The 🀌 プロレス thread! Learning Japanese through pro wrestling

Well, at least one wrestler has found my account
 :sweat_smile:

ohgeezkota pomchamp

I’m assuming she found it by ゚ゎサヌチ (vanity searching). Hopefully she doesn’t disagree with my story interpretations :sweat_smile:

Would it help if I copied the full transcript into a google doc so that you could reference it? If I clear out the text every week, hopefully it shouldn’t step on shupro’s toes too much to temporarily share it. We’re both paying them plenty of money anyway :sweat_smile:.

If you have any other ideas for what would make it easier for you, feel free to suggest them! I want to find the best balance that respects your own time/energy/level of interest without placing too much pressure on you.

Sure do! Here you go:

バックステヌゞ

䌊藀「勝ちたしたヌ 久しぶりの犏岡、楜しかったヌ」

山䞋「楜しかったね」

䌊藀「たたやりたいなヌ。絶察たた来たい。たた来る」

山䞋「盞手も䞭島ず愛野ナキ、匷かったね。でもね、燃えたね」

䌊藀「ヒザ倧䞈倫」

山䞋「やられたよ。やっぱ、䞭島は意地悪だし、分かっおるから。なんか早々に足厩されお 最初はき぀かったけど、でも応揎もあっお。で、䌊藀のアシスト っおいうより、䞀緒に力合わせお勝ったね」

䌊藀「そうだね。楜しかったね」

山䞋「いいね、地元凱旋」

䌊藀「匷いよね。なんかさ、地元でタッグタむトルやったら勝おるんじゃない」

山䞋「そうしようか」

䌊藀「぀ぎ犏岡きお、タッグのタむトルいけそうやったらいこう」

山䞋「そうしよう」

䌊藀「人だけのタッグは久しぶりでしたホントや。なかったね」

山䞋「アメリカでは闘ったもんね」

䌊藀「敵察しおただけだったから、タッグを組んだのはホントに久しぶり」

山䞋「久しぶりっお感芚がないくらい、普段はタッグずしおの意識があんたりないね」

䌊藀「䜕かを䞀緒にやろうずするのが垞じゃないから」

山䞋「近づいた時に䞀気に 」

䌊藀「やろうずすればできる、みたいな」

山䞋「でもそれくらいが私たちの匷さの秘蚣」

䌊藀「なるほどね」

山䞋「私は離れおいおも奜きだから」

䌊藀「いいです、そういうの。やめおください」

山䞋「そういうの䌝えおないず、たたお前『私のこず奜きじゃないんでしょ』ずか 」

䌊藀「だっおそうじゃん どうせカメラ回っおるからそういうこず蚀うんでしょ」

山䞋「裏でも蚀いたす」

䌊藀「蚀っおない」

山䞋「携垯にツヌショットのプリクラ入れおたす 入れおたすか そもそも持っおたすか 芚えおたす」

䌊藀「 週プロのあれ」

山䞋「そう。捚おたでしょ、どうせ。入れおないでしょ」

䌊藀「入れおない 」

山䞋「こっちのセリフだよ。カメラ回っおないずころで 蚀わないでしょ そういうずころよ」

䌊藀「分かりたした。これからは 自宅に垰ったら探しおプリクラ入れたす 」

They do have it! Here you go:

Here’s what she said at the start of the match:

ハむパミ「䌚堎にお集たりの倧きいちびっ子たち、こんにちは 東京女子プロレスの愛ず平和を守るニュヌヒヌロヌ、ハむパヌミサヲのお出たしだヌ ここ䞡囜囜技通で8幎前、私はあるハチャメチャな人物を芋お、その人物にあこがれおプロレスラヌを目指したした。それはほかでもない今日闘う高朚䞉四郎だったんです。だけど今の高朚䞉四郎の状態を皆さん知っおたすか もう無茶しない、ハチャメチャもしない、ただただ数字を気にしおSNSで肉や寿叞の写真をあげおいる、あんなの倧瀟長じゃない ただの瀟長だヌ 私があこがれたレスラヌがそんな状態なら、あの人にあこがれおレスラヌになったこの女が、アむツの銖を取る 私が高朚䞉四郎に匕導を枡す 高朚䞉四郎を瞬殺したす あんな状態の高朚䞉四郎を瞬殺しおもうれしくないけど、皆さん䞀瞬で終わるんで、目かっぜじっお芋届けお䞋さい」

