美少女戦士セーラームーン 第二期 ブラック・ムーン編 🌑

[Chellykins]

Oof. So behind.

S.15.153 (also S.14.148)
Is it common to use なさい with non-verbs? Is なさい even what one would use in this highly unrealistic and convoluted situation? Isn’t it too polite? Or is social hierarchy so engrained in the Japanese psyche that this is what happens in such a circumstance?

158
I love Mamochan’s little face-doodle.

160
Argh! Another missing い from a て+いく construction! (I asked my desk-buddy once my eyes popped back into my skull after that double って).

167
I was confused as to why 安心 was furigana’d as あんじん, but now I think it’s just the blanket dots lining up over the し.

172
bottom right panel - ACK! That’s a lot of KANJI! Hey, wait, I know some of these…it’s a nice feeling! Also, lol at Google Translate for suggesting that I want it to translate from Chinese because long string of kanji…that I input with hiragana…

174
Can someone help break down the grammar in 着陸跡じゃないかって言われてます? I get confused when じゃない doesn’t necessarily mean a negative. I’m good with the last part (was said, or maybe more like has been said), but I’m stuck on the negative in there.

[ChristopherFritz]

@Chellykins

Is it common to use なさい with non-verbs? Is なさい even what one would use in this highly unrealistic and convoluted situation? Isn’t it too polite? Or is social hierarchy so engrained in the Japanese psyche that this is what happens in such a circumstance?

Here, Chibiusa is saying 渡しなさい, which is the verb 渡す (to hand over) in its stem form 渡し, and then なさい added to make it a soft-yet-firm request. As for the politeness, I can’t explain it, but based on my hearing なさい used in anime over my many years of watching, it didn’t feel out of place for me to see its use here.

@Chellykins

Argh! Another missing い from a て+いく construction!

I oft struggle to remember that 行く becomes 行って, and thus that ってって may be [る verb]って + 行って.

@Chellykins

That’s a lot of KANJI!

Even though I know some of the kanji, I still had to take it two kanji at a time. (By the time I got to her name, I didn’t even pay any attention to it…)

@Chellykins

Can someone help break down the grammar in 着陸跡じゃないかって言われてます?

「着陸跡じゃないか?」 is like saying in English, “Isn’t this a landing site?” or “This is a landing site, isn’t it?”

Remember, じゃ is from では, so it’s:

「着陸跡ではないか?」

Here, で is a connective form of だ, so you have an embedded “A is B” sentence, 「着陸跡だ」 or “it’s a landing site”. (In this sentence, the subject is unspoken. It’s essentially 「∅が着陸跡だ」, where the unspoken が-marked subject is equivalent to “it” in English.)

Then, the は marks “it’s a landing site” as the topic, marking it as the context of what’s being talked about in the rest of the sentence. This gets you to the outer sentence, which is essentially 「(this thing being talked about), ないか?」

ない is the negative of ある. Where ある means something “is”, ない means something “is not”. However, ない isn’t always used in a negative sense. This is like in English, if someone says, “Won’t you try a cookie I baked?” they’re not actually asking if you won’t, but rather if you will. It’s a less direct way of asking someone to do something or (in the case of this manga panel) to agree with something.

“Is it not (this thing being talked about)?”

“Is it not (this is a landing site)?”

“Is this not a landing site?” “This is a landing site, isn’t it?” “This is a landing site, no?”

Extra reading on ない and じゃない:

• How to use 「〜ない ( = nai)？」
• How to use 〜じゃない ( = janai) ＆ 〜んじゃない ( = ~ njanai)

These links are nice to have around to re-read for a refresher, aren’t they?

[Belerith]

@Chellykins

Is なさい even what one would use in this highly unrealistic and convoluted situation? Isn’t it too polite?

There’s an in depth tofugu article on なさい and its politeness level here!

