And your Chromebook doesn’t support Android apps either, so you can’t use AnkiDroid?
Since the web version is pretty sparse you do need one of the apps for most the functionalities. I imagine using AnkiDroid if you have an Android phone should be enough though?
Not saying it’s the better investment, but I imagine an Android device that’s just powerful enough to run AnkiDroid would still be cheaper than a year of WaniKani
Gonna just reply to here so I don’t start a new thread.
Has anyone used KKLC? I know that it uses radicals, so does it teach in order from simple kanji —> complex (like what WK does)?
Right now, Wanikani has 9226 items in total. 9226 divided by 365 days in a year is about 25 lessons per day. For me, that would be too much. I would rather to 10 lessons per day, 3650 lessons in a year (which would put you around level 21) or 15 lessons per day, 5475 lessons in a year (which would put you around level 32-33). Less danger of burning out, and you learn the most important stuff in the lower levels anyway.
You can use the Wanikani Estimator to see how many reviews you get per day if you do 10 or 15 lessons every day.
Please correct me if I’m wrong, but most of the users who make it to L60 in a year note that they still have lessons piled up or items to be guru’d. Is there anyone who actually burned all items on WK in a single year?
Also, is there a source that follows a similar teaching pattern to that of WK and includes the JLPT kanji and vocabulary not included in WK?
No, that’s impossible. It takes a year to go through everything, and then it takes 6 more months to get the last items to the Burn stage, if you don’t fail anything.
Not that I know, no. You’ll have to go with Anki decks or something.
I did something similar to what @Marifly was saying. I went through the first 3 levels of WK but because I was encountering N5 kanji so often, I decided to learn them. I just went on jisho.org and looked up #jlpt-n5 and found 600+ words and ~80 kanji to add to my flashcards, so you can do that for whatever level you’re studying for.
Other than using various Anki decks though, I don’t think there’s anything that would use both methods because they’re pretty much opposites—WK teaches from simple to complex, and JLPT is just how common they are which isn’t very helpful considering some common ones are pretty complex.
Thank you! WaniKani spoiled me a little too much I guess. There are SRS decks/cards on KameSame and Japanese Pod 101. They don’t have lessons that teach through radicals and mnemonics, though. Pure memorization.
Yeah that’s right! Ask any questions, I love that book. What’s your overall level and do you already have some kanji knowledge?
That’s right, it tries to balance frequency and complexity, you can read the intro to the book free on amazon’s preview and it explains the concept. The key feature I’d say is it tries to be very consistent with the component based radicals. They make sense and are consistent throughout the book. It’s pragmatic about it, though, so there are exceptions, and of course there are a few that don’t suit me, but the better my Japanese gets, the more I appreciate the mnemonics because some of them really do help not just with kanji with multiple meaning, but distinguishing the meaning from kanji that look similar. That wasn’t super important to me at the beginning but now getting to the 600+ range it’s helping a lot. It does mnemonics for meanings, not generally readings. WK might be better for an absolute beginner who would otherwise have no clue about readings. But kklc presents vocab and readings for each entry, just not mnemonics is what I mean. And there are accompanying graded reader sets you can get in various formats including an app with loads of sentences if you want that
Although it’s conceived to be used in the order written, I personally have used it successfully out of order. The first 100 are worth reading on order, but after that, it’s so well referenced, if you only got up to 300 sequentially and need to learn a super common kanji at 1900 or whatever, it’s really easy to just study that kanji on its own (read any related mnemonics you missed, it’s well reference, or even better, study it as a group with the missed a mnemonic. Once my vocab got >3000 and I was reading pretty easily at an N3 level it had gotten really fast too use kklc in order which is what I’m doing now.
Finally, there is great integration with kklc and kklc graded readers with the kanji study app. And the kanji study app can sync your known kanji to Satori reader (wk can sync to Satori as well)
I’ve written more in my study log and in my home post Ilinked to a lot of my recent posts in my journey to speed up my kanji learning. I like that book a lot and have been using it since 2017. It’s only recently that I’m really flying through it and I’m happier than ever
Thank you so much for your answer! I think I’m going to give it a try.
I’m around N5-approaching-N4 level (making my way through Genki 2), and I already know ~120 kanji so I’ll probably be fine with the readings. Though I guess learning the vocab will reinforce them too, so I might not have to worry about it.
By the way, did you work on memorizing the readings by themselves or just learn the vocab (and learn the readings through them)?
No I don’t recommend learning just the readings. Pay attention to them, but for studying learn vocab that has readings in it.
What worked for me at this stage was different than now at N3 so take advantage of the flexibility and don’t be afraid of trying out new routines or methods of using it! Have fun
For me the order doesn’t matter per se, it’s relevance to me at any one time.
WK takes less of your effort to organize because you follow the program and just keep going. KKLC takes more discipline because even if you follow it in order you still need to make choices about whether/how to srs and which words.
Oh the other hand, WK doesn’t allow you to change the order of the kanji and vocab. This flexibility is what got me to stick with KKLC in the end. In the beginning I skipped around a lot. And even now following KKLC order, I skip kanji I don’t know any vocab for, ie they aren’t relevant now - I’ll circle back later. That saves me a lot of leeches
So you’ll have to think which option is better for you personally.