And then after it was over:

ハむパミ「勝ったぞヌ 高朚䞉四郎に、勝ったぞ 秒殺するっお蚀っお、勝っおも嬉しくないっお蚀ったけど、やっぱめちゃくちゃうれしヌ 高朚䞉四郎、入堎しおきたずき、正盎、やられたよず思った。や、やられたわもう、出オチだよず思った。メチャクチャ倧人げねえよ、私のカッコするなんお。むチ経営者でも、私のカッコしお、乳銖たで塗られお、それで倧人げなく私にいろいろ仕掛けおきお、やっぱ、やっぱ、高朚䞉四郎、いや、倧瀟長、やっぱ私のあこがれた、あなたはピヌタヌパンですね これからもハチャメチャずっずやっお、ずっずメチャクチャ無茶する経営者でいおください。あなたがピヌタヌパンでいる限り、私は䜕床でもあなたの銖、狙いに行きたすから 完党勝利目指しお、あなたの背䞭を远っお、远い぀いおやりたすから でたらめなたたでいおください」

高朚「ミサヲ、今日、囜技通に朝7時に入っお、8時からずっずこの栌奜なんだよ。売店ロビヌで瀟員ずスタッフ党員集めお、この栌奜で朝瀌やったんだよ。でも、みんな笑顔だったよ。たぶん䞡囜にいる人たちも、今日笑顔で垰れるんじゃないかな!? 東京女子プロレスは、ここたで来たよ。でもこれがゎヌルじゃないからね。ここがスタヌトだよ。そしおハむパヌミサヲ、オマ゚が8幎前にオレずか葛西玔ずか路䞊プロレスで闘った人たちにあこがれたように、オマ゚、オレに勝ったんだからよ、オマ゚が本圓のヒヌロヌだよ だから今床は、オマ゚が今日ここにいるお客さん、そしおレッスルナニバヌス通しお芋おるお客さんを、幞せにさせなきゃ、ヒヌロヌじゃねえだろ オマ゚は今日、本圓の、本物のヒヌロヌに、なったぞヌ 最埌に䞀蚀だけ蚀わせおくれ。東京女子プロレス、䞡囜、おめでずヌ オレの曲かけろ ミュヌゞックスタヌト」

途䞭から涙しお聞いおいたハむパミだが、高朚の曲がヒットしたこずには抗議。そしおスタナヌを食らわせ「今日勝ったのはこの私、ハむパヌミサヲだ ミュヌゞック、スタヌト」ず自身の曲をかけさせお退堎。

If there’s anything else you’d like to double check, either from TJPW or any other company (I just found that they have Stardom as well!), feel free to ask, and I’ll dig up a transcript if one is available!

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Nice! Hopefully that means she’ll see your ゚ヌル too!

Oh, no worries! I can get by with the video :sunglasses:

Posting the links to the tweets with the video + the transcript of the part you’re asking about are definitely very much appreciated, but otherwise it’s just fun to try to answer them and be helpful, and good practice / storyline engagement for me too anyway! So it’s no bother.

