What do you use after WaniKani?

By the time I got to level 60, I had already finished a set of beginner textbooks, so I jumped straight into reading. At first, for a year or two, I read mostly easier things, like short stories, fairy tales, graded readers, articles in Satori Reader. Then I started reading light novels and playing video games. I didn’t do any focused grammar study (beyond the textbooks), but I picked up the Dictionary of Japanese Grammar series and any time there was a new piece of grammar (or anything old that didn’t quite make sense) I looked it up there. I also got a 電子辞書 / electronic dictionary and started to gradually shift towards using monolingual dictionaries. I didn’t use Anki or anything else for vocabulary – just the natural repetition you get by encountering words over and over again in different contexts.

Now I’m doing a second tour of WK to refresh my kanji knowledge and practice pitch accent with the vocabulary I learned here and I can say without hesitation that all that reading has been super effective. I can tie kanji to words that I know and the words to specific places I’ve seen them and it makes them much easier to remember. I still mix up some kanji and forget some meanings and readings from time to time, but it’s like night and day compared to first time around.

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LipSurf has had a ton of improvements since then. If you want to get an idea: Updates | LipSurf

I’d love for you to give it another try. Regarding accents, now you can select dialects. And we have one for UK english :slight_smile: The other thing I can recommend is using a headset or external microphone. Those work significantly better with the speech recognition.

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Well, I can tell you what I plan on doing.

I’ll start learning basic grammar on YouTube, and also find someone to speak to, whether it’s a japanese friend, or a japanese tutor. Maybe I’ll watch a few Japanese dramas without subtitles too, and try slowly reading some of the JP manga I have

I originally started learning Japanese because I was a major otaku and thought it was fun to do, so once I got enough knowledge to read without giving myself an aneurysm I tried knocking out some of my favorite series.

Manga:
Mushishi
School Rumble
City Hunter
One Piece
Solanin
flowers of evil

Games:
Final Fantasy 1,4,7,8,9 and 10
Clannad
Breath of the Wild

Books:
Welcome to the NHK
Haruhi Suzumiya (all)
Kino’s Journey (1-10)
Kiki’s Delivery Service (all)
夢を叶えるゾウ (The elephant that makes dreams come true)
and more

Textbooks:
3 World Histroy books
1 Music History book
several programming books

and of course a ton of anime

After finishing Wanikani I tried out Anki but I didn’t really like how it messed with my enjoyment of reading. It caused me to be very neurotic about memorizing vocabulary and took the fun out of Japanese and reading in general for me so I eventually dropped it and put more energy into learning from the books as opposed to the sentence by sentence vocabulary and grammar rule dissection which it had become. While I may not be “studying” the language I feel I have a more healthy relationship with it now focussed on enjoyment rather than grinding up my stats.

As a side note, I started actively reading in Japanese when I was around level 20 in Wanikani. Even though it was difficult I put more attention onto reading than I ever did into the SRS system. I admit the SRS helped me out a lot but I’m human and as a human, I want to enjoy things too.

Also, I wanted to anger a few people near the end; I think grammar study is a myth, and the more rules you study the more unnatural you’re going to sound if you haven’t supplemented your studies with enough immersion. You’ll probably find yourself trying to fit a cylinder into a square hole, even though you have the right tools for the job you don’t have enough experience with Japanese to know the difference between what might work and what might sound awkward and land way out in left field. JLPT is for masochists who want to take the fun out of everything or I guess for people who want jobs (although I managed to become a 入社員 without even an N5, although that’s probably because they valued the skills I had other than Japanese too)

Hope this helped and good luck in the future!

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Anger people?! Hell I wanna give you one of those jumping bro high fives right now lmao

Screw grammar study, but we actually are very different when it comes to srs. I personally don’t mind it, and actually really enjoy the learning/study side. Like maybe more than the actual content lol. So anything that I feel supplements my learning is something I enjoy doing. I don’t know if it’s a curse or blessing, but I’m always hyped when I come across new words I can add to my deck.

