep a strict regimen of x/day every day, but most people, at least at some point, fail with that. For me, that point wasn’t until level 55, but it still happened. Do like 10 kanji/10 vocab per day and that will set you at a near-perfect rate.

Understanding where you’re coming from and agreeing with you are two separate things. Just because someone doesn’t agree with you doesn’t mean they are wrong and can’t understand you.

“This is getting ridiculous” - my thoughts precisely :wink:

The reason is that for WaniKani (the way it teaches you, and the way it’s probably implemented in programming code), a kanji is composed exclusively of radicals. And a vocabulary word or sentence is composed exclusively of kanjis. So they can’t teach you a kanji that’s composed of other kanjis: these must become a radical first (to fit in the system).

This also simplifies learning a bit: to know the meaning of a kanji you must only remember radicals, never other kanjis. Well, some kanjis do become radicals later on, but I guess not all of them, so that reduces the search space. (though this is just a consequence of the way it’s implemented, it might not be a real benefit after all)

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Because it’s probably better to learn 憾 as fish stick + feeling than as fish stick + drunkard + creeper + heart.

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If you wanted to learn a new kanji that consisted of man and something else, you don’t want to have to remember 3+ radicals when you can plainly see the 2 combined to make man. Also, at least in the beginning, kanji were organized by minimal number of strokes which means that the man radical must necessarily be taught later as it will be used in higher stroke count kanji and in total is a higher stroke count radical than its 2 component radicals. To skip the radical would be inconsistent with the goal of the SRS and undermine the system.

Also without trying to be rude, if you know the radical already it likely takes more time to post about it than to just answer it and move on.

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First time I’ve quoted myself. Yay for me! (I guess :thinking:)

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@Lowrey really said it well when explaining why this actually works when the kanji gets more and more complex. Putting two/three radicals together to form a bigger radical makes it easier to remember in kanji. But for this to work you need to know it well, which is why it’s a bad idea to include composite radicals-based-on-kanji from the start.

Anyway, is this really a problem though? I don’t know what the stats are, but from what I can remember from level 10-20 the first batch never gave you 80+% of the kanji. If it’s something like first batch 25 kanji + second batch 7 kanji, then one kanji wouldn’t make much difference. And imo it makes the work load quite balanced when you consider the vocab. Say the first batch is 70% of the kanji, then it lets you do 70% of the level’s vocab before you level up. If the kanji had been split 50-50 then you’d have a lot of vocab to do right after levelling up, and that would be quite annoying at least to me (since I like to focus on doing the new kanji when I level up).

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I actually don’t think you’ll go that much faster. I’m at level 10 and just got the 曲 and 買 radicals, which were previously introduced as a kanji. But those are the only radicals I got that are also a kanji. And since I need 90% of the radicals to continue leveling up, just those radicals won’t make me level up faster. Maybe I could have learned some other radical with that time, though. But the way I see it, I’m actually happy that I have to learn (just a little) less :-P. It’s like a small bonus, a small relief from all the hard work. Similar to when you learn a vocabulary that has the same meaning and reading as a kanji. It reinforces that learning. I also compare it to a video game level that’s rather easy after a quite difficult one, to give you a small breath.

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Yes, and that would be fine for OP. Except it’s not their situation.
I’m not going to reply individually to all the previous people missing the point, but OP, from what they said, are fine with 男 being a radical.

The problem is that it’s blocking them from having a 3.5days level. Agreed, not everyone want that, but they do. Which also means that they had guru’d most of the kanjis (like 87% or something) in the first batch, and now have a very light workload for the next 3.5 days.

Agreed again, some people (like you apparently) like a break. But others do not want a break. I don’t feel telling them to just kick back and enjoy is going to make them fill better (or less angry at the system).

The correct answer was “yeah, that radical should have been moved one level back”

The radicals on this site are not even real. Just change them to something that helps you remember better.

I mean thats technically true, but “real” to what? They’re certainly real to wanikani and the way this website teaches you and structures every kanji composition. If you were to change the Hat radical to uhh Bed Sheet, literally none of the mnemonics wanikani has made for every kanji going forward will make any sense. and for each kanji you’ll have to make up your own mnemonic and then whats the point of paying for a service that does it for you?

I meant there is no reason to stress over parsing the radicals here because they are arbitrary pieces to remember kanji. Call them what you want, change the meanings if it helps you level up or remember things easier. Wanikani’s radicals are real to the site…but since they are by no means official they aren’t worth taking time to remember if you don’t want to…

(Personally I didn’t use the mnemonics on this site. I just liked the SRS flashcard like feature and the level up system to mark progress). But for sure people who look at all the kanji and think like, little stool pirate should probably try to keep up with the ones the site gives you.

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How do you do a level in 3.5 days? That’s impossible.

I always see this:

  • you unblock a level, new radicals appear
  • you guru the radicals (for that, about 3.5 days have to pass) and then you need to guru the kanjis, which take around 3.5 days

So I can’t see how you could save some days…

Unless there’s a mistake in my reasoning, but reading other posts it seems the minimum number of days per level is about 6~7 days.

I did it about 15 times. That’s how many levels have few enough radicals to make it possible.

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Ah, I see the problem.

Your reasoning only holds for lower levels.
As long as you get enough kanjis at first (>90% of the total for that level), you can guru all radicals + enough kanjis to level up in 3.5~4 days. Those are called (informally) fast levels. Pretty much all levels after 40 are fast levels.

OP is complaining that their level could have been fast, but isn’t, for no specific reason.

EDIT: DAMMIT @Leebo (I mean, it’s NOT a race, I know, BUT STILL :stuck_out_tongue:)

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Absolutely agree.

In fact, kanjis that are radicals, in my humble opinion, should use the main meaning of the kanji instead,not a new one. Using two or three is annoying.

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