My reviews usually end in 60-80%

Update; I took more time to think than I normally do on the reviews

I got 95%

Maybe I’m just rushing

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I’m impressed by your Japanese handwriting. When I write in Japanese, I usually can’t recognize it afterwards, while I can read yours perfectly fine.

I should really practice handwriting as well.

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Maybe you are just going through WaniKani to fast and need to slow down a bit.

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Something that helped me immensely was consuming more material outside WaniKani. I always used to have problems with things like きょ/きょう, renadku, usuage of small つ’s and the like, now I just got used to those “secret” rules.

I just know now when a word is likely to use any of the above mentioned methods, all thanks to reading more. Yes, reading, not watching subbed anime. :wink:

Also, if you haven’t already, start studying grammar, sites like BunPro should help you remarkably with your issues. 1. You’ll read a lot of example sentence for the grammar you’re studying and 2. Your brain will eventually make the connection. Brush up on your grammar so that you can read, then READ.

Reading is so ridiculously useful when learning a language and I’m quite certain that it will help you quite a bit in your Japanese journey, the beginning is difficult but it WILL get easier.

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Wanikani doesn’t train writing at all. I wouldn’t take that as a bad sign for your memory. When I was practicing writing regularly I could do it but now that I’m just focusing on reading I can’t write any of the new Kanji I learn.

When I get stuck it usually means I need to start doing the reviews more often. Like, right when they pop whenever possible. The extra exposure usually does the trick.

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For me the great majority of mistakes in reviews are indeed typos. For that you either use a script (i.e. [Userscript] Wanikani Override ("ignore answer button")) or you simply slow down and make sure to double check your input before submitting it.

Local Ice Climbers who reach the summit of level 60 usually share here their story with WaniKani, so you can see how they did handle the humongous number of incoming lessons and reviews.

I am nothing more than a beginner, but when it comes to mistakes that are not typos here what does the trick for me:

  • if the mnemonic for a specific kanji doesn’t help you, try to make your own mnemonics. I find this particularly helpful when english is not your primary language;
  • if this does not help either, use one of the example sentences as a reference, a title of a manga/anime you know ecc… this helps me when I get a kanji wrong so many times that I always get used to input the wrong answer (i.e. you see 三月 and you still are 50% unsure if it is さんがつ or さんげつ);
  • if you mistake a kanji for some other kanji write both down many times, by doing so you’ll point out more easily in what the two differ; be sure to write them down with the proper stroke order.
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Whenever I hit a rough patch in terms of accuracy I have two approaches:

  1. Do the reviews more often. As soon as they show up and it’s possible to do them, hammer them out. Don’t worry about getting them wrong, since you’ll just keep seeing them and get more familiarity.

  2. Start writing. For me, writing down everything slows down reviews a ton, but really helps solidify everything much faster.

Don’t worry about your numbers too much, just keep at it. My level up reviews tend to be around 70-80% overall, but more like 30-50% when it comes to the new kanji. General rule of thumb is that I’ve got to botch them about 3-4 times each before the retention jumps a bunch.

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Maybe you’re going too fast ? I’m like a snail when I go through new lessons, I take around 1-2 minutes per word (sometimes more for brand new ones, sometimes less for easy ones). I repeat everything a few times in my head, and pay special attention to the mnemonics. They’re all really stupid, but they work really well. I don’t just read them, I imagine them, react to them, form new ideas around them so that they can stick longer.

Then, when I’m done with lessons, especially big ones like 50+ new items (yesterday was 150 … that was hard), I go back to each one in the summary and force myself to remember them. Usually I’ll have forgotten around 10-20%, so I think double checking is useful for me.

I double-check what I got wrong after reviews, analyze why I got it wrong (usually it’s either that I got too cocky and reckless or that the mnemonic didn’t work for me), and repeat everything in my head, especially mnemonics or if it’s not good enough for me I make my own. Like I had trouble with 主人 (nin and jin are really annoying to me), so I thought “okay shunin sounds too much like shounen so it’s a no-go - a boy can’t be head of household !”. It’s stupid but it works. Mnemonics are really overpowered.

Exceptions like 太字 are the hardest for me now. And stuff like nin/jin. 村人 人気 万人 主人 those types of exceptions haven’t really had any mnemonic apart from “oh yeah … you just have to remember that this one’s nin, good luck”. Maybe this could be improved, but in the meantime the best you can do is recognize what’s going to be difficult to remember and spend extra efforts on them ideally before you fail 3 reviews in a row (so that your progress isn’t slowed too much).

