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柱の男・サンタナ The Pillar Man - Santana

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CW: off-camera attempted suicide and you can assume that a chapter may or may not have nazis from here on out for Part 2

Chapter 9 (53): 柱の男 蘇生実験・「柱の男)」Questions
  1. What are Stroheim and company up to?
  2. What does he want to do to Speedwagon?
  3. What does Stroheim propose to the people in the cage?
  4. What do they do and what happens to them?
  5. What does Stroheim say about their choices/actions?
  6. What do the bandits say they’ll do to Joseph and why?
  7. What does Joseph do or is implied to do?
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Huh, I thought I posted this already

So the aizouban has Joseph’s character sheet right before the next chapter. I went ahead and put its content on the vocab sheet. I know it should be in the tankos somewhere and I’m not 100% sure about the bunkos, but I think it’s in those too.

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Chapter 10 (54) “柱の男” 対石仮面の男・「柱の男・サンタナ」その1Questions
  1. What does the way Stroheim speaks to Speedwagon show about how he feels about Speedwagon and their relationship?
  2. What is Stroheim’s opinion of Santana? What relationship does he see himself to Santana?
  3. What is the experiment they preform and what are the conditions of it?
  4. How does the experiment go specifically?
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Chapter 11 (55) 砂漠の追尾者・「柱の男・サンタナ」その2 Questions
  1. What does the map tell us about Joseph’s location, where Santana was found, where Speedwagon was found, and the building where those two are now?
  2. What does the man in the desert think of Joseph? Why does he think he’ll win?
  3. What’s Joseph’s tone with the man? What lines or word choice make you believe so?
  4. Why does everyone freak out at the end of the chapter?
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CW: sexual abuse/exploitation

Chapter 12 (56) 消えたサンタナ・「柱の男・サンタナ」その3Questions
  1. When will Joseph tell Erina that Speedwagon is alive?
  2. What do the nazis want from the women? (Please use speech appropriate the platform where these questions are)
  3. Why do the women come to this place?
  4. How does Joseph’s speech contribute to his disguise?
  5. Why is everyone freaked out?
  6. What frightens or impresses Speedwagon the most?
Personal thoughts on this chapter

I love that even though this came out in the 80s, Joseph is shown crying out of happiness. Like in not just Western, but in Japanese media too, I think there are a lot of expectations of what it means to be manly and Joseph is allowed to be both a physical ideal and also is able to experience and express emotions beyond anger and typical happiness.

And with that, the questions are back on time!

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Answers chapter 56
  1. When he saves him from the ナチス
  2. レロレロレロレロレロ
  3. They want to work as maids to support their families. As a sidenote, the size difference here is hilarious
  4. He’s using あたし, elongated sentence endings and formal-ish speech (not that it matters, being the hulking heck of a man he is)
  5. Santana did a disappearing act and they forgot to ask for his Venmo to compensate him
  6. The fact that Santana can transform his body at will (I did kinda miss him in this role of overexplaining the current situation lol)
    This image of him being scared with the nazis is pretty funny too
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Lmao, venmo.

Nice work :ok_hand:

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CW: major body horror

Chapter 13 (57) JoJo VS.究極生物・「柱の男・サンタナ」その4Questions
  1. Can you sum up what each character (Speedwagon, Stroheim, JoJo) is concerned about in a few words? (how about under five for a challenge)
  2. What comparisons does Stroheim make regarding Santana?
  3. Why is Santana’s speech in katakana?
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Answers
  1. Speedwagon: Santana outside = Bad
    Stroheim: Santana under control = promotion
    Josefu: Santana Bleh. Speedwagon safe = Erina happy.
  2. He says he’s like a monke, simply copying their actions or words but not actually understanding them. Then he forms a cohesive sentence and our amazing Speedwagon is back with the exposition that he actually smart.
  3. I think they do that usually because of a strong accent, which would make sense since he is just now learning to speak the language whilst originally speaking some sort of american language (a bit envious of him right now, not gonna lie)
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My apologies! I was crazy busy today and will try to work on the next chapter and reply tomorrow. Sorry Fyrember!!

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Hell yeah! I love your phrasing for Joseph too :ok_hand:

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I’ll start working on the late chapter tonight. I’m sorry for the delays. It’s been a busy week with lots of math lol

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Chapter 究極生物に波紋!・「柱の男・サンタナ」その5 Questions
  1. What is Joseph trying to get Santana to do? How specific is he?

Wow, so only one question for last week’s reading. Hopefully I’ll have this week’s up tomorrow.

Personal thoughts on this chapter

Joseph’s quip about turning Santana into a museum piece was pretty funny

Also, with the usage of war at the end, I can’t help but wonder just how closely Araki draws the comparison between the nazi gov and the pillarmen

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Answer and thoughts

Not even speedwagon, our dear narrator, knows what this means lol. It seems to be a cutesy variation of Happy, 嬉しい, よろしくね (which would somehow prove he’s not evil, just anti-nazi, which is a reasonable stance),but if it’s referencing something I have no clue what it is lol

Thoughts: I think it might be the other usage of 戦争, as in Joseph can’t compete with Santana

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Ok, but what’s his goal with this friendly display? If you’d like a hint, what’s different about it from when the nazis interacted with Santana?

I think this is a great idea and you’re onto to something good here, although I do also think it’s a bit more relevant later in this arc and the Part as a whole.

Personal thoughts (spoilers for this Part)I think it’s fascinating how Araki intentionally ties together so many aspects of 戦争 and thematically as well- nazis and their hostile takeover (Italy, Mexico) along with their ideals of what makes a superior/ultimate man, Kars superior/ultimate being (not just with the stone, but the vampire/pillarman angle as well), Joseph’s and Caesar’s own rivalries along with their war with how they cope with generational trauma since vampires/pillarmen are directly responsible for the lack of both grandfathers and fathers in their lives, also the war between ancient and new (pillarmen/hamon warriors vs nazi tech/SPW foundation tech). It’s so well thought out and I can’t believe it’s taken me 2 watches and being on a reread to finally pick up on it. I also think it’s interesting how Part 7/8/9 spoilers he skipped over giving Part 2 its own revival in the new universe.

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Reply to reply: Yes, he is trying to be friendly cause he thinks santana might not be bad, and is just defending himself from the nazis. He wants to befriend santana basically
Part 8 spoilers: I mean, we didn’t get the vampires in part 1 so it went into the rock human/pillarman parallel in the mashup that is jojolion. I think it makes sense thematically, since araki didn’t want to reinsert hamon at all since it is a lot more constraining of a concept than stands are

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Ah I haven’t read Part 8 yet but I’ve heard of them.Rock people being pillarmen’s counterpart sounds interesting

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Hey sorry for the delays with the vocab sheet and questions. I’m not sure how long I’ll be behind, but I’d be surprised if I got caught up this week

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Chapter 15 (59) 完璧なる作戦ッ!!・「柱の男・サンタナ」その6Questions
  1. What does Joseph compare Santana to? Why?
  2. What does Stroheim compare the situation to? Why?
  3. Why is Speedwagon freaking out?
  4. Why does Joseph try this method? How does he describe his choice to use this method?
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Answers
  1. He compares his skin to straizo’s scarf, cause it also seems to dissipate his Hamon attacks


3. Cause Joseph got winded and seemed to be unable to use his Hamon while he was being absorbed by Santana
4. I think he reasons that since the outside is dispersing the Hamon energy attacks, then that must be because the inside is sensitive to it, and this was the way to get in contact with it

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