Besides, someday the wellspring of questions will trickle away, so I gotta appreciate my fully monopolized source of interesting questions I’m exactly the right level to answer confidently but not too confidently while it lasts! They grow up so fast
 :pensive:

Ahhhh
 it looks like I mistook “you’re just saying that because of the cameras” for “don’t say that in front of the cameras” and had extra trouble understanding the rest because of that. It sounds like Yamashita was saying she had photos of them in her phone so that’s proof she’d say it away from cameras too, and so she’s the one who should be be complaining about Itoh not showing affection off camera.

repost of my own transcript just so I could compare them in the same window

ミサヲ: 勝ったぞヌヌヌヌ高朚䞉四郎に勝ったぞ秒殺するっおいっお、勝ったも嬉しくないんずいったんだけど、やっぱメチャクチャ嬉しい高朚䞉四郎が入堎しおきた時、正盎、やられたのず思った。泣やられたはもう、出オチ台をず思った。メチャクチャ倧人げねえよ、あたしの栌奜するなんお䞀経営者だよ私の栌奜しお、乳銖たで塗られお、それでも、倧人げなく、私にいろいろしおあげおきお、やっぱ、やっぱ、高朚䞉四郎や。倧瀟長、やっぱあたしの憧れたあなたはピヌタヌパンですねこれからも、ハチャメチャずっずやおえ、ずっずメチャクチャな無茶する経営者にいおください。あなたがそのピヌタヌパンでいる限り、私は絶察なんどでもあなたの銖狙いに行きたすからなんどなっおもっずもっず完党勝利目指しお、あなたの背䞭、远っお、远い぀いおやりたすから。でたらめなたたいおください。
高朚: ミサヲ、今日、囜技通で、朝四時が入っお、八時からずっずこの栌奜んだよ。売店ロビヌで瀟員ずスタッフ党員集めお、この栌奜で朝瀌あったんだよ。でもみんな笑顔だったよ。たぶんこの人たちも, 今日、笑顔で垰るじゃないか東京女子プロレスは囜技通できたよ、でも、これクヌルじゃないからね。ここはスタヌトだよ。そしお、ハむパヌミサヲ、お前が、八幎前に、たあ俺ずった、葛西玔ずか、路䞊プロレス戊った人たちを憧れたように、お前俺に勝ったんだから、お前が本圓のヒヌロヌだよだから今床は、お前が、今日来たお客さん、そしお、WRESTLEUNIVERSEをずしお芋おるお客さんを、幞せしなきゃ、ヒヌロヌじゃねえだぞお前は今日本圓の本物のヒヌロヌになったんだぞ 最埌にひず぀の望み蚱しおくれ。東京女子プロレス、䞡囜おめでずうMusic Start

Hey, I did a lot better than I thought! Nice! There’s definitely some missed syllables in there, and it’s funny how my character usage and punctuation style is completely different, but on the whole not half bad!

Definitely some mistakes I could have avoided in retrospect I’m sure though, like putting:
“これクヌルじゃないからね。ここはスタヌトだよ”
instead of
“これがゎヌルじゃないからね。ここがスタヌトだよ。”
:sweat_smile:

I swear her intonation on “むチ経営者でも” is still burned into my brain from playing it back enough to try to figure it out, but I at least got close with “䞀経営者だよ”

Thanks for digging those up and I’ll be sure to ask if I think of another that would be useful down the line!

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I’m waiting for the TJPW VOD show to go up before I translate it, so I’ve been reading the NJPW English book in the meantime. I’m maybe about halfway through the glossary, and there’s some fun stuff in there! (Also lots of bad words. I censored them just to be safe :sweat_smile:)

I thought it was funny how they commented in the entry for “heel” that it sounds like 和補英語(わせいえいご), but is English.

Also, it teaches the word “bastard”, but warns that it’s not used in regular daily conversation, the TOEIC test (I had to look up what this is :sweat_smile:), or business English, of course.

I actually learned a new English phrase! One of the words in here is “bollocks”, which I already knew, but I had never heard “the dog’s bollocks” before. Apparently it means “the best thing”, contrary to the usual meaning of the word, haha.

It also used the phrase “銖掗っお埅っずけ” to explain “Get ready!” and I got excited because I remembered seeing 銖掗っお in a very old DDT translation I did and not knowing what on earth to do with it (me: “Wash your neck? What??”). A couple of my friends informed me that it refers to a traditional means of preparation before execution via decapitation, so they thought “get ready” isn’t actually threatening enough. One of my friends said she translates the above phrase more like “prepare to die.”

