Nevermind, Sorry

[amagi]

Talk amongst yourself.

[jprspereira]

@oryantge

it’s that it’s totally unnecessary for い adjectives

No, you can’t use it with い adjectives. That’s the rule. It’s not that with だ it’s unnecessary. It’s wrong. What Bunpro means to say is that unlike だ (which can only be used with な adjectives), です can be used with both.

[amagi]

Nevermind. Nevermind.

[theghostofdenzo]

I don’t get your point - for a start, one is implied by the other anyway, and besides, Bunpro is not a grammar textbook…I think it’s unreasonable to expect this kind of in depth explanation from it.

[anon54313967]

Most people probably don’t have that much knowledge when starting Bunpro?

[zyoeru]

How is it wrong? Where is the supposed confusion?

It says です can be used with adjectives and nominal adjectives, which is correct, unlike だ which is also correct.

I think you’re reading into the explanation things that aren’t there.

Also

@oryantge

What I meant is the bunpro says that you can’t use da with i adjectives, as if you would want to, but what it should focus on is that you don’t need to!

It doesn’t need to focus on “You don’t だ because of XYZ” because saying you can’t use だ with adjectives is sufficient and more correct. Saying you don’t need to use だ actually indicates you could if you wanted to whereas can’t use だ is makes it more clear you can’t use だ even if you wanted to use it.

@oryantge

and if you understood です, you would understand that it is not JUST the polite form of だ. It’s a separate beast entirely and when added to い adjective it’s has almost no meaning at all.

Again you’re wrong because です IS the polite form of the copula だ regardless of what Tae Kim says. Just because its function as the copula is redundant with adjectives doesn’t make it suddenly not the polite form of the copula. It is not as you say a separate beast, it is the polite form of だ.

[FlamySerpent]

@oryantge

What I meant is the bunpro says that you can’t use da with i adjectives, as if you would want to, but what it should focus on is that you don’t need to!

The only thing that BP says is that だ means “to be/is” and です, which you learn immediately after, means “to be/is”. They are not implying anything and people need to distinguish between those somehow. Those in-depth explanations are probably gonna be too much at the very first grammar point xD

[amagi]

You probably right… This is just a lengthy problem I have with the whole structure of Japanese learning.

[M4tthi4s91]

As much as I like and respect Cure Dolly, at the end of the day it does not matter if you remember that “i adjectives” include the copula and です is just a polite decoration or you remember it any other way.

Nothing wrong about the explanation.

[doncr]

@oryantge

I’m also mad that they site Cure Dolly as saying the は is the non logical particle but don’t explain again about が and how it is the logical particle with the zero が in every sentence.

The problem with teaching は and が is that both particles are used for quite a few different purposes and so any simple explanation of them will not do them justice.

You’re expecting too much from a tool like Bunpro.

[DaisukeJigen]

Bunpro shouldn’t explain things because people should already know? A learning too is terrible because it’s explaining things that some people might not yet know?
Are you trying to humble brag about how good you are at Japanese? That Bunpro is beneath you?

[amagi]

Nevermind, bye, y’all win.

I’m expecting too much. I don’t have to be told the same thing 10 times. I get it.

[IgorTheGreat]

@oryantge

Talk amongst yourself.

Soo…who likes fruit punch?

[zyoeru]

There’s not enough rum in that punch.

[IgorTheGreat]

Well…In that case…

[zyoeru]

Mmmm much better!

[JenK]

Closing the thread as requested. Looks like the thread has run its course as well.