When should I start over?

That happens to me now and level 24 was only around 8 months ago for me. :wink:

The thing I’ve found is that you have to read to make any of it stick long term.

I would advise to just keep reading and working through your reviews.

The problem is that most people underestimate both their ability to be disciplined with it and the value of vocab.

The vocab reinforces the kanji in much the same way that reading does: it provides context.

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Yes, entirely agreed. I assumed it was originally designed to be complimentary for our benefit. Just to clarify, I didn’t mean the script re-order is a bad tool or anything though (I say sorry to mystery script writer as I go dumpster diving in hot lava). I can see the usefulness for specific users such as advanced learners starting WK or something.

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That’s normal, better get used to it :smiley:. Especially if you don’t read enough habitually. But when you look up a word on Jisho, which you have burned, you’ll probably remember that word for at least 6 months, during which it will appear again if you immerse enough. No point in going through an SRS from zero with those words. You will get HEAVILY overtested and get pointless reviews.

If you really want to do it, I’d recommend doing it with Anki, where you can customize the intervals, suspend cards, and affect the behavior of failed cards.

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If you navigate to a radical/kanji/word in WK, you can “unburn” it. I do this pretty regularly when I encounter something in the wild that I’ve forgotten. I find a little SRS gets it back in my active memory pretty quickly.

I think this is better approach than rewinding to an earlier level.

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You are 60 so move along! Not from forums…

And then there was Leebo…

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Wow, Kindle is able to do that ? Does it have a dictionnary as full as Rikai chan, so you can select any mix of characters and analyse them ?

Am I the only one who uses reorder such that the kanji goes to the forefront, but still bring my reviews down to 0 every day?

What you do is press one of the characters in the word and then it automatically selects what it thinks the whole word is. Then if it parses it wrong you can change the highlighted characters yourself. Once you do that it gives you a dictionary look up of either Japanese to English (with example sentences) or Japanese word definition. It also does a quick wikipedia search for you too which is helpful for Scientific terms or Historic events (stuff that an encyclopedia would be good for and not a dictionary). It also lets you select an entire sentence which you can then Bing translate to English automatically. While the dictionary is not always useful especially for old words and kanji (had a problem reading old books like 人間失格) it is pretty dynamic in terms of what it does and how fast and conveniently it does it. When I started reading I lived in Japan so I would get whatever light novels I felt like there, it was a pain in the but to lookup kanji or the furigana of a word I forgot or didn’t know. So when I moved back to Canada I started reading e-books because I couldn’t get the real thing. In the end the convenience for a language learner made it so easy to learn I’ll probably find it hard to go back to paper books (Probably better for the environment anyway)

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I think he was gearing up to take the Kanji Kentei the second time around so there’s that. :wink:

I use Tsurukame on my phone to do the same thing, but I set it so that I don’t see the current level Kanji until I clear out the previous level vocab. I still see the radicals as soon as I level, but they’re much less useful to me since level 40 or so since they often end up being Kanji themselves usually.

Oh, wanikani, how I long for you, and yet torment myself over your knowledge!


I still wanna start over, this time around using Kamesame simultaneously, but I think, after reading what everyone here thinks, I may indeed simply wait until I finish my lessons and reviews.

Thanks, everyone, for your help with this. If anyone has any other advice, regarding good ways to study hardcore for the N2 exam over the course of a year, or on studying in general, or using Wanikani, I’d love to hear of it!

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Do you need to start over? Can’t you unburn the kanji from the 20 levels?

I suppose I could; I’ve never unburnt anything before. Does it add it as a new lesson, and you start it as an apprentice, or does it just go down to guru?

Not a new lesson, but it goes back to Apprentice I

Hm. I suppose, in that case, it’d be best to finish my lessons and my reviews, then go back and unburn all the vocabulary and kanji I don’t remember. For some reason, I keep thinking of starting over as simpler, but unburning would be a better use of time, rather than using up hours going over ones I already know.

How many users here unburn items?

Enough to create this:

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Try not to get too down on yourself about this. I work in Japanese every day, and occasionally I still find myself looking up a word that I (supposedly) learned years ago. Trust that some fragment of a memory of such words are still somewhere in your brain, and revisiting them like this is helping to better cement that memory!

I can’t advise one way or another on WK, but I agree with those like @morteasd who are encouraging you to do more reading if you’re not yet. If you’re prepping for N2, that means you can probably now read a fair amount of material without too big a headache. Doing lots of reading practice helps with the upper-level JLPTs, I think, because you learn how to read faster and skim, which means you’re not so frantic when you’re taking the test.

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You know, that might be the real issue for me. Perhaps I’m using Wanikani as a means to avoid learning more on my level. Like, if I just keep at kanji, I’m still studying, but it’s never hard. I took the N2 a couple of years ago and failed by around 10 points, but it really wasn’t so disastrously difficult to me, I just had trouble with the listening comprehension and reading sections. Perhaps I just need to be honest with myself about what I need to be working on.

Thanks, friend!


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Aha! Understandable–it’s hard to leave a ready-made system for more fuss and bother. But I’d say you’re definitely ready to leap further into books. In fact, you might find it less difficult than you expected.

You probably already know FloFlo, since you’ve been active on WK for a lot longer than me. I find that a little advance vocab study on FloFlo makes reading a breeze!

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