Satori Reader appreciation thread

A really useful way of thinking about it!

You’re right, we outgrow these things quickly, it’s really surprising how quickly.

I really like your comparison of monthly cost. Now I can see into the future where my money will go when I move on :slight_smile: … that is, after I work my way through all the free stuff I’m hoarding on Bookwalker! I had been kinda worried, once I read faster if that won’t get expensive, but basically you’re pointing out if I read a novel a month I’m just shifting my spending from Satori to that.

Finally, I’ve been waiting for someone to notice! I can’t quite get a joke right either, but it still cracks me up looking at it on here​:joy:

Keeping beginners on their toes. I like your style.

Yusss, approved by javerend!

Re: the cost, I think the strategy of reading a bunch in a few months and ending the subscription is probably what most people will go for. Right now I’m keeping my subscription for the intensive benefit that mitrac mentioned of checking the grammar glosses. I also can see it being very useful for practicing listening, since the stories are easier, so may consider using it for that in the future. But yeah, already at my point a lot of the stories feel easier, and the content of the stories is not as interesting to me as stuff I can choose by myself.

Oh, and I don’t use the SRS at all. Mitrac’s method of 3-5 cards a day is probably the most sustainable for Satori, though.

Which of these resources have:

  • text with the corresponding audio recording
  • meaning of the words (not the dictionary meaning that you get with say yomichan/rikaikun, but the actual meaning in the particular context)
  • grammar explanations and idiomatic explanations throughout the text as needed so you can understand the text.
  • qualified staff, not just a forum user, who gives explanations to anything that you don’t understand in the text

And how many Satori Reader subscribers can read the 朝日新聞? I for sure can’t.

yet!

I think you might’ve missed the point of including that price comparison, just that the fee is pretty steep compared to resources which (eventually) can provide significantly more content. Saying nothing bad about the quality and usefulness of satori, but if you have a tighter budget, satori is definitely not as much bang for your buck as buying easy manga on bookwalker sales.

Again, the goal of something like satori is to progress you to the point where you no longer need most of those listed benefits, and that will probably happen a lot quicker than you think using a tool as good as satori is!

But if you monthly budget is between, say… wanikani and satori, as a long time proponent of reading, I’m definitely gonna be more inclined to recommend satori

Just updated the stats for the chapters released on SR since the last update and also updated it to take into account the new kanji that have been added to Wanikani since the original post.

I’d been meaning to do this since my thread got re-discovered last week but didn’t get around to it until now. Better late than never, I guess.

Wasn’t sure if anyone cares about this, but recently there was a discussion on the Satori forums about when the various series were created. So I thought it might be nice to clean that up and put here.

On the forums, the user who brought this up was interested in reading the oldest stuff first because there would be the most comments accrued (where you can learn a lot) - an interesting idea. I would still personally choose based on interest, especially when your reading pace is slower, but everyone is different!

Here are the Satori series roughly in order of creation start date. Sometimes they go back and add episodes, so that could still happen. This isn’t official information per se, the older dates were compiled by a user and the newer ones were listed by the developer.

From a user:

  • 2015-2017 (but some got episodes until 2021 with potential to get more in the future) there were: Akiko’s, Kona 1, Sakura&Suzuki, The Neighbor, My Sweetie is Japanese, News, Streetside Interviews, Dialogs
  • 2018-2019 Secret, Koibito, River Sanzu, Closeup: Obon Society
  • Hole in the Wall (2018-2020)
  • Human Japanese (2017-2020)
  • Human Japanese intermediate (2020)
  • Meditation (2020)

From the developer (starting date, some series still being produced):

  • Kiki-Mimi Radio (November 2020)
  • Nutshell Grammar (January 2021)
  • Closeup: Oumu Shinri Kyou (January 2021)
  • Kona II: The Journey I Live (May 2021)
  • Fujiki Consulting Services (November 2021)
  • The Jam-Maker (March 2022)
  • John and Friends in Tokyo (October 2022)
  • The Wedding of the Fox (December 2022)
  • Trees of Happiness (August 2023)

Interesting!
I do think the grammar notes got better with time, sometimes not the content necessarily but just the formatting, not that I would see it as reason enough to not read an older story!

Nice. I just had another case where the kanji for a lesson I did today on WK showed up in my daily reading on Satori Reader. In this case, it was the lesson for 受 and the sentence I came across that uses it is:

昨日、注射ちゅうしゃを受けました。そして、ねつは下がりました。

I think it’s hard to overstate just how much I’m enjoying what Satori Reader has on offer!