Regardless, I respect the focus on immersion and making things fun for yourself. Two most important things hands down.

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I immerse (reading, playing games, etc.), and whenever i find a new word or kanji that i look up that i find common or interesting enough, i add it to my Anki decks.

Also, i just wrote a website that inserts word frequencies into your Anki cards, so i can learn the most common words i encountered first.

And for learning grammar, i’m using Bunpro. I like that it lets you practice constructing sentences at the same time.

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Wow yeah this is exactly my problem. I didn’t go into much detail in my original post but I’ve started to play a few games and read a little it’s just while I don’t always have time for those activities it’s so easy to show up for WaniKani.

Reading through the thread though I realise that’s not really true and I think I can eventually always just replace that time when I finish WK with at least reading, especially if it gets easier like many of you say.

It’s good to know I’m not alone! I’m going to look into that Anki script haha.

Thanks everyone it really helped me get out of my slump reading all of your replies!

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A very good idea. Definitely would second this.

Although I’m not even close to level 60 (ha…ha…ha… T.T), I did notice that the overall rinse & repeat of WaniKani + Anki + grammar is fairly tiring in the long-term and not much fun, unless the textbook has lots of reading materials (which Tobira does, thankfully :slight_smile: )

You definitely can delve into resources which involve more glancing than typing, but at least some grammar and kanji is needed for the process not to give you an aneurysm as @roym3456 mentioned.
Can’t say whether level 10 is too early or not, but around level 20 I noticed I knew enough kanji to navigate simple texts.

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Yeah that’s pretty much what I was doing before, during, and after WK too. lol

It’s the eternal student dilemma. Gotta jump into the deep end at some point.

I’m probably closer to @roym3456 ’s mindset on this. I mean, I’ve been adding words to a list but I never actually go back and study them. :joy:

But I did shortcut grammar for the most part. I read through the N5/N4 stuff in one sitting and then just ran with it.

Yeah, that’s the danger. After I hit 60 I thought I’d have all this time to keep reading, but that hasn’t been the case. I’m still watching and reading but it’s the same amount as before.

It’s really hard to get that self discipline.

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I reckon when I’m level 60 and Anki my deck becomes rarer I’ll still use Yomichan for a while

Lmao, yeah I think I may be in the minority. I hear people talking about how they can’t wait to be done with srs and im over here adding the 47th way to say “suddenly” that I’ve come across looking like

Honestly, once I move into my next job next month and have more free time, I might even start doing like 30+ new cards a day since I feel like at this point its really easy to learn new words anyways.

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Many people are adding another SRS app to learn vocab with sentence cards, so I thought, why not skip vocab and learn directly outside so as not to bother with hundreds of vocab reviews on WK? I wish I had known this mind-blowing knowledge on level 1. So how do I suspend or delete vocab on WK?

After WK, I would learn more vocabs. Even if you learn grammar, grammar points are vocabs.

only 1) torii.srs to supplement wanikani vocab- wanikani teaches you around 4300+ common words and in my experience with french and eng- you need to know around 10-12k to really call yourself fluent=98%+comprehension across all medias with the exception of literature.

as soon as I reach 5k words il probably discard torii and going to fully immerse with the yomichan+anki combo on sites like animelon.

i allready covered n5-4 grammar on youtube with tokiniandy. i didn’t drill it-just got aware of diffirent grammar points

Level 60 wasn’t really an inflection point for me. I’d already started reading along with bookclubs and studying grammar around level 20. Now most of my time is spent reading.

I had been using bunpro and a custom vocab deck of words I’d encountered while reading, but fell off the wagon on those decks and don’t particularly feel like I need to go back to them now.

I read, collecting unfamiliar words in a spreadsheet in case I want to build a deck out of them later (I probably won’t), and looking up unfamiliar grammar as I go.

