殺人出産 🤰🔪 Book Club ・ Week 5

殺人出産 ・ Week 5

Week 5 22 May 2021
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Discussion questions

  1. What sentence/passage gave you the most difficulty? Feel free to request some help, or if you figured it out on your own break it down for the rest of us!
  2. What was your favorite new vocab word from this week’s reading?
  3. Was there any passage that you found particularly intriguing? Did it resonate with you (either positively or negatively)? Was it surprising? Offer any insight or new perspective? Was it just beautifully written?

Whoa, lot to unpack here.

So now we know how the 死に人 are killed. Sounds like a lot of fun.

Also, that チカちゃん got killed for something she’s not even responsible for…

And the end of this week’s reading is also very cliffhanger-y, I can’t wait to know who will be the chosen one.

I wonder if ミサキ will be an actor in the story, or she will be there just to showcase the average brainwashed young girl, who grew up in the new society and finds it normal.

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I wanted to comment more, but since I’m not reading along, I’m now absolutely lost about where you are at the moment. :sweat_smile:

What’s more, according to my memories and comments content, I have a feeling that you’re near the end of the first story… since two weeks ago :grin:

But I love reading everybody’s impressions. :hearts:

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This week, Misaki and our protag went to Chika’s funeral, and Misaki decides to devote her free research to the topic of (of course) the victims of 産み人. Afterwards, we get some insights into protag’s back story and into the two occasions where she actually felt the urge to kill somebody (the first one was that dude in high school who groped her, the second one was her manager in her first part-time job). Does this help you a bit, or is everything pretty much inseparable in your memory?

That’s correct, and it will last four more weeks :joy_cat:

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This is all that’s making me stick to the schedule. I want to read ahead so badly. :sob:

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Ahhhgg @Phryne I’m convinced you read through the whole book ahead of time to pick the most painful cliffhangers as stopping points.

There’s a lot to unpack from this week’s reading. I just did the whole thing in a single marathon session so I’ll probably let it all settle a bit before writing any more thoughts. One thing I will say is that being forced to slow down (both by the club and by the… you know… Japanese) has helped make these books so compelling. I think somebody said it during the コンビニ人間 club–it’s almost like you’re living in this world with these characters over the course of the weeks that you’re reading.

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A bit, yes, thanks! :hugs:

That’s surprising, I was sure this happens nearly before the final scene :joy: And I was sure Misaki wasn’t even allowed at the funeral and that protag was there with the anti-産み人 lady.

Protag did not want to take her along but she gave in because Misaki pestered her so much.

You remembered that correctly! Also, Misaki was there and later mentioned her dislike for that lady :joy_cat:

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Omg, this week’s reading sure was something! Having to puzzle my way through added to the suspense and the resulting horror. Some of the passages that made me go ‘eek!’ were:

そのと、れてかれた」は全身麻酔をかけられて、「」と二人のない部屋められる。 そこからは「」の自由だ。半日遺体遺族られていく

」と二人きりにさせられ、半日てくる遺体は、だか判別できないくらいに損傷している場合大半だという。そのため、いてにしてから葬式のだ。

This made me think, though, that if people are generally in it for vengeance, it’s kind of strange that they’re fine with the victims killing themselves before the month is out :thinking:

二人目は、大学のころめたアルバイトの、ファミリーレストランの女性マネージャーだった。らないバイトがいると、防犯カメラのないバックルームのまでバイトをて、マニュアルのファイルできながら説教をした。

I think if I lived in such a society, I’d be on my best behaviour at all times. You never know lol.

Two Japanese questions:

そのことにぞくりと身体が冷えて、私は自分の肩と腕を掌でこすりながら歩いたが、鳥肌がたったまま消えることはなかった。

What is ぞくり(と)? All I am finding is stuff like ‘lower ranking official’ or ‘subordinate’.

死の世界に逃げよう、と、その日も、られてグラウンドを走らされたあと、私はふらついた足で学校の屋上へあがった。

What is られて?