So I was totally considering ignoring those “stories”:

Really glad I didn’t. I just finished Dialogs: Train Station and enjoyed it a lot. Each episode was its own story, of course not with a complex plot line but it is nice to get a bit of dialog practice and new vocabulary!
Feels also refreshing after reading a long story of 50+ episodes to have something of this format. So now will move on to a long story, and read another dialog afterwards.

That’s a great idea! I used to explore them alongside a narrative story when I was still in my way early days, and then after I could read smoothly enough I zoomed on ahead with the narrative stories and kind of forgot about these.

What I did cover in the Restaurant series (I did the first 10 or so) I still remember and I’m so glad I covered especially the keigo even superficially because it comes up all the time - people say you don’t need it but any fictional or real life visit to a restaurant, train station, etc, would be really confusing without knowing all this parallel vocab.

Hmmm… so maybe I’ll try what you said or I’ll pick them back up again on the side…

By the way, I’m almost done with Akiko - I think actually somewhere last year I saw you say you liked it and that motivated me to go back and do it before moving on to the content rated harder. I’m so glad I did!

Yeah I considered Satori and tried some of the free chapters but I found the price a little too steep to justify getting a full subscription. Especially since I found the stories less interesting and rewarding to read than “real” Japanese content. The stories were decent mind you, but the ones I tried had this “textbook” vibe I couldn’t quite shake where it’s pretty clear that some of the sentences are here specifically to showcase some vocab or grammar and not for literary value.

Years ago when I started studying Russian I had a subscription to LingQ, which I also found overpriced, but at least I was free to load any content I wanted and users would contribute all sorts of contents.

Nice! I definitely enjoyed that series more and more as it went!

It’s definitely not for everyone, content wise, and if you’re at the level to notice that some formulations have been simplified your Japanese level is well beyond their target audience. Which is great for you!

The value in Satori is way different than Linq. Satori has native professional voice acting and translations by word, phrase and sentence level all by hand, not automated.

Yeah absolutely, my idea was half-baked in my previous comment. What I had in mind is that it would be easier for me to justify paying for Satori if, on top of the high quality first party narrated/edited/annotated content, they allowed the framework to be reused for user-submitted entries like LingQ does.

Imagine if the book clubs on the WaniKani forums could leverage something like Satori to crowdsource notes and explanations for popular media. Of course you’d have to provide the material for copyrighted content, but I still think it could be extremely useful if well implemented.

That’s a cool concept! Your idea could help Satori Reader break into the upper intermediate/advanced learner market. Beginners work through Human Japanese (and Human Japanese Intermediate). Intermediate users would start out with Satori’s own original stories and work their way up to native material after reaching an upper intermediate/advanced level.

For learners reading native content, Satori Reader could be the Amazon Kindle Unlimited/Audible Plus of Japanese books, providing easy access to popular books and audiobooks for learners outside of Japan (without the hurdles of VPNs, providing random addresses to Amazon, non-Japanese credit cards, etc.). A combination of user and Satori annotations for this content would make the resource invaluable.

Ah such an amazing idea, I see what you mean, applying the tech to collaborative use would be so fun!

I just finished Akiko, and so at long last I decided to write reviews for everything I’ve read on Satori so far. It turns out to be a lot…

General notes
  • I love the voice acting and most of the sound effects.
  • It normally takes me about 5-10 episodes to get properly hooked onto a series. I’ll make a note of the series that have a quicker pace, as I know some people prefer that. For me personally, I don’t mind a slower pace from the start, because I find in the end I have a much stronger connection to the story that keeps me going. I’ll put the episodes where the story really picks up pace (if that is relevant) behind spoilers.
  • These are all non-spoiler reviews, and I’ve tried to focus on my overall impressions. I gave stars (of 5) for entertainment value, and grouped them a bit

Best starter series:

Kiki Mimi Radio

“A chance discovery of a curious radio leads to unexpected consequences”
5 stars

At 27 episodes, this is an achievable story for a first read and has a good pace right from the start. There is a lot of daily life and especially outdoors vocabulary. This is mostly lighthearted and fun, although there is a central drama as you go on an adventure of discovery with the MC. This is based on a fairy tale with a bit of fantasy (it’s quite different, though), and in the last Satori episode there is a link to an animated version which you’ll probably be able to enjoy after all the vocab you learn through this story. I haven’t tried the harder edition yet, so can’t comment on how much of a jump that is from the easier version. This series was a big part of getting me able to read longer prose sentences (enabling me to start reading books for children).

