Don't Give Up - (From the Eternal Lurker)

I’ve seen a number of posts in the last couple days of people not sure how to get back into WK after a long break. I know there’s been tons of these posts in the past, but, hey, what’s one more?

I started learning Japanese back in 2015 and quickly found WK. It was a great, and one that I held up as my golden study tool. I’ve probably used over 100 different study tools over the years, some just to try out, others for longer. But I always came back to WK as “The Best”. (In the past I would’ve put 最高. Oh, how the years have changed me.)

I was a long time WK community member. From back in the pre-discourse day. I remember spending days tied with @Kumirei fighting for #1 time spent most read on the forums and late night chats with @AnimeCanuck (Pinging you guys for old times sake. :smiley: I’ll throw @trunklayer in there for good measure. :P) WK was just a thing I did, instead of learning Japanese.

I kept up with using my Japanese but ended up taking a 5 year break. Occasionally I’d pull it up and plan to get my 2000 reviews under control, but then lose steam after a couple hundred. Much like @Zombice I’d do a ton but then drop a ton back into Apprentice and the pile would get worse and frustrating. Rinse and repeat for a couple years.

So, if you’re interested, here’s how I came back from a huge review pile.

● Recognize that WK is an great tool for learning Kanji, not Japanese. You need to supplement your studies. You need to realize that some common words you won’t learn and that a lot of words you DO learn aren’t spoken or used very often. The vocab words are meant for you to solidify your kanji recognition.

● Now that I’m back to WK there are words I learned over the past 10 years that are popping up in WK and feel like I’m cheating since I already know them.

● Use the words you learn to the best extent possible. Whether that’s a friend you can talk Japanese to, or reading that you can practice.

● If it’s been awhile since you studied, DON’T reset to level 1. I made that mistake for you already. It starts out super easy and builds up fast with reviews on words you already know. Reset 1-3 levels. This removes the words that you didn’t spend a lot of time with in the first place.

● Use a userscript or an app like Smouldering Durtles. Select priority for older levels first. You’ll start burning items and you’ll have less wrong as you work through the levels. (Which is good motivation) DO NOT do lessons until you clear the review pile a couple times try to get under 1000 items outside of Burned. Less than 100 in Apprentice.

● Don’t worry about leveling up. Just focus on learning. I even prioritize lessons on Vocab ahead of Kanji and Radicals so I can try to stop myself from leveling, just so I don’t get overwhelmed. But now that I’m back in it, I still level up in 10-14 days. You can’t stop progress even if you try.

●If you can only do 10 reviews in a day, that’s ok. Any progress is progress.

As you can tell, you’re not alone when this kind of thing happens.

These posts are just within the last few days.

@Zombice @Alucinor_wanikani @AlexR1der

So don’t give up.
It’s possible to get things under control.

Sincerely
Justin Crabigator - The True Believer

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Trunky_Clumsy

Anyway, welcome back! catwave
I remember you too; it’s very nyaaaaaaaaaaaice to see you again! trunky_rolling
Best of luck with your studies wricat

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Yeah, been pretty regular for the last 3 months. So, I think I finally figured out how to keep it up. :sweat_smile: Thanks so much! Best to your studies as well. (Since I assume you have something outside of WK.)

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Thank you! love2
Yes, while I don’t use the app itself anymore after reaching level 60 (because even the congratulatory email from WK suggested that it’s time to move forward), I haven’t abandoned Japanese studies – I’m currently concentrating on reading and listening wricat

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Yeah, honestly surprised at this point after keeping up my studies how many words I’m like wait…
You have these words for 館 https://www.wanikani.com/search?query=館&button= , but you don’t have 会館??? Part of what made me realize WK limitations.

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I’ve just noticed today there isn’t (やかた), nor the reading in the Kanji entry. WK isn’t meant to be complete for its Kanji course, anyway. (Compare with Jisho.)

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Right? I definitely didn’t realize this when I first started.

I mean, even with the majority of the jōyō kanji, that doesn’t mean anything about vocab.

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Hey! Thanks for the kind messages

I think my situation is a little bit different though
If I had a lifetime subscription I think I would absolutely put in the time and effort to kill my review pile and get going again, but I’ve only got about a month left on my subscription and I feel buying another year is hard to justify for me. It’s a shame as I love WaniKani and it’s worked incredibly well for me over the past two years, but it’s difficult because of the financial commitment.
Also I noticed you said 10 reviews in a day is ok and its progress, but I’ve tried that and the reviews seem to come back (in higher numbers) the next day. So, even if I do 10 reviews a day, I feel I’m going backwards.

So, thanks a lot for the advice and I’d love to tell you that it helped, but unfortunately I think because of my situation it’s hard to go back to WaniKani, at least for now.