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I don’t think i’ll ever stop using (something like) Yomichan or Anki.
Okay, maybe i’ll stop using Anki once my Japanese skills are as good as my English skills, but that should still take many years, haha.

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Currently I’ll either watch Netflix anime with Japanese subtitles (or just Terrace House). I’ve been using AnkiApp for music lyrics or manga I’ve been reading.

I agree about studying grammar. I completely agree with the perspective that you’ll only really internalize it by immersion, but i feel this point is often exaggerated and loses the perspective that you need to understand what’s being said first of all, and the grammar is often not obvious at all. You can either hear it 100 times until you learn it by context, or study it first and then keep internalizing it the next 100 times you hear it, while already having the basic meaning in mind.

Just keep it up, you’ll get there! When i was around level 30, reading seemed so hard to me as well. It felt like i had to look up everything i encountered, so much was new.
But at some point, it changes, almost without you noticing. I’m now breezing through Final Fantasy 7, a game with tons of dialogue that seemed very hard to me initially, and that’s not recommended for beginners. I’m not even sure how i got there. You too would probably have loved where you are now some time ago, it’s just hard to appreciate your progress once you’re there.

I’m not sure my way is the best for others, but i just powered through WK while doing a bit of grammar (Bunpro) on the side, and collecting some very frequent vocab in Anki. Yes, it was a bit of a chore, but i felt it was very efficient and would pay off later. Then when I reached level 60, i increased my pace on Bunpro and Anki and only started reading heavily then. By that time it already felt so much easier. Somehow i felt that around level 30 or 40 on WK, i’ll just encounter kanji (and grammar) i haven’t learned yet regularly, so i may as well just finish WK first and study more grammar. Though i did enjoy some easier Mangas (Yotsuba) and video games beforehand. It just felt so much easier and more free as to what i can study later on.

What you can also do is just read extensively, enjoy japanese media without looking up everything. It’ll help more than you think, and be more fun.
Well, those are just my spontaneous thoughts, hope it helps somehow ^^
Learning Japanese is a marathon, not a sprint.

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It very much depends on your goal, but if you’re looking to communicate in Japanese, I recommend HelloTalk or a similar app. You chat with native speakers learning your native language. Every time I log on, I see someone requesting to voice chat (not a dm, just in general). There are dms and public posts. On public posts you can post your own writing and correct others and in turn receive corrections as well. Dms are what you want to make of them or you can voice chat. If you’re not located in Japan, it may help to get premium since posts are shown by country it seems and premium lets you interact more internationally. A vpn might work or may be against the terms though.

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I recently found out I’m the opposite! :no_mouth: The typing does help a bit but ever since I switched my immersion deck to non-input, the recall for me is faster, because I’m not spending time breaking it into the kanjis but taking them at face value off the bat.

Not level 60 yet but I’d tack on to immersion as a lot of people here have. One can keep raking through grammar and kanji in a structural, WK-like environment until the cows come home but there’s nothing better than getting to know them in the wild. Honestly, start this long before 60.

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You’re likely just not able to see your own progress. Its in our nature as learners to really focus in on what we don’t know yet, and at the beginning (and middle…and end kinda lol) theres a lot of stuff we don’t know. With that being the case, its hard to see how far we have come because when you do know something, its not like you pay it any attention…you just knew it.

I never really started off with stuff made to be easier/for learners and kinda dived into r18 VNs and light novels. But, from my experience I felt like I was actually getting better at reading around my 3rd book. I noticed a lot of improvement from my first book, dont get me wrong, but it was more like me getting closer to the surface of water rather than feeling like I had broken the surface and finally could breathe, yknow. This took place maybe 4 months after getting level 60 and being like n3 level and I studied roughly 4 hours on average per day, so mah…500 hours?

Keep on trucking along and you’ll look back one day and be surprised how far you’ve come. Focus on just understanding the text and learning everything you can from it and you’ll do great. Best of luck with the reading, my man.

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