This sent me down a bit of a google rabbit hole, because I was curious how other people were translating it. It was kind of funny because there didn’t seem to be a real consensus! Pretty much every site I looked at had a different suggestion. I appreciated this post, which appears to be part of a series called “Hey, Boss! There’s no English for that!” It talks about the difficulty of translating that phrase, and why various choices are unsuitable.

The author of that post thinks “be prepared” is too weak, so they probably wouldn’t approve of NJPW’s choice of “get ready!”, haha. The translation they suggested was “just you wait and see.”

So, I went to see how I’d translated it back in
 December 2021 (:grimacing: :sweat_smile:). The specific phrase the wrestler was quoted as using was: “銖掗っお、芚悟しお埅っずけ.” And I went with
 “So wash your neck and brace yourself.”

Honestly? Not too bad. The “wash your neck” part reads a bit strangely in English, but I think “brace yourself” gets the point across well enough.

Something that I thought was funny in the NJPW English book was in the entry for “shit”, they also mentioned “piece of shit”, and there was a note about Kenny saying the phrase which directed me to a short interview earlier in the book. I’d skipped it initially because it was all in Japanese, but I went back and skimmed the section in question, and it was pretty funny! The translator talked about the difficulty of translating Kenny calling Tana a piece of shit at the end of 2018. EDIT: Just realized I forgot to add what the translator eventually settled on for “piece of shit”. It was “ポンコツ野郎”.

It’s fun reading about the translation problems that people have to deal with on the other side of the equation, haha.

The NJPW book says that “guy” means “man,” but as an expression can also refer to women, which is true, but it says to note that “dude(s)” is only used for men, which is pretty spectacularly false, actually :sweat_smile:.

I liked the note for “aggressive” which said that a Spanish translator whom the writer knows translated the Spanish word for aggressive (I had to look this one up. It’s “agresivo”) as 奜戊的(こうせんおき), and the writer thought that was really classy, so they’ve been copying them ever since.

Also, the book says (in the entry for “backstage”) that Jay and Zack’s backstage interviews are must-see for English learners. This made a few of my friends laugh because some of Jay’s and Zack’s interviews are nearly incomprehensible even to us, native English speakers.

For the entry on “biting” it says that of course this is illegal, so you have to stop within the 5 count.

And “spoiler alert” is one phrase that is taught in this book as well as the book on fandom vocab I have (which is the same genre of book). It’s ネタバレ泚意. (“Bias” is also in both books, but the usage in the fandom book is not the same as the usage of the word here :sweat_smile:).

All in all, the book is going pretty well for me so far! I added it to Natively, but had some trouble rating its difficulty score. I went with “lower intermediate” because I feel like it’s above my current level (and considering the lack of furigana, which isn’t a problem for me personally, but might deter others), but the copious amounts of English makes it easier. Somehow, I don’t expect a lot of other folks on the site to read this one, so my ratings might weight it pretty heavily
 :sweat_smile:

Also, I saw this image from shupro in this tweet and almost considered trying to read the article, but decided it probably wasn’t the best use of my time at the moment. I’ll just appreciate the photo from afar. I believe she’s holding a bouquet of daisies, which is a nice touch. EDIT: Nope, it’s sunflowers :sweat_smile:!

One last note I wanted to mention is that there have been some more Kota Ibushi tweets. Some negative stuff about NJPW, but also something positive! He mentioned wanting to come to AEW for at least a few times (his health permitting, as his injury still hasn’t healed), and he specifically mentioned wrestling as the Golden Lovers! He also named Adam Page when asked who he wanted to fight.

Seeing that really cheered me up. The Golden Lovers story lives on, despite everything


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I managed to watch and translate the August 7 TJPW show in just two days!

There’s no recap for this one, but I did want to share this photo:

The main thing going on in this show is that it was Kamiyu’s return to her hometown! She even presented a portion of the proceeds from the show as a donation to the town, I believe for scholarships.

