Are mnemonics bad?

Well if it’s a daily challenge, why not. I think once a day is enough embarrassment, though :joy:.

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yep, but the strategy is to promise something impossible and build up enough social pressure to not be able to back away :upside_down_face:

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ありがとうございます。

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I just wanted to throw out a couple of practical ideas for you:

Whether you use mnemonics or not, when learning to pronounce new words, listening and speaking practice is an important part of balanced language learning to avoid bad habits. The first time I heard my speaking partner say おとな I didn’t understand the word at all. Having to ask her to write what she said and being shocked at how differently she said it than what was in my mind really helped after just that once to burn it in my memory. The mnemonic isn’t bad per se, it’s just not sufficient for well-rounded learning.

Similarly, for well-rounded learning, basic grammar and vocabulary is needed to provide context to fully benefit from the vocabulary you learn from WK (or other kanji method). I agree with your friends, get further in Genki before blasting through kanji. After Genki I (and even Genki II), your Japanese is still at such a basic level that lack of kanji knowledge still isn’t holding you back. The type of thing you tolerate struggling to read and understand will have furigana anyway. You’ll still be mucking through conversation practice wondering when you can approach more complex topics. But having reached that level, you’ll find learning kanji much easier and more accurate. You’re just adding kanji to a known vocab/context, not learning all of that (recognition, pronunciation, vocab meaning, context) all at once.

Sure, lots of people on here do great without this foundation, and yes, kanji is helpful for improving overall Japanese comprehension. But there are a lot of level 60 posts saying they wish they had approached grammar earlier or taken their time with WK to balance other language learning activities. So if stepping back and building your language foundation is what you think you need, go for it!

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Not that he’ll EVER RESPOND

kidding kidding, missed you nilly bean

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What about using the most controversial Wanikani sample sentences do gain momentum for the challenge?

They are fun, contain words we know and never fail to catch attention.

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OP is a massive troll lol

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Still, these kinds of threads evolve(devolve?) into their own conversations and it’s those conversations that are the interesting parts. I’ve gotten to know a few people on the forum better through these mini off-topic conversations.

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Idk anyone from these threads. It just sounds like the OP is trying to get people to avoid WK. He made another post similar to this one.

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It’s probably Matt Lol

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This reminded me on a documentary in the beginning of the Corona crisis about England, the land who discovered hygiene.

It is always so funny how in Japan foreign things are ideolized when they are done well (or once were done well)

There are a couple of sausage and cookie brands with fake German brands. I like them a lot, at least the cookies.

This がいじん is inferior myth is just another proof of either trolling or Dunning Kruger.

I personally belief, a Japanese version for Wanikani would be a mega seller in Japan.
For kids but also adults.
Everyone admits they forget Kanji which are not used often.
And everyone has some mnemonic memorization methods unconsciously anyway.

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What does this even mean?

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I cannot remember well but it was a glorified documentary mixing history in hospitals and interviews with English doctors who talked about Corona measures. Turned out Japan was doing better though, because it seems in England it spread a bit faster in the beginning.

However, there is a lot of glorification of foreign things going on in Japan. Maybe because of it there are so many Katakana words.

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What do you mean? A wanikani for Japanese people to learn kanji?

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Yes. But I think it would also be very good way to teach them English (while brushing up Kanji).
They could chat with us in the forum, would be fun

I think it would be the perfect win win situation.
And only needs marketing efforts in Japanese. The product exists already.

Anyway it could be tested very easily by the Wanikani team by giving free access to a Japanese test group. My strong believe is, that’s their biggest and ultra simple possibility of growth.

Isn’t WK mostly focused on kanji recognition, not production? I was under the impression that the usual Japanese kanji problem was “forgot how to write this” rather than not remembering it when they encounter it in reading.

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English Corona measures were a joke, so that sounds kind of odd :laughing:. At the start they were like ‘oh let’s not do anything and we will be herd immune!!’.

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I started it because I thought the mnemonics help me recalling Kanji for writing, that works pretty well!

An unintended side effect was learning English.
Never wrote any English text before this forum.

I am totally sure this would be the same effect for a Japanese as well.

AND they could correct us here.

I loved the idea to sing happy birthday three times while washing your hands :sweat_smile:

But I am not sure if this is common knowledge. I am a convinced reader of The Sun

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Convinced? You do know that’s like the tabloid of tabloids? :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:

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I love the flashy headlines :relaxed: