美少女戦士セーラームーン 第一期 ダーク・キングダム編 🏰

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Act.4 Masquerade—仮面舞踏会

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We’re keeping with the same thread for now. Feel free to keep asking any questions you may have in Act.1 through Act.3. Be sure to make use of the [spoiler] tags for anything spoilery, as some readers will still be working through earlier Acts. For any spoilery images, [details] works nicely as well.

Participation

  • I’m reading along (ready for Act.4)
  • I’m taking my time (still on an earlier Act)
  • I’ve gone on ahead (to Act.5 and beyond)
  • I’m no longer reading this series
0 voters

Remember, you can always change your answer later if you’d like.

Pages

Release First Last
Tankoubon 119 159
Shinsouban 124 166
Kanzenban 125 169

(Last pages are estimated, so it may be a page or two shorter.)

Vocabulary

A tab for adding Act.4 vocabulary is now available.

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So, it’s really funny that I somehow remember the events from watching the show during my childhood. I actually didn’t remember the actual plot, but I did remember the bal, and then the kiss!

It’s funny, I remember being super excited and emotional about it (I would have streamed some ohmahgods if I was speaking English at the time), but seeing it now I’m more like yikes, non consensual kiss on a passed out drunk person. Adulthood breaks everything.

Also, I remember being shocked at the reveal that he might be actually an enemy. and I’m going to leave it at that. :stuck_out_tongue:

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Even worse considering anime-Mamoru was aged up to college (why???)

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A few minor thoughts, plus added words

Another enjoyable read. For once Usagi’s costume change was helpful and lasted more than a second, and I particularly liked how done with Usagi and/or the whole situation Rei was at any given time. Because Usagi got spilled on at the party and then never found a bathroom, I also got to imagine that mess getting all over Mamoru’s tuxedo, which pleased me.

Words added: グラマー, バルコニー, 乱心, 君臨, 歯向かう, 王室, and 聖石. Words I already had and thus bumped up the queue: 検問 and 破廉恥. When I add words like バルコニー that I can read and understand without looking up or practicing or whatever, it is in the faint hope that someday I will be trying to say something and think, ‘is this a real word in Japanese in katakana or am I forcing it because I can’t think of anything else’ and then remember oh wait it’s in my deck, it must be used by people other than me. It doesn’t happen often but it is a non-zero occurrence, so!

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Same. If I wasn’t so emotional and feeling so nostalgic about this series because it was a big part of my childhood… I maybe would have dropped it by now, I guess.

Apart from that, I’m wondering what let to Luna knowing that Mamoru is Tuxedo Mask…? The situation in the bus in the last arc seemed to me as if only Mamoru has started wondering about Usagi being Sailor Moon but I didn’t notice Luna suspecting anything.

Question time:

Page 131
人々を脅かす ナゾ の敵を倒すでしょ？
Did I read that wrong again? What is ナゾ?

Page 134
目印は？
I think I get what Rei is saying before that, but even after looking up 目印 on Jisho, I don’t get what she’s saying here.

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謎 by itself means mystery. なぞのA means unknown A.

Page 134 I don’t have the book with me, so I can’t help right now :frowning:

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Not really, being ridiculous does, though

cause older guys are cooler

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The situation was a bit over the top, but I wouldn’t call it ridiculous :thinking: It’s on par with the rest of the manga at least.
It’s just one of those things that didn’t age well.

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Let’s see, I’m on kanzenban act 4 page 137 (K.4.137) here.

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I was only just yesterday talking about ったって in another thread. (Hi, @marcusp!) It’s one of those things I see, think “I’ve never seen this before”, look up, and then say “Oh yeah, it’s that thing I’ve looked up several times these past few months.” I don’t recognize it well enough to think 「ったって = ても」, but I caught it this time because I was just yesterday talking about it in another thread.

And after looking it up in my copy of “Dictionary of Basic Japanese Grammar” yesterday, I packed away all my books (moving this weekend), and I wish I had it unpacked. Which box did I put it in…?

From Weblio on たって, I get that た is the past/perfect tense auxiliary verb with the particle とて attached to it.