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I found this: 「ゾクリとする」の類義語や言い換え | ゾクゾクっとする・背筋に冷たいものが走るなど-Weblio類語辞典 which sounds like “to shudder” or similar?
(and also this if you’d like more)

You found the second occurrence of The Missing Kanji™ :joy_cat:
My book says 𠮟られて (and I do hope that the kanji does not disappear from this post…)

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I can’t believe this :upside_down_face: I even checked the Kindle version for my first question, but not the second :joy:

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Aaa, I wanted to comment on that later and forgot. Yes, I’m surprised people aren’t more afraid of being assholes in this world… but I guess it’s probably a realistic world-view :stuck_out_tongue:

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I mean… loads of people aren’t even willing to do the bare minimum to avoid the short-term risk of getting covid, so I can see how people might not be willing to change their behaviour to avoid death 10+ years later. Same with regards to smoking, drinking, etc.

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Oh, I meant to and forgot to comment on this. From the text, it seems that the targets committing suicide is a rare occurrence. I suppose the risk that their target may take this way out is negligible to the perpetrator compared to the penalty of having to continue to bear children until they die if they took matters into their own hands outside of the regulations. :thinking:

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And in the end, the victims still end up dead and are unable to enjoy their life any further, so there is at least partially some reward. :woman_shrugging:

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And there is still the month of dread and suffering… whichever way they end up dying, there is still some suffering.

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Also, it sounds so nice and easy that they literally get the victim served to them, properly anesthesized as well, so that they can play with them for half a day. No fighting, no running away, no screaming and struggling. That’s probably a plus for most of them compared to an ordinary “wild” murder.

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I haven’t had a chance to post recently but still reading along! This week was so good though that I just had to take the time to comment (even if I actually finished reading over the weekend and am only getting the chance to write something).

Lot's of spoiler-y plot talk

What I thought was interesting about this week was how it showed the effect of this system from multiple angles. In particular, I found striking the discussion where the sister suffered several multiple miscarriages and how the doctors are just like: cool, let’s try again! There is very little consideration for the effects on the body or the mental health of the 産み人 - while it is tempting at first so see them as monsters, we can see how they are also being exploited by the state in serving of pumping out more children. No one is the winner here.

On the other side, with the funeral we see how rituals have been built in ways to sell the deaths as a noble sacrifice. I am now imagining the architects of this system being like: and then they will all dress in white! And there will be bones! And white flowers! And everybody will post it on instragram and it will be all super aesthetic :sparkles: I’m not sure social media exists in this world, but you just know that if it did the government would be pushing all these hashtags…

I largely agree here, but on the flip side, considering how the victims are treated as serving the greater good, perhaps there is in some cases a sort of perverted pride in being selected? The co-workers in particular, note that they are surprising that Chika didn’t say anything, which means they were not able to send her off properly: this implies that perhaps usually people look to milk their month to be painted as sorts of matyrs for the greater good.

Finally, any one else find it disturbing how Misaki is like “more teenagers needs to get on the this killing action!” Yikes. Perhaps I missed it, but I wonder if there is an age limit for becoming an 産み人? Or Conversely, is there is limit to how young the person you kill is? I am also partially wondering that because it was mentioned in the previous thread that perhaps Misaki is the person that hte sister wants to kill, which I am personally leaning towards at hte moment, but I could see the government banning the killer of people of under 18 or something (seeing as the entire system is about increasing children, allowing their killing of them wouldn’t be a great PR move, you would think)

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I must have missed that! Why do you think it will be her?

I think it was @softlyraining who mentioned it in the thread for Week 4 (could be misremembering), but I was thinking the same. First off, I partially think it because of how prominent role she is playing in the story: narrative-wise, I think it makes sense that the person who dies would be someone who the reader gets to know: to me that leaves the narrator and Misaki as obvious choices just from a narrative perspective. It certainly could be the narrator, but that feels like the more obvious choice to me. There would a sort of macabre tragedy in seeing one of the most vocal supporters of the system being the one who dies, which is why I think it’s definitely possible.

But also, the story talks about how the sister meet Misaki while coming at home after several miscarriages, and how much Misaki took to her. With the sister, it’s established that she doesn’t necessarily want to kill because of clear need for revenge: rather that it’s a dark urge that she feels like she can’t escape, hence the notebook. To me, killing someone who is innocent seems like a better fit for satisfying that darkness, even if the case might be the feeling that is somewhat neglected by her mother.

Obviously Misaki wouldn’t have been the original intended victim as she wouldn’t have been born when she first became an 産み人 but perhaps when she came home she was on the fence: but then meeting Misaki she found the perfect victim, the one thing that might finally put an end to the dark urges she felt once and for all.

But this is also just wild speculation! So I could be completely off.

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