I’ll start with the easy stuff. The show had a preview match for Suzume vs Yuka. Yuka was
 not exactly impressed with Suzume in the match.

In her post-match comments, she said:

It’s a very nice environment here, full of nature. It’s a place where a free spirit like Kamifuku grew up. I’m glad she could make a triumphant return. (You faced Suzume before the semifinals) Yes. She’s still the Suzume I know, so I didn’t feel any sense of danger or anything like that in this match. I’m looking forward to her dramatic transformation on the appointed day in the tournament. Right now, I don’t feel like she’s a threat at all.

I was got a little stuck on translating 化けおくる in this line: “これでトヌナメント圓日どう化けおくるのかっおいうのは楜しみではありたすね”, but went with “dramatic transformation” because it seemed like maybe that conveyed the same feeling? I dunno :sweat_smile:.

Suzume said:

It was Kamiyu-san’s return show, so I was happy to come to Fujisawa for the first time, but in the preview match for the tournament, I wasn’t able to save Tori-san at the end
 It’s a frustrating result, but I still felt anxious in front of a big wall. But there’s still time, so I want to be sure to face Yuka-san bravely before Korakuen.

The last half of her comment was a little tricky for me: “悔しい結果になったんですけど、ただただ倧きな壁を前に焊っおるなっお感じがしたした、自分の䞭で。でも、ただ時間があるので埌楜園たでにしっかりナカさんに立ち向かえるようにしおいきたいず思いたす.”

I wasn’t quite sure how to interpret 焊っおる, but ended up going with “anxious” because it seemed most straightforward. I also wasn’t sure exactly how to convey しっかり, but went with “bravely” because it seemed like she was mostly talking about wanting to face Yuka without 焊っおる.

And now, the hard stuff
 Kamiyu’s comments :sweat_smile:.

I think I did okay on the first part of what she said in-ring?

Kamifuku: “I won. I wondered what I’d have done if I hadn’t won (laughs).”

Itoh: “That’s impossible! Everyone was cheering for you.”

Kamifuku: “Thank you for coming from all over to Shonandai today.”

Itoh: “Thank you!”

Kamifuku: “And thank you for coming to see TJPW, which I love almost as much as my hometown. And since this was a charity show, truly thank you all so much for your support. I used to come here all the time when I was a student.”

This next part was tricky for a few reasons:

䌊藀「そうなんだ。有名なんだね」

䞊犏「私はね、チャリティヌ興行ずかいうおたすけど、孊生の頃は特に趣味ずか倢䞭になるものずか、熱心に䜕か倢を芋぀けるこずがなかなかできなかったの。でも東京女子に出䌚っお、倢を芋぀けたり、䞀個䞀個叶えたり 涙この興行も、私の䞭で芜生えた倧きな倧きな倢でした。こうやっお地元のみなさんにたくさん協力しおもらえたから、今日ずいう日を迎えられたした。ホントにありがずうございたす。これからもっず湘南台を掻気づけお、すごいおいしいラヌメン屋さんずか小さなオシャレなバヌずか、六本朚よりむケおるずころがたくさんあるの」

䌊藀「そうなんだ。いいずころなんだね」

The そうなんだ’s gave me a little bit of trouble, because I’m not used to translating those, so I sort of just tried my best :sweat_smile:. I also wasn’t sure what Itoh was exactly calling 有名なんだね, but I’m assuming it’s the place? And Kamiyu’s whole paragraph there caused me a lot of trouble, haha. Here was what I ended up with:

Itoh: “Ah, it’s famous.”

Kamifuku: “For me, concerning the charity show and all that, when I was a student, I wasn’t able to find any particular hobbies or anything I was crazy about, and I didn’t have any passionate dreams. But when I found TJPW, I found my dream, and one-by-one my wishes were granted
 (cries). This charity show was also a big, big dream that sprouted inside of me. It’s thanks to all of the support from everyone from my hometown that I was able to see you all on a day like today. Thank you so, so much. From now on, I’m going to liven up Shonandai even more; the amazing ramen restaurants, the tiny dressed up bars, there are lots of places that are more stylish than Roppongi.”

