Second chance for vocab


#1

Please give us the second chance for the vocab that we get for the kanji. What I mean is when you enter the wrong reading for the kanji and the screen kind of bumps and it tells you it’s asking for the kun/on’yomi. I think we should get the same thing but for vocab


#2

When the kanji gives you the on/kun warning, it’s because what you entered was right, it’s just not what the system taught you in the lesson and they’re prompting for that.

When the vocab is wrong for a similar mistake, that’s just a wrong answer.

But there’s always the ignore script if you want to use that (as always, at one’s own risk).


#3

What I’m talking about is when the “vocabulary” is just a kanji and you enter in the wrong on/kunyomi on accident.


#4

Yeah, like I said, that’s just a wrong answer, as understandable as it is.


#5

How is that any more wrong than interring the wrong one for just kanji?


#6

Kanji have many readings, they are kind of abstract things.

Vocab are words. They have readings and definitions you can use in sentences.


#7

Okay then why doesn’t the kanji let you enter both kun and onyomi readings?


#8

Presumably because of the mnemonics-based lessons. They want you to remember the readings from the mnemonics they taught you, and it just ensures that you did enter the one they were basing the lesson around.

Though I’ve never seen Koichi say explicitly.

They do say they choose what they feel is the more useful reading for the kanji lesson, so they probably just don’t want you to leave that review without having entered that one.

Entering, な for the reading of 生, while accurate because of the kunyomi of 生る (なる to bear fruit), if they let you do that every time, you might lose track of the most common reading.

And if you meant “why not have people enter them all then”, that’s just impractical, with the aforementioned 生 having its tons of readings.


#9

Okay but why doesn’t it let you enter both kun and onyomi readings?


#10

I’m not sure if you duplicated that post on purpose, but I edited my post after this post came anyway, so there’s more explanation for why they might not want to let users only enter non-lesson readings.


#11

indeed the ignore button it’s a great tool. for errors in typing mostly, since you can start getting temptated to check yourself correct when failing 'cause of rendaku or for exeptions.

It’s the anwser you’re looking for, use it wisely. after all failing it’s an option and the SRS will take care of the rest.:+1:


#12

WK is basically asking you to reproduce what you learned during the lesson. There are 3 states: wrong, right, different than taught. For kanji there are all three options, but for vocab there are only the first two.

It is for example also wrong to enter a meaning of a kanji not taught by WK, even if the meaning is in a dictionary. It is in principle the correct answer, but you didn’t reproduce what you learned in the lesson (there are the synonyms for that, of cause). Tests are not only about what is right, but also what is the expected input. (There is also no penalty for the third state, you can try again.)

That is for the kanji, as Leebo said there is only one correct way for vocab. (if you intend to get it right eventually the ignore script is the way to go :slight_smile: )


#13

exactly, it’s just as @acm2010 wrote.
Sometimes I use the script and check myself correct if I’m already aware of another meaning or synonym, then when reviewing I add it as a synonym (specially for common words with multiple ways of saying them: action, feeling, thing, etc ) basically to avoid further confusion.

Don’t get too focused on geeting it right, it’s not about the testing part, but learning. So make use of it as a tool an correct accordingly. :v:


#14

I wonder if they have addressed this in the FAQ yet…if not it should be addressed in the FAQ because it would reduce some confusion regarding this issue.


#15

I asked this exact question a few months back and was given an excellent explanation which I will try to relay here.

Imagine wanikani was for English and the kanji were letters with the vocabulary as words.
The letter C comes up asking for reading, and you enter “s” as in the sound at the start of “ceiling”.
It says it’s looking for the other reading, so you put in “k” as in the hard C sound you get in the word “cart”, but S was not wrong so it’s not marked incorrectly.
If on a vocabulary review it said “spell cat” and you put “sat” that would be wrong.

Vocabulary kanji are singular words, they can only be read one way.


#16

I agree with this.

In addition, some kanji has like 10 different readings. However WaniKani vocabulary only uses 2 or 3 of them at most. The other readings are far too obscure and used in too few words to be worth adding to the WK lessons. In addition those with 10 readings make it too easy for you to guess a random reading and get it correct, only that the random reading you guessed right isn’t used in future vocabulary at all. So that hurts your ability to retain the reading of those kanji.


#17

off topic but @Leebo are you the same Leebo that was in their high 30+ level before Christmas? Why did you restart? Reached lvl 60 and decided to do new game+? lol


#18

This time, he’s going to play it through as mage instead of a warrior.


#19

He basically reset to win an argument.


#20

That is SO @Leebo!