In short, なさい is fairly polite, but actually carries an authoritative nuance. It is used by parents toward their kids and teachers their students, for example. Chibiusa does act quite entitled.

[ChristopherFritz]

@Belerith

It is used by parents toward their kids and teachers their students, for example.

I wonder if Chibiusa is simply used to hearing it a lot from her parents and teachers. Hm…

[Chellykins]

@ChristopherFritz

These links are nice to have around to re-read for a refresher, aren’t they?

So much of grammar knowledge is shoved into the back of my brain where things I was taught once go to hide.

[ChristopherFritz]

Act.17 秘密—SAILORJUPITER

Note: The tankoubon release labels this as Act 16.

This Act appears in the following releases:

• Tankoubon vol. 4
• Shinsouban vol. 4
• Kanzenban vol. 3

This is the last Act in Tankoubon volume 4. Next week’s Act will appear in volume 5!

Participation

• I’m reading along (ready for Act.17)
• I’m taking my time (still on an earlier Act)
• I’ve gone on ahead (Act.16 and beyond)
• I’m no longer reading this series

You can always change your answer later if you’d like.

Pages

Release	First	Last
Tankoubon	144	end
Shinsouban	5	50
Kanzenban	95	142

(Last pages are estimated, so it may be a page or two shorter.)

I wonder what may occur in this chapter…

[Belerith]

Alright, time to get started on the next shinsouban volume!!

[Chellykins]

ACT 16! I’m catching up!

S. 16. 211
Is it common to shorten a word ending in の to ん, particularly when preceding a negative? I looked up タダモン and found 只者, but the pronunciations don’t quite match.

[ChristopherFritz]

@Chellykins

S. 16. 211

211 or 212?

@Chellykins

タダモン

In this case, it’s ただ + 者 (ただもの), and he’s saying Rei and the others are not ordinary people.

@Chellykins

Is it common to shorten a word ending in の to ん, particularly when preceding a negative?

Expect to see this a lot with もの and its shorter cousin, の.

[ChristopherFritz]

Act.18 侵略—SAILORVENUS

Note: The tankoubon release labels this as Act 17.

This Act appears in the following releases:

• Tankoubon vol. 5
• Shinsouban vol. 4
• Kanzenban vol. 3

Participation

• I’m reading along (ready for Act.18)
• I’m taking my time (still on an earlier Act)
• I’ve gone on ahead (Act.17 and beyond)
• I’m no longer reading this series

You can always change your answer later if you’d like. (The gone-ahead option should read Act.19. Oops.)

Pages

Release	First	Last
Tankoubon	5	50
Shinsouban	52	96
Kanzenban	143	187

(Last pages are estimated, so it may be a page or two shorter.)

[MissDagger]

Finally sat down to read again, just finished act 16 so I’m a couple of weeks behind. I was avoiding reading because I’d gotten into too much of a full comprehension mode of reading. So sitting down to read would be study time rather than just enjoyment. But realized that today so I sat down and read most of act 16 (I had started it like a week ago).

Not much to say except I’m sensing a sad pattern.

The sailor fighters really have hard lives, don’t they?

[ChristopherFritz]

@MissDagger

The sailor fighters really have hard lives, don’t they?

It makes me think of how in the anime, following the Dark Kingdom storyline, the girls had their memories sealed away, allowing them to return to living normal, carefree lives (even if it meant they didn’t know each other anymore). And then a couple of aliens with a big ol’ tree in need of energy just had to show up and start causing problems. Well, at least Sailormoon tried to fight off the enemy herself, so the other Sailors could keep living peacefully.

[ChristopherFritz]

Act.19 タイム・ワープ—SAILORPLUTO

Is it just me, or have these last few Acts been a bit heavy on the dialogue? Considering the title of the next Act, I feel like we’re in for a lot more dialogue.

I’ve never understood why some artwork for Sailormoon, Naoko Takeuchi chose to give her white hair. I guess she just thought it looked right, or better than yellow, for the particular artwork?