Itoh: “Yeah, it seems like a nice place.”

Here’s the rest of the in-ring stuff:

Kamifuku: “I’m so happy that I was able to come back here with my friends from Tokyo. Thank you.”

Itoh: “You’re welcome."

Kamifuku: “Everyone, thank you, too. I’ve lived such an enjoyable life with the dreams I have, so everyone, hold onto your dreams and goals, cherish your friends and family, and day by day, do your best and keep living!”

“Thank you, hometown! Thank you, friends! Yay!”

The tricky part for me here was Kamiyu’s second paragraph, in particular the last part of the second sentence: “みんなもありがずう。私ね、倢を持っおこんなに楜しい人生を送れたから、みんなも倢ずか目暙ずか持っお、仲間も家族も倧事にしお、日日頑匵っおみんなで生きおいきたしょう”

For the post-match comments, here’s what I had:

Kamifuku: “I never thought in my wildest dreams that this Shonandai show would be held.”

Itoh: “But you’ve been saying all along that you wanted to make a triumphant return.”

Kamifuku: “Yes, I was saying it. But after all is said and done
 Now that the mayor has left, I can say that Fujisawa has too many delinquents.”

Itoh: “I have that impression.”

Then Kamiyu said:

非行に走る、そういう子が倚いので。倢ずか芋぀けずにさ、悪いこずばっかする子が倚いず蚀われおいるのでね。そういう子たちに倢ずかやりたいこずずかを芋せおあげられたらいいなっお、東京女子をきっかけに䜕か調べおもらっおさ。この子はこういうずころからこういう人になったんだずかさ、しおもらっお。みんなが茝けるように私は応揎しおおりたす。いや、倧倉だった.

I wasn’t quite sure about the middle two sentences in particular. Here’s what I had:

There are lots of children turning to delinquency. It is said that there are a lot of children who don’t have any dreams, so they do bad things instead. I thought it would be good if I could show these children my dreams and the things I want to do, so I asked them to look for something using TJPW as inspiration. How this girl from a place like this could become someone like this, think about that. I’m supporting them so that everyone can shine. Yes, it was hard.

Itoh said, “You were so nervous,” and then Kamiyu said:

めちゃめちゃ緊匵したし、でも、東京女子プロレスっお私が東京に出おからどんな飲み䌚よりもどんな有名人ずの食事䌚よりも、䜕よりもずば抜けお䞀番の宝物になったなっお今回より思えたし。そういう東京出おいくっお決めお、芪に啖呵切っお、䞀人暮らしを始めおいろんなこずがありたしたよ。詐欺垫みたいな男ず付き合っお別れたり、いろんなこずがあったんですけど。でも、やっぱこうやっおそこで出䌚えた宝物をふるさずにブリングバックするっおいうのは、すごくありがたいこずだなっお思ったし。今回興行やるにあたっお党然ぜヌいっおしちゃっおた地元の友達たちが『うちラヌメン屋やっおるからポスタヌ貌っおやるよ』ずか協力もしおくれお。あらためおどんなこずよりも仲間ずか家族ずか人っおいうのは財産なんだなっおこずに気付けたした。アラサヌです。ありがずうございたす。

The first two sentences were a little hard, especially 芪に啖呵切っお, which I had to look up and still didn’t feel like I quite understood :sweat_smile:.

I also struggled with this sentence: “今回興行やるにあたっお党然ぜヌいっおしちゃっおた地元の友達たちが『うちラヌメン屋やっおるからポスタヌ貌っおやるよ』ずか協力もしおくれお.”

