I’m slow. I do 5 new lessons a day and keep apprentice around 50 items. I don’t want to be overwhelmed and also study a lot elsewhere. Slow and steady wins the race! ![]()
If you have this feeling already, maybe this isn´t for you. Or if it really is, maybe just do in a casual pace, like 1 level month or something.
I’ve been at it for a year and only on level 10. Not going to win any races at this speed but I’m still enjoying that I am learning new stuff. Just keep at it. You’ll get there.
I’ve been doing this for a few years myself, and I’m only at level 15. Halfway through, I got completely buried in late-stage review entries. I rarely ever managed to clear through all my reviews let alone still have time to start some new lessons, so I pretty much stagnated at certain levels.
So I’m moving really slowly too, but it remains a gratifying journey and experience. Yes, it’s a bit disheartening to see how others are able to fly through the levels so quickly, so I’ve learned to ignore that and stop comparing myself to others.
Here’s to hoping we both manage to move through these levels at a healthy pace that is individually suitable.
Most words have the word or sentence itself filled out and you only need to put ta, da or such in. For verbs though you suddenly need to write the whole word. So after having to only write the endings you suddenly need to write out the whole word, which is an issue since they have created an expection that you only need to write out the endings.
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Neither of those are real words so that’s probably why
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Have you read the “additional reading” that bunpro gives you on the side? Sounds like there’s some fundamental grammar missing. If you don’t have some other background in grammar, most people think Bunpro is mostly a review tool, not a tool to learn new stuff (although I did use it that way, but with massive amount of exposure and for a bit more later grammar).
Yes. I have read it. I always read either tae kim or wasabi. The thing is, I don’t have the vocab to know whether there is word like miru and to me it sounds like a completely valid japanese word.Since thus far the software has either given me a word or a sentence and expected me to input a single particle or ending to it, of course I expect this to continue with ru verbs. Instead it gives the verb+ending and expects you to write the verb+different ending. Nothing thus far has worked like this. That is why I expected it to continue working this way. The software already taught me that it works in a way x and then without prior announcement it changes rules and works in way y. This is simply bad design and something people are taught to avoid because it just confuses the user.
Correct,
Okay. I’ll try to explain the issue one more time.
As you can imagine, I know no japanese grammar. As such I turn to bunpro to learn it. At beginning it gives me few garmmar words, or parts of grammar. Ta, da, mo, no, so on and so on. I start doing reviews.
It asks me x, I answer ta.
It asks me y, I answer no.
It asks me z, I answer da.
As you can see, thus far theres a clear pattern. It asks me a thing, I give it an answer in form of a single word or part necessary for that sentence.
Then comes ru-verbs. Now it asks me to turn casual to polite. Because of the pattern I have learned I make the assumption, and this shouldn’t be an unlikely assumption based on the pattern the program taught previously, that I need to answer only the ending. As such, I answer
Masu.
But now I get an error. It doesn’t explain why or what is wrong. Just as previously, it asked me a question and I gave it the part it asked for. So, I try different thing. Input the whole word. Since thus far it hasn’t included the necessary part in the word itself I assume that I need to write the word+ending
I write mirumasu.
It errors. No explanation.
Can you see now why I was confused and how the software broke an pattern it had earlier established?
I had read the ru-verb section of tae kim but it did not, and it shouldnt, explain how to input it to bunpro. It gave all the information and all the variations of the endings as a grammar textbook should.
Here backspace doesn’t help either since to know whether or not you’ve answered correctly you need to enter the answer, unless I am misunderstanding how bunpro works, which at this point I wouldn’t be surprised by.
Also, what are ghost reviews? I tried to look it up but I couldn’t find an explanation.
I understood you the first time
I just wanted to make sure you didn’t think Miru was not a valid word…
Actually looking at your explanation again and Bunpro lessons there is a difference. The answers you did first time were particles or individual words. So the pattern really doesn’t break when you have to write a whole verb.
Ghost reviews are a separate review stack for items you got wrong. These can really bump up your review count. Maybe there’s an explanation on the Bunpro forums. Minimal basically only creates a ‘ghost’ if you get an item incorrect two times in a row.