And then there was that one time the anime gave her white hair.

Note: The tankoubon release labels this as Act 18.

This Act appears in the following releases:

• Tankoubon vol. 5
• Shinsouban vol. 4
• Kanzenban vol. 3

Next week’s Act will be the final one in tankoubon volume 5. (This is a short volume, likely to avoid breaking up the following Acts.) The story will continue in tankoubon volume 6.

Participation

• I’m reading along (ready for Act.19)
• I’m taking my time (still on an earlier Act)
• I’ve gone on ahead (Act.20 and beyond)
• I’m no longer reading this series

You can always change your answer later if you’d like.

Pages

Release	First	Last
Tankoubon	51	100
Shinsouban	97	146
Kanzenban	189	239

(Last pages are estimated, so it may be a page or two shorter.)

[MissDagger]

@ChristopherFritz

I’ve never understood why some artwork for Sailormoon, Naoko Takeuchi chose to give her white hair.

Well, isn’t her hair white as Princess Serenity? So it is kinda mixing the two? (That is how I’ve been thinking of it anyway.)

[ChristopherFritz]

@MissDagger

isn’t her hair white

I’d have to check, but that could be it. I’m used to the anime where Princess Serenity has yellow hair still, so that clouds my memories of anything from the manga. (I’m still trying to remember where in the manga Tuxedo Mask lost his hat since I’ve noticed it missing for at least a few chapters now.)

[MissDagger]

I’ve never seen Princess Serenity in the anime, so all impressions I have of her comes from the manga (and its color pages). Doesn’t mean it is correct though. ^^

As for your second thing, did you check the simplest answer that it disappeared between story arcs? Or if it has been gone for longer, from before he was kidnapped. I don’t have the first book currently, but if I can remember where I put volume 2, I could help you look through volume 2 and 3.

Edit: I just realized I’m hiding spoilers from the first story arc. Should I keep doing that since we’ve separated the threads, but someone could come in here, skipping the first story arc.

[ChristopherFritz]

@MissDagger

I just realized I’m hiding spoilers from the first story arc. Should I keep doing that since we’ve separated the threads, but someone could come in here, skipping the first story arc.

Personally, I don’t think it’s really necessary to hide spoilers from the Dark Kingdom arc. (I was being a bit silly in putting a spoiler on Tuxedo Mask’s hat being gone, because there was no plot element around it =)

I do know Sailormoon can produce her mask from nowhere. In the last arc, she transformed without it, then produced it when the group reached Kunzite. And in the current arc, she produces it on-demand to use as Mercury-style goggles to analyze some people-aliens. So I almost half expect to see Tuxedo Mask produce his hat out of nowhere at some point later on. (Not really.)

After all, it's not like he has Sailor transformation magic or anything.

[Chellykins]

I’m so behind, sorry!!

[MissDagger]

Don’t worry, you aren’t alone. I’m also behind. I only finished act 16 a couple of days ago, and I’ve only peeked at act 17. Even if you are further behind that isn’t a problem.

@ChristopherFritz I looked for my volume 2 in the only easily accessible place and that isn’t where I put it. I’m currently living temporarily in my parents’ home until I can find a place for myself, that means I’ve only unpacked what I need for daily use and anything I finish (such as a manga volume) I pack away again, and apparently I was fairly diligent about it this time. And I can’t remember where I put it away so… Can’t help you with your search, sorry.

[ChristopherFritz]

@Chellykins, as @MissDagger says, no worry on where you are compared to which week it is. That’s why the poll each week has options for being on an earlier or later chapter =D

@MissDagger

and apparently I was fairly diligent about it this time.

No worries! I almost checked yesterday, but watched some episodes of Sailormoon instead… Since I have everything digital, it shouldn’t be too difficult to search to do a visual binary search. I’m certain his hat was in his room when Usagi first wakes up there, so that’ll help narrow it down.