Venting about WK's 中途半端 commitment to radicals

I just need to vent about this for a moment, as it’s been driving me crazy since about level 6. I don’t expect solutions, and I certainly don’t expect WK to rework their whole system to satisfy my preferences, but I’m sure I’m not the only one bothered by this, so please humor me as I blow off some steam by posting here.

WK purports to present a system in which radicals are presented as building blocks that can then be used to help us learn and remember kanji. That’s a great approach, and I wholeheartedly embrace it. Remembering the Kanji (RTK) uses this same approach in a very consistent, well-thought-out way, but I jumped to WK before getting very far in RTK because I want to learn readings for the kanji, while RTK teaches only a single keyword definition for each kanji, with no readings or associated vocab.
In RTK, any kanji learned can subsequently be used as a radical. And why not? You’ve already learned what it means, so why not leverage that where that kanji is used as a component in another kanji?

My gripe is that WK seems only half-committed to this radical building block approach, which leads to inefficiency and sometimes confusion on my part.

First, WK appears to have adopted a rule that nothing can be used as a radical until it’s been presented as a blue radical card. For example, sometimes a WK teaches a radical, and then subsequently teaches a kanji that is identical to that radical. E.g., 工, with the radical (blue card) and then the kanji (pink card) both taught on level 1. This seems a bit redundant to me - that’s two lessons to teach one thing. I can see where WK is coming from, and I appreciate the consistency of the rule, but it’s definitely not the way I’d have gone.
In other cases, WK teaches a kanji, and then subsequently teaches a radical that is identical to that kanji. E.g., 兄 is taught as a kanji (pink card) at level 5 as a combination of the radicals 口 and 儿, then as a radical (blue card) at level 11 before referencing it as a radical in subsequent kanji. Again, I appreciate the consistency in sticking to the rule of defining something as a radical before using it in subsequent kanji, but why do we need redundant blue cards for that? Why can’t we just have a note at the bottom of the pink kanji card that says “Hey, we’ll use this as a radical meaning ‘big brother’ in future kanji”?

If the only down side to this approach was the need to work through a few more blue cards, then it wouldn’t really bother me. But the real harm I see in WK’s approach is that many, many kanji appear as radicals in other kanji - too many to give them all their own blue cards. WK certainly doesn’t give them all blue cards. Instead, WK simply ignores that the kanji are functioning as radicals at all. I submit that this substantially undermines the building-block approach. Kanji that could be used very effectively as building blocks for other kanji are not acknowledged as having any connection, and are therefore often taught out of building-block order.

Here are a few examples (though I could cite many more):
花 Flower is taught at level 4 as a combination of 艹, イ, and 匕; while 化 Change is taught at level 6. Why not teach 化 first, then teach 花 as a combination of 艹 and 化? This would provide substantial additional reinforcement of 化 by tying it into a mnemonic for 花. (Ironically, 化 is given a blue card at level 27; I really wish that blue card came before 花.)
試 9 Try; 式 15 Ritual
線 10 Line; 泉 12 Spring
院 10 Institute; 完 14 Perfect
運 10 Carry; 連 19 Take along (what an easy association this would be!)

In some cases, this lack of radical association is especially frustrating because the kanji share an onyomi, which would be obvious to the student if the basic kanji was recognized as a radical in the other kanji:
努 11 Toil; 怒 27 Angry; 奴 34 Dude/Guy - All have the same reading ど.
館 13 Public building; 官 17 Government - this is a very easy radical association, and both are かん.

In some cases, WK even corrupts proper building block association, to conform a kanji to WK’s artificially small set of blue-card radicals. The following example was the trigger for me to finally post this rant today:
睡 Drowsy is taught at level 27 as a combination of 目 and 車. Really? 車 is clearly not the radical included in 睡. The form is visually different, the stroke order is different, the number of strokes is different. Also, the mnemonic presented for 睡 is mediocre, at best. But then at level 33 we learn 垂 Dangle/Droop. This is obviously the radical in 睡! What’s more, the meaning of 睡 is an obvious combination of 目 and 垂: drooping eyes mean you’re drowsy. To top it all off, 垂 and 睡 share the same onyomi: すい.
It blows my mind that WK doesn’t make this connection, but I assume it’s because 垂 doesn’t appear as a radical anywhere else, so WK doesn’t want to give it its own blue card. And thus we see the drawback to the blue card methodology.

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Yep I noticed these short falls too. I’ve successfully requested to add kanji components to visually similar kanji (e.g, 童 under 瞳 and 憧) but it’s like too much work for the user to point every one of these instances out. I use Ringotan with the RTK order but this leads to sometimes learning obscure kanji early on that aren’t that useful.

What really irks me is when WK changes the radical meanings in service of mnemonics. In those instances I create a user synonym according to the Chinese dictionary definition for accurate etymology. :face_exhaling:

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I appreciate that you’ve done that; including these as visually similar kanji is a good minimum step, to help the student connect the kanji in their mind. But the visually similar kanji list doesn’t even appear on the Meaning page of a new kanji lesson. One of the major benefits of using kanji as radicals for subsequent kanji would come from integrating the earlier kanji’s meaning into the mnemonic for remembering the later kanji. As I previously argued, that would provide additional reinforcement of the meaning of the earlier kanji every time the later kanji is reviewed. That’s a big part of what makes this building block method so powerful.

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I agree with you! I’ve noticed many times when a kanji containing a previously learned kanji-radical is broken down into blue card radical elements, when recognizing the kanji element as a whole is simpler and more intuitive. I’m sure I’ve not caught all instances of this, especially when on a time crunch, but when I do I end up having to think up my own mnemonic to suit the components. I think if these instances were already included in the system it would be way more effective for reinforcing learned kanji and understanding the origin of new ones.

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This is indeed my biggest gripe with WK. A large frustration is when I see a kanji I can’t recall, so I try to remember what was the mnemonic for it, but then I don’t know how WK wants it subdivided. What were the radicals again? Hmm… it’s clearly just a combination of two kanji I know well, but are these kanji actually radicals on their own, or did WK consider it a 3/4/5 radical combination? Besides, mnemonics with more than, say, 3 radicals I can’t remember anyway.

The further I’m coming the worse this seems to get, because I’m learning more and more kanji that are not single radicals themselves, but did already appear in earlier kanji as components (= more than one radical). By now (level 39) it’s now often impossible for me to reconstruct the radical breakdown for a kanji I’m seeing. So at that point, the radicals are kind of useless. That is especially frustrating given that most kanji have a perfectly fine breakdown in two other kanji I already know.

But I guess this would be extremely hard to change, even if the developers wanted to. After all, it would really influence the level-up rhythm. It seems that around level 30-40, the new radicals are spread out such that these don’t all become “fast levels”, which is probably a good thing to prevent people from burning out.

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