Ah I can understand the confusion sometimes for what it wants, but generally you can tell if you look at the sentence around it. If it wanted you to just put masu you would see the mi part already, but because it was missing you need to put the whole thing. When you put mirumasu though it marked it wrong. In this case that’s because it is wrong. You need to drop the ru from miru to get the masu form. Mimasu would be the correct answer.
I find most of the time I make mistakes on Bunpro it’s because I was only looking at the blank and not the stuff around it. As you get further and the grammar builds on itself it’ll get a lot more complicated, so it’s an important habit to get into early to look at the whole thing if Bunpro is a site you plan to continue using.
I seriously doubt that! I’m sure I will be much slower than you! We just keep plugging along.
I thought I’d throw in my two cents about this. I have been moving through the system very very quickly, I actually think it’s been a little slow for my taste. I just got to level 14 and am a little annoyed I have to spend minimum of a week on only 30 kanji. That being said, I should mention that I’ve taken two full years of university Japanese to get to this point so I’m quite fluent in katakana and hiragana and was familiar with 300 kanji before even starting. To top it off I am willing to spend two hours a day knocking out four hundred vocab reviews, which I realize does not apply to many people.
All that just to say that there is certainly a wide range of people using the site, and you just have to realize that you are going at your pace.
Alright
sorry!
The issue is that it gives particles for such a long time that an user who is only a beginner will assume this is how the system works. While the pattern might not technically break to an person who is used to answering only particles it will come as an surprise.
Don’t think I need to touch any ghost review settings. I just got an ghost review badge :3
In general now that I know how the verbs work I ace bunpro reviews making only few mistakes. Most of the time I get 80 - 90% correct.
As for wk it’s bit lower, between 70 - 80 % but still better than before where it was 50 - 60%. Holding a schedule of doing reviews only four or three times a day, depending on how many reviews there is available, has done wonders! I no longer get frustrated like I used to with the software :3 Of course when I make mistakes where I feel like I should have known the answer I feel bit annoyed but nothing like before. It also feels like I make much better, much more reliable, progress. I’ve even managed to knock several kanji and vocab into master!
At the moment it feels like the biggest thing slowing me down is the ammount of vocab I have to do. Of course it makes sense that vocab makes the biggest % of what you learn.
One thing I’ve come to love is how japanese write months. It’s not october but tenmoon, jyuugatsu. For a person who to this day hasn’t learned the names of months let alone their order in either finnish or english this is much easier way to tell months and I for one advocate that finnish and english should adopt this system! Calling october tenthmonth would be so much easier!
It sounded cheesy to me at first, but it really helps to get into the mindset that missed reviews just mean you haven’t learned it that strongly yet. There is no should or shouldn’t, there just is and isn’t.
Right and it makes it so that the wk and bp time is at specific times, not something that is constantly going on and on your mind. Of course there are still times where it feels like ‘I should know this’ but the reading just doesn’t come to the mind, such as a kanji or vocab with which you struggled a lot to get it to guru and have now forgotten, or where you kind of know it but aren’t sure whether it was ta, tama or mata and so forth and missing those are quite annoying. I am okay with the ones where the kanji or vocab just comes up and my mind is completely blank. No recollection of ever even seeing such a thing. On other hand, it’s pretty wonderful feeling to see a kanji or vocab you haven’t seen in a looong time and remember how it goes!
Almost 100% wk review. Only one mistake. Sigh.
Also, goddamn gaaru and darou. Constantly mixing them up. Ugh.
You say you haven’t learned the names of the months or their order in your native language, but I’ll bet you would never mix up kesäkuu (June) and joulukuu (December), right? That’s because their names are connected to events in the real world (summer and Christmas) that give them meaning for you and make them unforgettable. (Finnish: kesä = summer; joulu = yule, kuu = moon)
The radicals in WaniKani are meant to do the same thing for you with Japanese. The idea is to use the radicals to create a story that gives meaning to the shapes of the characters, so you don’t have to rely on rote memorization to learn them.
tfw when you give a polite form to bunpro and it insists ‘more polite’
Welcome to Japanese, where we can have casual, polite and honorific (that looks completely different) for the same verb . Oh yeah and humble version, as well ;).