Sakura and Suzuki's Long Distance Relationship

“When Suzuki’s work suddenly takes him to Okinawa, his budding relationship with Sakura is tested.”
3-4 stars

43 episodes. Where it shines: this is a series of text messages between Sakura and Suzuki, so I found this absolutely fantastic for getting to grips with short forms and casual speech, dropped particles, etc. This series enabled me to get into reading native manga, which was a pretty big breakthrough for me. The pace was a bit slow throughout, I thought, and you’ll like it best if you enjoy the romance genre (which I’m not a big fan of). To be completely honest, I wasn’t wild about it, although after about 20 episodes - I did get into it and want to figure out how it would end, lol. It was my first finished series on Satori and won my heart.

Other easier stories

The Jam Maker

“Satoko lives a quiet life, enjoying her garden and boutique jam-making operation. […] But an encounter with a neighbor boy one day begins to change both of their lives in ways big and small.”
5 stars

60 episodes. This is a lovely story and had a good balance between character development and story. Very much daily life vocabulary. Although the story does move forward a bit at the start, much of the first 15 episodes is scene setting. It’s after this that the story moves forward at a good pace. So if that bothers you, perhaps go at those first episodes more extensively and then slow down from #16 or so. From there, it’s a fantastic story and well worth the read.

Akiko's American Foreign Exchange

“When fresh-faced Akiko arrives in Seattle on a foreign exchange, she has no idea the twists and turns that await her.”
4 stars

133 episodes. 100% daily life vocabulary. These are diary entries, so a bit more conversational, but due to quoting and story telling, it has a broad range of speech patterns, from casual to polite. It really is like reading someone’s diary, so that means the pacing is necessarily a bit slow/uneven. And being very grounded in the real world and mimicing real life events, isn’t a thriller. BUT - if you love Satori you will love this story, or if you want to see American exchange experience through the eyes of a Japanese person. Therefore, in my opinion, read the stories you’re most interested in on Satori first, if it’s not this. And if after that you want more, then definitely read this story while your subscription is active - by then you’ll be able to read it at a quicker pace of 2-3 episodes a day, and at that pace it’s enjoyable. There are some cool surprises, and there were some events that I really identified with the author and it was nice to process those emotions with this story. I stuck with it because others spoke well of it - and am glad I did.
The easier version is very approachable/easy. The harder version is much harder - I’d say it even rivals the difficulty of the “harder” series on Satori.

Intermediate stories

Oku Nikkou (**My favourite**)

“What secrets await deep in the beautiful and mysterious mountains of Inner Nikkou? Yuuta spends his summers at a hot spring hotel run by his grandparents in an idyllic mountain setting. But an emergency early one summer reveals a truth that Yuuta could have never imagined.”
5 stars

62 episodes. This is my absolute favourite on Satori! It’s an amazing story, very well written and from the heart. It gives an excellent feeling of being deep in the mountains somewhere in Japan. Despite the fantasy elements, it’s all daily life vocabulary and settings. I found it very easy to get wrapped up in the story. Although the first 10-15 episodes cover a lot of background, that is offset by the window it opens to a great setting and some fascinating cultural elements. The pace of the story picks up between episodes 15-20 to where I didn’t want to put it down, but I also never wanted it to end.

Kona's Big Adventure I

What happens when a house cat goes on the adventure of a lifetime outside of the borders of his home?
5 stars

45 episodes. Great adventure story with incredible voice acting. It must be said that Satori has wonderful professional voice acting. The newest series have multiple actors and sound effects. This series is unique - you can see what one actor can accomplish, and it is breathtaking. It wasn’t until halfway through that I was like, wait! This is just one guy! Thank you Shun Eguchi (江口 瞬)

The introduction/first episodes didn’t capture my attention much - but again, because some people I know on WK highly recommended this story I stuck with it. Once Kona’s Big Adventure starts in earnest from episodes 15-20, I was hooked. I loved it!
I felt like the difficulty was variable, with some episodes on the easier end of Satori content, and others just a bit tougher. It sits well in their intermediate range, but is among the easier ones there.