Edit : my stats show 98-99% accuracy total with the lowest being 96.78% reading for vocab. I usually end reviews with 97+% so that sounds about right.

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If you get something wrong because you couldn’t recall any of the right answer at all, it means you need to go back to the basics with that item. Do some drilling with it immediately after the WK review session, on paper or something. Try to repeat the mnemonic (or whatever method you’re using to recall it) a few times within the hour or so after the session ends. Look at example sentences. I know that if you made a lot of mistakes there’s going to be a temptation to skimp on this, but anything you don’t drill down on is just going to stay in the same place, pretty much.

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Hi! I am rather new to WK but I come from years of Japanese study and had almoat finished RTK a few years ago. I find Wk outstanding but WK doesn’t work for everybody in the same way. I think you should spend more time on the mnemonics, picturing vivid images in your mind. It’s a completely shift of paradigm from how we studied all our life, mostly plain repetition, but is closer to how our mind really works. It takes time adjusting to it and Wk doesn’t really guide you through it too well (it could be improved). Try using YOUR mnemonics as some suggested.

Also i don’t believe that outside study harms WK as long as it uses the same method or doesn’t interfere with thw mnemonics. I really find helpful the WK speed app although I recommend not using it too close to reviews. Ganbatte ne! :smiley:

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60-80% isn’t all that bad as long as you aren’t learning new lessons too quickly. Set yourself a limit on how many apprentice words you have at any time (100 for example). If you have more than that, then no more new lessons. Once you get below that number, then you can learn new things. A key point for success using WaniKani is to not learn too fast. Study ten words and you’ll probably remember 8. Study 50 words and you might not remember any.

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It might be that you have a lot of leeches. When I got to level 20, I started getting worse accuracy and I installed the leech training script - it really helped me out! Other than paying more attention to the items you get wrong, don’t get too discouraged. Easier said than done (I’m quite a perfectionist myself), but the main goal should be that you’re learning :slight_smile:

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yeah I think

(Yeah, I promise I read more instead of watching subbed anime, I never really liked watching anything to be honest-)

I learned about those before I start learning kanji, actually. (rendaku and small tsu)

I mean, I already know a lot about the grammar, since I studied it before, but

maybe I should just check

just to be sure-

Also maybe the problem isn’t your method but rather your focus ? If you can’t concentrate during lessons or reviews, if you’re tired or hungry, not sitting well, there’s too much noise etc… then it’s going to slow you down, so it’s definitely something to look out for.

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Maybe it’s the way I’m sitting, on the couch with my laptop, and I constantly feel the need to stretch,

Sit up like you would in a classroom or library if you were studying, also making sure you’re fully dressed for ‘class’. There’s been research between posture and attire affecting the mentality of students/learning.

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The goal isn’t to get every meaning and reading right on the first try. If that were the case, you wouldn’t need an SRS. You can always take lessons more slowly or try to come up with personalized mnemonics for things that trip you up consistently, but honestly, the entire SRS system is built around the fact that you’re supposed to get some things wrong.

I’d say the most important thing is doing your reviews on time as much as possible since the SRS is scheduled to show you review items when you’re statistically just about to forget them. If you get a bunch of items in your review box in the morning but you don’t do them until later that afternoon or night, your recall will definitely be affected.

Some people say that language learning is a race to see who can make the most mistakes the fastest. It’s pretty much true.

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After reading the thread, I’ll just be straight with you and give my diagnosis. Just actually spend time on the lessons. Going through 30 items in one lessons session isn’t a good idea unless you spend a good amount of time on it. Actually take time to read the entire mnemonic multiple times if you need to, correlate the meaning mnemonic to the visual pieces of the kanji by actually looking at the thing, and before you finish the set of 5 lessons look at the kanji and see if you can remember their readings and meaning before you do the review.

Also, read the example sentences. Just seeing it in an actual sentences and audibly reading it really helps me nail down the meaning. For example, for the vocab with abnormal readings, I used to just not read the example sentences and consistently failed to recall things like あいだ for 間. But then I started reading the example sentences out loud and now I remember very miscellaneous things like たば for 束 without ever having to revisit the vocab after I do the lesson.
Just take your time. It’s tempting the rush through it all, but it’s really important to dedicate your full time and focus to the first exposure of new material.

TL,DR: pay attention

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(Oh then the time thing makes sense, since, like

school affects this a lot, probably, since the reviews pile up to hundreds