# X は Y です is Y a noun, adjective, or neither? **URL:** \ **Category:** Japanese Language\ **Created:** [June 21, 2017, 4:51am UTC](https://community.wanikani.com/t/x-%E3%81%AF-y-%E3%81%A7%E3%81%99-is-y-a-noun-adjective-or-neither/18560 "2017-06-21T04:51:29Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 9\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![charliec364](https://cdck-file-uploads-global.s3.dualstack.us-west-2.amazonaws.com/wanikanicommunity/original/3X/f/d/fd4c154120954695f788402f3bcf4e616499bc2d.png) [@charliec364](https://community.wanikani.com/u/charliec364)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2017, 4:51am UTC](https://community.wanikani.com/t/x-%E3%81%AF-y-%E3%81%A7%E3%81%99-is-y-a-noun-adjective-or-neither/18560/1 "2017-06-21T04:51:29Z")
I’m coming to realize my sense of adjectives vs nouns is a bit fast and loose, because often in English the noun and adjective form of a word is the same. For example, black is both an adjective and a noun. Where in Japanese the noun form is 黒 and the i-adjective form is 黒い The black dog =\> black is an adjective. 黒い犬。 The dog is black =\> Not sure is black is an adjective or noun here. Not the primary question, but would be curious to know! At any rate, would the correct translation be 犬は黒です or 犬は黒いです or more generally, can Y be a noun, i-adjective, or neither? Thanks! ---
**Author:** ![Leebo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/wanikanicommunity/user_avatar/community.wanikani.com/leebo/32/439476_2.png) [@Leebo](https://community.wanikani.com/u/Leebo)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2017, 4:56am UTC](https://community.wanikani.com/t/x-%E3%81%AF-y-%E3%81%A7%E3%81%99-is-y-a-noun-adjective-or-neither/18560/2 "2017-06-21T04:56:22Z")
In your example, it has to be the adjective. Unless the dog is literally not a dog and is in fact a color, black. I guess you could imagine that being poetic somehow. An example of using the noun would be 好きな色はなんですか What is your favorite color? (好きな色は)黒です (As for my favorite color) It’s black Since you’re asking what “Y” could be in general, it could also be a な adjective. ---
**Author:** ![charliec364](https://cdck-file-uploads-global.s3.dualstack.us-west-2.amazonaws.com/wanikanicommunity/original/3X/f/d/fd4c154120954695f788402f3bcf4e616499bc2d.png) [@charliec364](https://community.wanikani.com/u/charliec364)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2017, 5:16am UTC](https://community.wanikani.com/t/x-%E3%81%AF-y-%E3%81%A7%E3%81%99-is-y-a-noun-adjective-or-neither/18560/3 "2017-06-21T05:16:11Z")
I see, so it’s 犬は黒いです then? Also, would it be a stretch to say that anything of the form X wa Y desu, where Y is an adjective, the desu basically means =? ---
**Author:** ![crihak](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/wanikanicommunity/user_avatar/community.wanikani.com/crihak/32/6630_2.png) [@crihak](https://community.wanikani.com/u/crihak)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2017, 5:22am UTC](https://community.wanikani.com/t/x-%E3%81%AF-y-%E3%81%A7%E3%81%99-is-y-a-noun-adjective-or-neither/18560/4 "2017-06-21T05:22:51Z")
Doesn’t です always mean roughly “=”? (Since it pretty much means “is/am”) ---
**Author:** ![gizmo](https://cdck-file-uploads-global.s3.dualstack.us-west-2.amazonaws.com/wanikanicommunity/original/3X/f/d/fd4c154120954695f788402f3bcf4e616499bc2d.png) [@gizmo](https://community.wanikani.com/u/gizmo)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2017, 5:36am UTC](https://community.wanikani.com/t/x-%E3%81%AF-y-%E3%81%A7%E3%81%99-is-y-a-noun-adjective-or-neither/18560/5 "2017-06-21T05:36:53Z")
In sentences of the form X wa Y desu, where Y is an adjective, the desu is just a politeness indicator. So 犬は黒いです is a more polite way of saying 犬は黒い ---
**Author:** ![Leebo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/wanikanicommunity/user_avatar/community.wanikani.com/leebo/32/439476_2.png) [@Leebo](https://community.wanikani.com/u/Leebo)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2017, 5:39am UTC](https://community.wanikani.com/t/x-%E3%81%AF-y-%E3%81%A7%E3%81%99-is-y-a-noun-adjective-or-neither/18560/6 "2017-06-21T05:39:46Z")
Yeah, です has no meaning after an い adjective other than politeness. It is not a copula. Because an い adjective cannot take a copula. ---
**Author:** ![AzusaChan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/wanikanicommunity/user_avatar/community.wanikani.com/azusachan/32/506504_2.png) [@AzusaChan](https://community.wanikani.com/u/AzusaChan)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2017, 4:25pm UTC](https://community.wanikani.com/t/x-%E3%81%AF-y-%E3%81%A7%E3%81%99-is-y-a-noun-adjective-or-neither/18560/7 "2017-06-21T16:25:54Z")
You can just say 黒い犬 too instead of using the pattern. But, you probably know that and just wanted to know about the pattern, thought I’d mention it anyways. ---
**Author:** ![Otterman](https://cdck-file-uploads-global.s3.dualstack.us-west-2.amazonaws.com/wanikanicommunity/original/3X/f/d/fd4c154120954695f788402f3bcf4e616499bc2d.png) [@Otterman](https://community.wanikani.com/u/Otterman)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2017, 6:20pm UTC](https://community.wanikani.com/t/x-%E3%81%AF-y-%E3%81%A7%E3%81%99-is-y-a-noun-adjective-or-neither/18560/8 "2017-06-22T18:20:41Z")
In anything with the form XはYです, です is a politeness indicator for a sentence with a meaning equivalent to the English sentence, “X is Y”, but です itself does not necessarily mean “is”. It can be a confusing concept to native English speakers but XはY already has the meaning of “X is Y” even without です. You probably know that だ is also used in some sentences where です would be appropriate, but there is something pretty important you need to know; they don’t have the same meaning. 犬は黒い だ would be incorrect because い adjectives already have the “is” meaning and putting だ on top which also has the meaning sounds weird. 犬は黒いです is correct because です at the end is not adding any additional meaning to the sentence. Don’t worry about it too much. This concept will come naturally later. ---
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