Can I learn good enough Japanese to live there within ~9 months, as well as how can I learn to speak and listen to Japanese

I wonder if this one holds true if you compare populations and definitions.

Japan is far more homogeneous, so Japanese people interact with people of other races less, by lack of opportunity. It’s not as though there is racial harmony instead.

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But this homogeneity results in less racial friction which is a good thing in the end, also for foreigners.

I would prefer multiracial fraction free cultures btw but looking at reality it seems a far way to go.

Is it? I think this is a major reason that many landlords refuse to rent to non-Japanese people and that people will say they don’t like/hate [people of race/nationality] because of one uncomfortable or bad experience with them

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What you describe surely is a problem in Japan!
But the same thing happens to you in Vienna,
that’s why foreigners tend to live in foreigner districts,
they cannot find an apartment in a “good” area easily.

With racial frictions I meant another level,
like eg you are being shot on the street because you look different or you are belonging to another religion.
These things just don’t happen in Japan (at least I haven’t heard about it).

I don’t consider that as a good thing. It just the opposite problem of what the US currently has.

I prefer a multi-cultural environment country.

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Well, we already established that you’re extremely unlikely to be shot at all in Japan, for any reason. Yes, that’s a good thing, but it’s not racial harmony that is the reason you won’t be shot.

You already said you’d change the “no racial hate crime” thing, so I get that you’re just saying it’s less, but it’s odd to me to suggest that the high level of homogeneity is a positive for minorities.

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That sounds indeed contra intuitive.
But it is based on the experience that my home country changed from a very homogenous to a multi cultural society in the last 30 years,
and along this change some frictions occurred that now in turn affect all foreigners in a negative way (like ghettos, decreased quality of public schools etc).

There has been on the other hand a change in mentality to be more open (just a tiny little bit and on the surface) but on the other hand the public opinion changed dramatically against almost any foreigner now so I think altogether the situation is worse now.

Maybe Japan will not face the same problems because the are going internationally in a much much lower speed and things might turn out completely different (I hope so, for the sake of my kids).

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To me that’s just going from one type of bad situation for minorities to a different type of bad situation for minorities. Just because there was less “visible friction” before doesn’t mean that minorities weren’t being discriminated against. It would just be thought of as “not a big deal” because they’re a small percentage of everyone.

It seems like you’re actually talking about how bad the “friction” impacts the majority population.

And yes, Japanese people are not generally going to be aware of the problems of minorities. They’re not going to be impacted by that kind of thing.

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One example:

When I was a child there was one foreigner in my primary school class. He learned German within one year, spoke a perfect countryside dialect, made an education that enabled him to work for a high salary, decided to become a photographer, was able to get that additional education for free and now he is working in his dream job it seems.
Was his life easy as half Asian on the countryside where he was the only one? No I don’t think so. But he has a lot of friends.

30 years later, the public schools in Vienna are so multilingual that German is only spoken by about one or two kids if any in a classroom. The children don’t learn to speak German, nor English and in any case they don’t receive a formal education in their mother tongues. As a result they have no chance in the job market, and live on social insurance or low income jobs to a very high percentage. Most of them seem very frustrated. But they have a parallel society that gives them support.

What is better? I don’t know. But at the moment I am really happy that I can send my kids to public schools and in the end of the day they speak perfect Japanese without any effort and extra tuition fees.

(I would be more happy if I would have a foreigners community in my neighborhood btw)

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I’m going to refrain from discussing anecdotes. (Mention of the Sri Lankan woman before just to refute the idea that the total racial justice problems was “none”. No one disputes that some people might have pleasant lives as minorities)

What language are they teaching classes in if it’s not German, English, or any students’ mother language.

As an aside, the thread has been officially completely derailed
 so probably best for me to just drop out.

I agree, this has derailed too much.
This is my final reply:

They are teaching in German of course, but almost no child is good at it with 16, this is becoming a problem now.

Unfortunately, from the news I catch from time to time and the people I encounter daily (also Austria, yay), this sounds fairly plausible.

But I also have to agree with Leebo (not tagging :slight_smile: ). Quite a bit is happening in Japan as well, but that I hear mostly from colleagues who live there, because on the news it’s mostly: people driving into trees, people driving into cyclists, cars driving into other cars (Japan, really
). Also, floods and fires.

Just like the OP I would like to move to Japan in a very foreseeable future, but I’m trying to take into account that the cleaner grass still has probably the same shade of blue :slight_smile:

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You will like Japan, the grass is cleaner and blue. :rofl:

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Just out of curiosity - this topic is now roughly one month old, meaning 8 month remain until McYodo will start his asian adventure.

How’s the progress going?

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Seems like they have remained to level 2 after a month so I wonder too if the progress has been somewhere

I’ve recently found the movingtojapan subreddit, and they have a wiki about visas. If you haven’t yet gotten a chance to research the topic in depth, I recommend looking over it:

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Thanks for the link, I am interested in moving to Japan for a short to long term position.

I spotted the same username on renshuu.org hopefully he heeds everyone’s warning’s and doesn’t do Something to get deported

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