Stepping over to imabi for a moment:

So far so good. So Weblio says we have た + とて, and imabi says とて is the ancestor of って, meaning we have た + って.

Back to Weblio, it states that when attached to the plain/dictionary form of a verb, it has the meaning of 「…といっても」「…としても」, and represents a strong contradiction. In this case, Weblio says, it’s the same as 「ったって」.

So, ったって = と言っても (“even if you say”).

Thus I take Rei’s line to be along the l lines of “You say awaken, but how do we…”

Hopefully I have that one right!

(I still feel like I don’t grasp it very well.)

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Wow, Christopher, you are like a determined detective in a drama on TV, relentlessly hunting down your (linguistic) prey, analysing all the evidence, and nailing it! And, lucky for us, you share your findings too! Thank you! (And good luck with your move this weekend… we are doing ours at the end of the month!)

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The way I read it, which is only from the Jisho translation would be something along the lines of asking for a landmark, sign, approx. location, direction. Something along those lines. Not a precise translation, and certainly there is a more exact meaning to what she is saying, but I felt like I understood enough and moved on. Maybe someone else knows better?

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Random comment, I got new glasses and holy shit is it easier to read!

Act. 4 Questions [thus far]

ホラ I feel I’ve seen this word a couple of times now and I’m not sure I have a good grasp on what it is doing in a sentence. I feel it’s like an emphasizing word like 'hey! look! no really! but I’m not super sure?

(K.4.133) Usagi says: 一番頼りないんだから (I’m not sure what this means in this context）I read the line before it as we must find the leader のに ??

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I think depending on context, ホラ/ほら can mean different things but yes, what you said basically. Also see jisho.

Page 133?

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Wow how did I get the page number so wrong. Its 141?
Heres a screencap
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For me that’s page 138 (Kanzenban) :stuck_out_tongue:

I don’t think these are Usagi’s thoughts but instead Luna’s (you might want to take a look at the page before). Luna is explaining stuff and I think continues with only her thoughts on Usagi in the cap you posted (starting with “toku ni usagi-chan” on the page before).

ならなきゃいけない - must become (negative of なる/to become + なきゃいけない/must - see Tae Kim’s guide)
のに - although; despite; even though; and yet
頼りない - unreliable; undependable

Does it make sense now?

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Act.5 まこと—SAILORJUPITER

I’m posting this a little early as I’m moving this weekend.

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We’re keeping with the same thread for now. Feel free to keep asking any questions you may have in Act.1 through Act.4. Be sure to make use of the [spoiler] tags for anything spoilery, as some readers will still be working through earlier Acts. For any spoilery images, [details] works nicely as well.

Participation

  • I’m reading along (ready for Act.5)
  • I’m taking my time (still on an earlier Act)
  • I’ve gone on ahead (to Act.6 and beyond)
  • I’m no longer reading this series
0 voters

Remember, you can always change your answer later if you’d like.

Pages

Release First Last
Tankoubon 160 end of volume
Shinsouban 166 197
Kanzenban 169 202

(Last pages are estimated, so it may be a page or two shorter.)

Important: For tankoubon readers, this is the last Act in volume 1! It’s a bit short notice for me to be saying this now, but you’ll want to secure a copy volume 2 if you haven’t already done so. Shinsouban readers will want to think about getting their volume 2 soon as well. Kanzenban readers…you have a little time.

Vocabulary

A tab for adding Act.5 vocabulary is now available.

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I already have volume 2 :high_touch:

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Me too, but I’m only on the Masquerade chapter :frowning:

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I don’t think the page numbers are correct for the reading guide for Act 4. I tried to fix it, but the formula messed up the other versions. Are there multiple Shinsouban editions?

Pic under the summary, in case maybe spoilery.

Summary

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Nearly done with Volume 2 of the Kanzenban. Sorry! I’ll get my thoughts up for Chapters 4 and 5 tonight when I can go back over them to check highlights. I start having a lot more to say around Chapter 7 or so, though I’ve enjoyed each one.