[Suggestion] An alternate method to punish wrong answers

[Eloeri]

Oh god, no.

[Eloeri]

Yeah, this post was mainly born from me getting something very simple wrong, and getting upset at the lost SRS levels. Maybe I should just get those second chance scripts.

[Mike_Nekoski]

This issue is basically just point #4 from this post.

You can be reasonably lenient with yourself in WK reviews and still hold yourself accountable for EN>JP reviews in an external tool. KameSame let’s you automatically import your WK items as you learn them. I’d be considered a borderline script abuser with my WK review process but I require myself to write out answers by hand in KameSame and verbally give the correct reading before submitting. If I mess anything up I manually fail myself. This system seems to be working great for me.

[Mrs_Diss]

what helps me is to not think of it as a punishment. the SRS is infinitely patient with you. it just sees that you might need to review this item a few more times ^^

[Eloeri]

This is the beauty of SRS. I always feel this way when getting grammar wrong. But for some reason, anytime I get something I know wrong in WK, it just cuts deep into my soul.

[alo]

Yeah I believe they also let you have the item come up again later in the review with no penalty. This may be what you’re looking for.

[sporadic]

@Eloeri

This is the beauty of SRS. I always feel this way when getting grammar wrong. But for some reason, anytime I get something I know wrong in WK, it just cuts deep into my soul.

It really is all psychological, isn’t it? It’s not punishment for getting it wrong. It’s saying “Ok, you’re not quite clear on that one, yet. Let’s go over it one more time”. It’s immensely frustrating when you’re thinking “But I really did know it!” I think that’s why most SRS programs have more than a pass/fail system, to give you the chance to save face. WK doesn’t give you that.

But the way I look at it, if I mess it up, it’s not really a big cost. And I’d rather pay that cost here than when I’m doing something else, like reading a book or watching a movie, so I’m ok with it.

Ok… no I’m not, but I tell myself I am so I don’t destroy my monitor. Again.

As for the original suggestion, beyond what other people have said, I don’t like it because there’s so many other ways to get the information beyond looking at the info on WK. I mean, I can open another browser tab to Jisho, or on my phone, and be done with it. It opens up new avenues for people to be dishonest with themselves.

Beyond that, it adds complexity to an already complex process. It’s already hard for a lot of people to understand the SRS system as is. WK keeps it a simple pass/fail for a reason. A lot of people use plugins with Anki to eliminate the different tiers of ‘pass’ that come by default to keep it simple. Having both a ‘wrong’ and a ‘wrong, but…’ option would lead to a lot of confusion.

[Eloeri]

I agree with a lot of your points. If people want to cheat, they’re going to cheat regardless. Thanks for your input.

[theghostofdenzo]

@Mrs_Diss

what helps me is to not think of it as a punishment.

I mean it’s not punishment, was never intended as punishment and shouldn’t be thought of as such anyway…it’s just rescheduling with a shorter interval to give you a chance to remember on your next review

I guess some people viewing it as a punishment is unavoidable when you gamify things though…

[ekg]

@prouleau

There is no way to pause an item and proceed to the next one.

There is a script that lets you do exactly that: Wanikani Later Crabigator. ^>^

What do you want now? (Request extensions here)

This is a third-party script/app and is not created by the WaniKani team. By using this, you understand that it can stop working at any time or be discontinued indefinitely. I don’t know of such a script, so I created one for you: WaniKani Later Crabigator It adds a button “Later” to the right of the input box, which allows you to push the current review item to the end of the queue. It will reappear within the last 10 reviews. It probably won’t work if you use other reordering sc…

[prouleau]

@Eloeri

I mean for the item to still be counted as wrong, just not drop an entire SRS level if you don’t need to take a look at the info.

@Leebo

You can kind of already achieve this by just leaving an item alone after you get it wrong. After 2 hours without being completed, an item resets its status.

@ekg

@prouleau

There is no way to pause an item and proceed to the next one.

There is a script that lets you do exactly that: Wanikani Later Crabigator . ^>^

I think there is a conflict between what OP wants to achieve and the proposition of @Leebo augmented with @ekg remark. Letting an item reset doesn’t mark it wrong. It just leaves the review unresolved. There will be no SRS delay due to the item being marked wrong. The item will be asked again in the next review session.

[Eloeri]

I think just getting the undo script would be what I’m looking for, as what I originally wanted seem so have some unintended consequences. Thanks for your input!

[mgrice]

@Eloeri

anytime I get something I know wrong in WK

Doesn’t the fact that you did indeed get it wrong imply that you did not in fact know it (or know it as well as you think you do)? Or are you talking about making a typo?

[Eloeri]

Typos or simple mistakes. My fingers often do things my brain doesn’t tell them, so I know the answer, but I get it wrong, I go “what the heck?” and see that I typed something wrong. It’s especially frustrating when I type the wrong characters on verbs where like instead of "落ちる” I type "落ちろ”

I’ve even so much as literally said the right answer as I’m typing it, but I’ve typed the wrong thing.

[mgrice]

I can relate. The る/ろ typo I do sometimes. Although for that one I do often have trouble with remembering which it is as well. The biggest “I always type it wrong” - i.e. I am thinking and saying the correct thing but type the wrong thing is ざい when I wanted/intended さい.