The River Sanzu

“A woman’s ordinary life is turned upside down by an unexpected event. As she stands at a precipice between two worlds, she contemplates family, love, and roads not taken.”
3 stars

20 episodes. It’s well written, I just didn’t really like the central drama/premise because that was a bit raw. I put a content warning in the home post, although to be fair, I never read those myself as I don’t want to spoil something. I still finished it and appreciated the story. But there wasn’t much I could identify with the MC, and given I didn’t enjoy the premise, it was a bit of a struggle. I think given the title, the story description, and the foreshadowing in the first episodes, it’s easy to predict where the story is headed, so decide for yourself if that’s for you or not. If you want to skip the most unpleasant episode, then at least skip or choose the version without sound effects for episode 6.

Harder stories

Fujiki Consulting Services

Added 25 Feb 2024
I got almost halfway and then didn’t finish. The story gets quite dark. If you like fantasy horror vibes, maybe then it’s OK? Just not for me and from the description on the series and other series I read I was totally not expecting this. That was disappointing because there were several aspects I loved: great intro, definitely harder than the easier/ intermediate content by a margin, and use of more complex story telling devices that I’ve seen in the wild but not yet on Satori.

The Wedding of the Fox

Added July 2024

This is the second Fujiki story but you don’t have to have read that one. There are also heavy revenge violence themes but it didn’t bother me to the extent as the previous series.

This series just didn’t hold my attention and the ending felt repetitive (ep 65-78 felt redundant to me), but at the point I read it, I was ready to move on from Satori. So I think this probably could have been more enjoyable if I had still been at the sweet spot of learning from Satori.
3 stars.

Some pros - I noticed more advanced grammar and story telling devices than in the intermediate level stories.

Other

Grammar Series: Human Japanese Extra Credit, Intermediate, and Nutshell Grammar

My foundation was Genki I (I did all exercises). In an ideal world, I wanted to do all the Genki II exercises but I just couldn’t motivate myself to do that for Genki II.

These lessons on Satori are great and filled in that gap and more for me. I’ve learned most of the N4-N3+ grammar I know through Satori simply because of how easy it is to keep going! I don’t have any ambitions to do the JLPT, so I can’t speak to coverage, but in terms of understanding native material, Satori’s grammar glosses and these formal lessons were more than sufficient to get me reading. I went from difficulty parsing sentences to just needing vocab lookups. Grammar and sentence parsing isn’t a stumbling block for me at all and I can definitely thank Satori for that.

I think Satori’s grammar explanations are probably best when you’re reading daily alongside it (both in and out of Satori) and getting exposed to grammar a lot. This is because the style of grammar on Satori (at least past the very beginner grammar) is often to compare and contrast. For example, for a given grammar point - what are similar grammar points? Like comparing そう, らしい, and ような. Or the different grammar points that use そう. Genki doesn’t take that approach for the most part, because it is genuinely confusing to learn similar lexical sets at the same time. On the other hand, if you have already encountered these points in reading, then Satori’s groupings are a godsend.

Meditation

Wonderful!!! I’ve done the first 3. I find it’s similar to an MBSR (Mindfulness Based Stress Reduction) style, in that it guides very simple breath awareness techniques that often lead to stimulating relaxation responses. Before I had more effective SRS strategies, I SRSed all unknown words in the first 1-2 meditation episodes and my domain knowledge was so good even before I could read comfortably I could follow random Japanese meditation videos on YouTube. So I’d say this series gives you excellent coverage of vocab needed to branch further into this in Japanese.

Dialogs series

These are great, just not as engaging as the narrative stories. I plan to read/listen intensively before an eventual trip to Japan. From what little I’ve done, though, I would say it was really really helpful to understand some of the keigo that you’ll hear and read in situations like restaurants, etc. It’s good vocabulary to be aware of, so early on it’s worth fighting through a few just to pick up some of those basics.

Streetside Interviews and News

I didn’t particularly enjoy these. I think it’s worth flicking through if there is a topic you might want to have some targeted vocab for and reading those. But otherwise, it’s not very engaging. I’d rather read NHK News Easy. I think Satori realised this as well and they moved away from this format of article. That being said, if you struggle with reading easy news then maybe start here.

I’ve just finished Sakura and Suzuki, my second series on Satori Reader :tada:
I enjoyed it a lot, more than Kiki-Mimi Radio, I think.
Soon, I’ll be able to write my own reviews post ^^

Yay, congrats! There’s no reason to wait, you can always edit it later to add more and write a nudge post linking back up to it, if that makes sense. However you like!