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Thanks for this, I appreciate the post. I think a big issue for me is getting stuff wrong and it dropping back into apprentice which really makes my review pile come back big. I’ve never gotten into quite as bad situation with thousands of reviews, it gets to maybe 300 at most. I just find myself in a loop with no progression and the pile just builds up quickly again

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Yeah, I understand that, the lifetime does make a difference. Maybe when the new year sale comes up it’ll be worth it to get.

To clarify, I meant do what you can. Even if it is only 10 one day. Not 10 every day. Though, if that is your situation, then I can understand the difficulty right now.

Also, for you and @AlexR1der , if you really do use a script to focus on the older levels first, then the pile will shrink. First, because it’s words you’ve studied many times before and second, even if you get it wrong, it’ll come back very soon because it’s no longer a random review stack.

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Yeah I have never actually used a script, feel kind off put trying to actually add them for some reason. I think on smouldering turtles I did have that turned on one time but I felt it was still not great because then the new lesson items didn’t come up frequently enough.

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That’s kind of half the point. If you can’t get to the whole pile, at least you’re reviewing the older things and reducing the pile size.

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I’ll give it another try and see how it goes

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I mean, it’s worth a try. :sweat_smile: I bummed out for a couple days and woke up to 300 reviews, so I understand it can creep up on you pretty fast. I still have 15 lessons from over a week ago I haven’t started yet. The majority of those are radicals.

Edit: All of those are radicals. :rofl:

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Haha, yeah. Well I’ll certainly give it another go. I guess older items are more likely to be leeches I suppose, so I felt like I got kinda stuck when I ordered them first before, plus I feel like some older items are also less likely to be forgotten quickly, unlike new apprentice items. But yeah I’ll see again if it helps at all

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4 times I’ve taken unexpected breaks three times for around 2-3 months and once for a whopping half a year. Each time I came back and groaned at the review pile (I’m aware of vacation mode but just not a fan of it), then plowed through them in a weekend.

If it’s something you really want to do, then giving up is just doing yourself a disservice.

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I’m one of those who posted recently and the things that got me past my initial roadblock were setting my reviews to “oldest first” instead of Random. (I use the Tsurukame app for iPhone and it was a setting there), and doing the “review burned items”.

When I first started getting back it was giving me random reviews and for the more recent lessons I couldn’t remember the vocab, kanji or radicals at all, and it was frustrating. Setting it to oldest first is making it give me the reviews in about the same order as originally so I’m refreshing on the radicals, then kanji, then vocab in mostly the original level order. It really helped. I’m down to 1800 reviews left from 3200 to start, so in another couple weeks I should be caught up. Thanks for the encouragement!

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I want to add that I’ve been using the Tsurukame app for a long time as well. There was a moment in time where I hadn’t logged into WK through the browser for several months, only doing my reviews and learning through the app. One day, I noticed, I wasn’t getting reviews coming in anymore, logged out, logged in. Turns out, my WK account went into hibernation and it didn’t sync. And this was after I decided to get through my 1000 reviews. It really took a lot out of me to redo the exact same reviews I had done already. Anyone solely using a third-party app, make sure you log into the browser at least once a month!

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Just wanted to come back and say that I think the advice to prioritise earlier levels was actually really useful. I’ve been trying it out again lately and honestly, I can see the benefits. I’m not always getting through my review pile, but because it puts earlier levels first, I can focus on shrinking the items I have in rotation which in theory will help me in the long run. It feels good to burn items, and I get the satisfaction that that’s one less thing to keep dealing with. Without reordering, there’s a chance I would have just knocked it back down some levels by the time I actually reached it.

I’ve been really limiting my lessons as well, limiting myself to about 2 or 3 AFTER I’ve cleared my whole review pile. And since I don’t clear it every day, I don’t have lessons coming in every day either.

Overall, this current rate of progress is slow, but I guess I’m focusing on slowing the system down for a little bit, and I think it’s going a long way to making wanikani manageable again. Plus, I’m visually tracking my progress through the level in a journal, which helps show me that I am making progress, rather than drifting in the void.

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This sounds very much like a mindset-issue.
While in WK itself, I, as a lowly Lvl 5 haven’t had this issue yet, I sure do on KaniWani, the reverse WK.
I only do stuff there when I’m in the mood and the pile just keeps getting bigger. (as it’s constanlty fed new items from WK)
The mindset I have when using it is that it’s about my time-investment and not about whether and how much I decimate the pile.

I will take a break from WK next week for roughly 11 days as I’ll be in holiday. I will not use holiday-mode and I know this will result in a ~400 item review-pile.

I’ll simply just invest a similar amount of time as I do now and live with the pile for until it’s eventually gone. Just as I live with the evergrowing KW-pile, which I might not fully commit on getting rid of until I’m actually done with WK.

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