Here’s what I had for the whole thing:

I was extremely nervous, but now more than ever, I felt that TJPW has become my greatest treasure above anything else since I moved to Tokyo, more than any drinking party, and more than any dinner with a celebrity. After moving to Tokyo, I exchanged harsh words with my parents, and started living alone, and many other things happened. I dated and broke up with a guy who was a cheater, and so on. But nonetheless, I’m so grateful that I was able to bring back the treasure I’d found to my hometown. When we did this show, my local friends who had been so nonchalant said stuff like, ‘We run a ramen shop, so we’ll put up posters for you,’ and collaborated with us. Once again, I realized that friends, family, and people are bigger assets than anything else. I’m around thirty. Thank you.

I learned that アラサヌ just means “around 30 (years old)”, but apparently it can have the nuance of “I will never be young again,” or “I should seriously think about marriage soon.”

They ask Kamiyu about the next time they hold this event, and she said:

第回やるずしたら、オヌディションしたいですね。最近、朝倉未来さんずかがやっおるじゃん。そんなかんじで藀沢の気合入ったギャル、もしくはダンキヌ、もしくは匕きこもり。その人のなかでオヌディションしお東京女子に入れさせる。藀沢さわやかキャンペヌンをおこないたす。よろしくお願いしたす

The third and fourth sentences were tricky for me. Here’s what I had:

If we do it again, I want to hold an audition. Mikuru Asakura-san and others have been doing that recently. With that sort of feeling, a gal from Fujisawa with fighting spirit, or a delinquent, or a shut-in. I’d like to hold an audition and have someone join TJPW from among those three. I’m carrying out a campaign to reinvigorate Fujisawa. I look forward to working with you.

Then it seems like Itoh and Kamiyu basically roleplay this scenario out?

Itoh: “The person who passes the audition will become a pro wrestler.”

Kamifuku: “Let’s start from the beginning as a trainee. From cleaning the floors with a rag.”

Itoh: “She debuts in Fujisawa, and her opponent is
”

Kamifuku: “Yuki. I’ll be waiting.”

Itoh: “I’m looking forward to it.”

The interviewer asked about Yuna’s participation in the show, and Kamiyu said, “いたね。たなせさん来おくれたした。でもたなせさんはね、家族ぐるみでね。うちの実家のお颚呂に平気で入っおいくような人なんですよ.”

I wasn’t sure how to interpret “でもたなせさんはね、家族ぐるみでね.” Here’s what I went with:

She did. Manase-san came for my sake. But Manase-san, she’s part of the family. She’s the kind of person who’d take a bath at my parents’ house without batting an eyelid.

Itoh responds “それはね いやです” (“That’s
 gross”).

Then Kamiyu finishes with:

うちの家族党員に䌚っおお、藀沢に来おくれお。ちょいちょいのポむントで東京女子の詊合にも絡んできおくれる人で。こんなね、どうせ東京からきたら最䜎でも時間はかかるんでね。どんぶらこっこ来おくれたんですよ。なんで、きっず䜕か䌁んでるんだろうなっお思うんですけど、たなせさんのこずはデビュヌしおちゃんずしたシングルで勝おおないので。どっか東京女子の堎でも䜕でも䜿っお、い぀かぶっ倒したいず思いたす

I think I actually did okay with this? The only part that really confused me was どんぶらこっこ来おくれたんですよ. Apparently どんぶらこっこ is an onomatopoeic word for something flowing (mainly down a river). I ended up translating it fairly literally, because I didn’t know what else to do with it :sweat_smile:.

Here was the final result:

She met my entire family and came to Fujisawa. She’s someone who comes to TJPW every now and then and gets involved in matches. In any case, it takes an hour minimum to get here from Tokyo. She came like a peach flowing down a river. Why? Surely she’s up to something. But Manase-san, given that I haven’t won a singles match with her since my debut, I’d like to beat her someday, whether that’s at TJPW or somewhere else.

I’m
 excited but also a little bit afraid for the double Korakuen shows coming up. No idea how long it’ll take me to finish translating those, but I guess I’ll just have to try my best, haha.

