Ways in which WK has disappointed me, personally

When I’m this sweaty… no limits of rudeness

Sorry I said a bad word :wink:. Given the topic at hand, though, I am enjoying this nice warm irony bath.

Indeed. The story was covered by quite a lot of press when it happened. The specific school is named, the names of the teachers and parents are all on record, and Bishop Michael Nazir-Ali responded to the situation. However, I don’t think you are genuinely concerned about the reliability of the news report.

Did you read the article? It was a Christmas celebration. No one was forced to join. And those that felt they could not participate, for religious reasons, are hardly ostracised. Just as those who do not attend Eid or Diwali celebrations are not ostracized.

Again, did you actually read the article, or even my previous replies? Far from forcing the children to sing religious songs, the Head Teacher, as I have already explained, ordered that references to Jesus as “Lord” be removed from Christmas Carols in order that non-Christians were able to participate in the celebration.

What a bleak vision of the world you have. For myself, I love a world in which all the various communities can express and celebrate their faiths in freedom, with no one telling them to keep their beliefs to themselves and no one trying to censor their songs.

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Except that your dream world is majority Christian and everyone else is marginalized. By virtue of its ubiquity, Christmas is basically mandatory and opting out is indeed putting yourself in a very small group of outsiders. And my world view is anything but bleak. What could be more bleak than a world where in the name of religion we have war, oppression, extensive organized pedophilia, stonings, mutilations, genocides, etc etc etc? And Tom Cruise’s spaceship.

No. If you share a link from a known and trusted source, I would. I saw the headline and photo and recognized it as likely propaganda.

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I’m disappointed that I can only burn 金玉 once

There’s a second way, but it involves lighter fluid, and I don’t think you’d enjoy it. :neutral_face:

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Although I wasn’t the one asking for it, I’m still kibitzing because this looks like a good thing. どもありがとうございます :slight_smile:

The school is in Essex, UK, which is 66% Christian, according to the 2011 census. When the new census is taken next year that figure will have dropped considerably. Are you suggesting that in Essex over a third of the people are marginalised?

These are old arguments and I’m not going to go over them all here. You clearly dislike religion and you wish to argue with someone about it. That’s just fine but I’m not the person for it. I’m off to bed now. I wish you well.

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I have zero sympathy as I bask in the calm sunlight and gentle breeze of Newcastle.

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Is that… Nicolas Cage?

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I alway love sentences like “taking the Christ out of Christmas”. In 10 years of learning the english language I didn’t make that connection :joy: It makes me wonder if english the only language where the name for the festival has a religious meaning.
But really Christmas is just a pagan festival that turned into a festival for the economy and consumerism.

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History shows clearly that you can have 80-90% of a population that is suppressed and discriminated against by the 10-20% in power.
A percentage like that is meaningless unless you say what percentage the people in power belong to.

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It seems like Ecosia failed me :joy: But now that I know what to look for I can see that it is still in the top ten of the results. I just didn’t look that closely while scrolling down since 99% of it was gay porn.
I feel like Ecosia is generally not great when it comes to japanese related things.

also @d-hermit

I think there was both good and bad with the changing of the mnemonics. I think getting rid of pop culture references is generally a good idea because how do you decide what culture you’re going to reference? There are plenty of people on Wanikani not from the U.S., or the west in general, so having mnemonics about Charlie Sheen and mullets aren’t universally helpful.

However, there were others that weren’t pop culture references, like Joseph Stalin or boobs, that are memorable precisely because of their ability to conjure up emotions, that were removed for no apparent reason. I tend to suspect it was out of fear of offending a very sensitive, very vocal, minority whose mental health is so fragile they probably shouldn’t be anywhere near the internet, let alone Wanikani. I’m a woman and can’t fathom any reason why boobs would be offensive to anyone. They exist, everyone knows what they are, and everyone has feelings about them, all things that make them perfect for a mnemonic. Nowhere on the site does Wanikani pretend to be child or family-friendly (otherwise why would mnemonics like “sexy” still exist?) so what other reason could there be for getting rid of mnemonics including boobs? The cowardice of sacrificing objectively more memorable mnemonics because of an over-sensitive vocal minority is what makes me and many people angry. Effectiveness should be the primary determinant of whether to keep a mnemonic. For a mnemonic to be effective, it needs to be widely recognizable and elicit a strong emotional response. Ah sh**!! is better than shih-tzu. Boobs are better than clouds. Joseph Stalin is better than Jourm. That’s what should matter and that’s what bothers me about getting rid of them. If you’re going to sacrifice effectiveness at the alter of people’s feelings in this instance, where else and for what other reasons are you going to sacrifice effectiveness?

Wanikani can do whatever they want. I’m grateful that they at least gave older users the option of keeping the old mnemonics. They didn’t have to do that and I’m grateful. I’m also grateful that they got rid of some of the pop culture mnemonics which weren’t very helpful to me. On the whole, though, the new mnemonics are much more watered down, less memorable, and less effective than the old ones, which is disappointing because that’s the whole point of using Wanikani in the first place.

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Yes I still remember the mnemonic about Taira banks for 平ら. Because many people have no clue who she is, they just used mnemonics like flat tyre since that is more universal.

I agree with all your points but I figured that there are no boob references because Wanikani is US American and the USA is famous for being prude so it might make people uncomfortable or something. At least I have seen several people that were uncomfortable with other things going in the sexual direction on the forum. I normally use the mnemonics from Kanji damage anyway because I struggle remembering two different mnemonics, one for radicals and one for the reading while Kanji damage has one mnemonic for both.

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OP, I totally agree with you, especially on the mnemonics part. I HATE WK’s mnemonics so much. The vast majority of them are huge dumb essays that I can never for the life of me remember. I am going through genki and using Memrize app for its words, and user mnemonics there are so much better. I’m halfway through genki 1 and I still remember words from the beginning of genki 1 simply because their mnemonics stick with me. Kouchi’s dont. There are some vocab words from 5+ lvls ago that I keep getting wrong over and over.

I found that there was a script that had a community mnemonics option but that script got abandoned. I’m using kanjidamage for kanji mnemonics a lot but I can’t find any websites for vocab mnemonics and coming up on my own with mnemonics gets tiring fast.

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They got rid of Hard Gay? That sucks, I really enjoyed whenever he would show up in lessons; Actually I was introduced to him through Wanikani, like most of us presumably were.

I agree that stroke order would be useful on kanji! But I wouldn’t say I’m ‘disappointed’ that it isn’t there.

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You probably shouldn’t assume. I can’t speak for thebyron, but I’m gay and old enough to remember real oppression. I started Wanikani back when those mnemonics existed and didn’t find “hard gay” offensive in the least. I thought it was funny and memorable.

I actually find your assumption that gay people are so fragile that we can’t handle language like that to be way more offensive than the language itself. Do you really think so lowly of us that our “mental wellness” is at stake over such a trivial thing?

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I’ll just chime in for the Stalin mnemonics… I get it that most of the people here don’t either care or really know who he was outside from having to read about him in history class, so maybe having him in a mnemonic doesn’t seem like a big deal, but I grew up in a country occupied by Soviet Russia and my family has suffered a lot because of that man and the regime he created.

If you want to use him in your own mnemonic, go ahead, you do you, nobody is taking away the option from you, but I personally hated that Wanikani asked me to imagine him as the default when I completed the course. And it’s not because I’m fragile or mentally unwell, as some people here have insinuated that anyone taking offence to a mnemonic must be, but because to me it was frankly obscene. So kudos to WK for getting rid of that guy from the default mnemonics.

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