2000 kanji in 6 months (learning how to write)

I can confirm this as a native English speaker who had to take English as second language in her Dutch secondary school. The one test I flunked in my 6 years of this was a grammar test that I hadn’t studied for (as per usual) and was so focused on technical terms that I had no idea what they wanted from me. I couldn’t conjugate a verb to the “perfect infinitive” though I absolutely spoke grammatically correct English.

After that test, I studied the grammatical terms each time. Never did vocab lists though, sod that for a game of tin soldiers.

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I’m doing the same for Chinese. I’m at 2240 out of the 3000 most used characters. Still feels like I’ve just scratched the surface. I’m probably going to learn around 4000 in total.

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Have you considered RTK? I started less than a week ago and can already write over 250 kanji from memory. I bet it would be even easier for you being WK level 60 and being familiar with basically all the kanji already.

Excuse me, but what’s RTK? I’d like to try that too if possible.

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RTK is Remembering the Kanji, the book series that brought the whole “remembering kanji by making mnemonics from stories composed from the elements” to most people’s attention.

I’m not sure what advantage RTK would have over WK for learning how to write exactly, though. You can always just use WK to practice writing as well (probably indirectly through something like KaniWani).

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@Leebo is right that you might be able to just use WK, but I think RTK has some advantages for learning how to write. For someone who’s not level 60 yet, you don’t have to wait to unlock anything, for one thing. But, more importantly, the way the kanji are broken down is with the purpose of learning proper stroke order. Also, the book demonstrates the stroke order for each kanji. It might seem trivial, but stroke order matters in a way you only come to appreciate once you start writing. It helps your writing flow so much better because it’s such a systematic and consistent way to write. Apparently, from what I’ve researched too, using the correct stroke order helps people read your handwriting better, especially if it’s not the neatest.

A final benefit is that RTK only gives you one English word per kanji and never repeats that word for any other kanji. Since you want to practice writing from memory, you need something to trigger the memory. If you have multiple kanji that have the same meaning, you won’t know which to write when you are practicing.

A potential downside of using RTK for you might be that you might potentially get mixed up since there’ll be conflict between RTK’s stories and WK’s. The same goes for the meanings. You are only given stories for the first 500 kanji, and I mostly use my own anyway, or ones from the site kanji.koohii.com. Perhaps you could use WK’s stories as long as you can adapt them to trigger the memory of how to write the kanji correctly.

Overall, RTK is nice because the system was made with the intention of teaching you how to write. It sort of “teaches you how to fish.”

Whichever system you choose, you’ll want to use an SRS for writing too. I use Anki. You make cards with only the keyword on front. When Anki shows you the word, you write the kanji from memory. On the back of the card you have the kanji. I have it in four fonts, one of which includes stroke order. You also want the story on the back in case you were unable to remember it. You only need to practice one way.

Also, if you haven’t checked out this article from Tofugu on stroke order, I highly recommend you do:

I understand the idea behind postponing learning how to write because you mostly type nowadays. However, I think learning how to write is invaluable. In fact, I would argue that it is better to do immediately, even as a beginner. It helps you remember the kanji better, helps you distinguish them better, and gives you a sense for the whole system that is tough to put into words. You just get more intimate with this beautiful system in a way only learning meanings and readings can’t do. I’ve always thought kanji were cool, but still wondered why Japan doesn’t just get rid of them and switch to a phonetic system like Korea did. Even after only learning to write the small amount I have so far, I no longer think they should do that. There’s something special about this system that you just have to feel through writing.

I hope some of those ideas can be helpful. Let us know how it goes!

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There’s a stroke order script for WK. You absolutely should write kanji with proper stroke order.
And if you learn WK’s radical and kanji names, it’s a waste of time to learn the RTK keywords.
But an RTK anki deck (and installing a stroke order font) may be a good way to start practicing writing even for WK users.

@heisamaniac,
I’ve recently decided that this is something I want to do too, and this deck setup looks perfect! It’d definitely be much better than defaulting back to English keywords, especially since I can already read the Japanese.

My first question is, did you make your deck available for download anywhere? I’m inexperienced with Anki, and don’t have any desire to learn much of it just to “reinvent the wheel” here, so to speak.

Also, how did you do your Anki reps? Did you attempt to write the kanji from memory? How far did you get? How well can you write kanji now?? :upside_down_face:

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Sorry for the late reply

Unfortunately no, it disappeared from the face of the earth once I deleted anki and all of my decks I am afraid. However, it really is not difficult to make.

https://kanji.sljfaq.org/kanjivg.html

Here is the link to download stroke order diagrams. I saved each kanji one by one which is probably very inefficient so if anyone knows of a coloured stroke order diagram pack or something let me know.

All you do is drag and drop the image file into the answer field of anki and there you go. However I do understand if you don’t feel like creating each card on your own. Therefore, I’m sorry. I probably should have just uploaded it somewhere.

I would watch the keywords うみ and かいがい for example and write 海 and 海外 if I already knew how to correctly write 外.
I don’t know if this counts as “writing kanji from memory” though. I guess the process of writing 海外 with うみ written next to it helps a lot to know how かいがい is written an vice versa. That’s the biggest flaw in the deck I suppose. Seeing multiple words with the same kanji usage sort of helps the brain pick out the desired kanji from memory.

I was able to write the first 2000 kanji according to wanikani order. I think I literally stopped at 2000 and just did reps for a long time to bring down the review count. Then I stopped reviewing completely which means that my skills have rapidly deteriorated since then.
I really don’t have the need to write. I tried forcing myself to write an x amount of time each day but it just felt like I could use my time elsewhere so…


I tried writing some words from memory and this is how it went.
I couldn’t come up with the kanji for 忘れる so it became 忌 from 禁忌 somehow.
超 as in the prefix “super-” became 起きる.
I tried to flex with 憂鬱 which failed since I forgot the component under the 凶.
I couldn’t even begin to think of how to write 奪う.

I guess I’m fine with a lot of the simple vocabulary but I have forgotten a lot.
It was funny however to see that when me an my Japanese colleague tested out our kanji writing skills we where not too far apart in knowledge :joy: I guess it’s pretty well known that Japanese also struggle with remembering kanji (especially if you moved abroad)

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