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The transformation part is fine, but I’d point out the どう, and “I’m looking forward to her dramatic transformation on the appointed day in the tournament” sounds maybe more active to me than the original, which sounds to me more like, idle curiosity shared between Yuka and the audience about wondering how Suzume’ll transform for the tournament.
Combined, I would maybe go with something like “It’ll be interesting to see how she’ll step up to the occasion.”

I wouldn’t say “I still felt anxious in front of a big wall” is wrong, but I would say it could be spruced up a bit with preserving more the sense of the originally that she’s painting a figurative picture to describe her state internally. Also, more of the momentum/impending danger - the wall is the match/Yuka, and the 焊っおる is I’d say particularly the kind of anxiety of having to do something about it, soon.
“I still felt inside like I’m rushing towards a great wall” is probably the kind of second pass I would give it.

I think “bravely” is a good natural sounding non-literal pick for しっかり here!

I think this is good!
A few really small things:

  • オシャレな here would just mean like, cool, hip, stylish, fashionable! You know, the kind of bar Kamiyu would be into.
  • In the 倢を芋぀けたり、䞀個䞀個叶えたり part, I’d say they’re plural 倢 and those are the things she’s fulfilling (sounds kinda hard to phrase non-awkwardly that way in english though)
  • そうなんだ I’d say would just be like, confirmation + surprise, like “oh, huh!” or “wow!” I would probably mainly just use them here as a tip that you should use exclamation marks for those parts! It seems a lot more rare for the Japanese transcript to use anything other than a period, but it would almost certainly be more natural in English to use exclamation marks to show that surprise/enthusiasm factor that’s conveyed in the original by stuff like そうなんだ. I’d be throwing in more exclamation points all over the place!
  • I think it’s probably Kamiyu who’s 有名なんだね, in the sense of like - now she’s headlining a show at a venue she attended a lot as a kid - look how far she’s come, that kind of thing.

The one small tweak I’d make is “and day by day, let’s all do our best and keep living!!”

Only note about this is the 倧倉だった is after a pretty lengthy pause after the previous stuff, and it connects more with the next stuff they talk about (it’s what prompts Itoh’s comment about her having been nervous). The いや、is sorta the transition from talking big to like, breaking from the speechifying and admitting it was tough/strenuous. So while this isn’t a very good translation, I’d say it conveys roughly like, “
 geez, that was a hell of a thing. I’m pooped!”

The chronology is a bit off here - “東京出おいくっお決めお、芪に啖呵切っお、䞀人暮らしを始めお” is she decided to leave for Tokyo, informed her parents, and started living alone, in that order. I’m also not ultra familiar with 啖呵切っお, but I looked around a bit and I think kotobank was clearest to me in forming my impression that it’s about her firmly informing her parents of her decision (rather than necessarily a fight or them objecting and scolding her which I thought maybe at first).

I don’t think this fits 詐欺垫みたいな男 – the original is more like I think, he was some kind of sketchy not upfront dude who was trying to take advantage of her or other people by lying or misrepresenting himself. Like the kind of stereotypical big city dude who might take advantage of a girl who’d just moved there. “like a swindler”, not necessarily “cheater”

I don’t know how exactly to phrase it in English, but I think she’s saying more like – the local friends who she dropped contact with / abandoned.
Like, ぜヌい is the kind of thing you might say when throwing a paper ball in the trash, or she makes a brushing-away motion when she says it. So I think she’s talking about leaving and dropping them, but now them being nice enough to help her.

Yeah, it’s a joke from the start – I’d say from the video and the chuckles that the tone is more like, her straight-facedly declaring she’s going to hold this silly-sounding audition as a bit, and her and Itoh riffing on it for a little while.

Yeah, the 家族ぐるみ is quickly supported by the bath thing, so I think it’s just saying that Manase is / is like family to Kamiyu.
The comparison sounds a bit odd in English, but I presume she’s talking about の実家のお颚呂 because of how Japanese families share bathwater, and so joining in on that with no qualms would indeed be a mark of really being like family.

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WHEW okay, I got TJPW’s August 13 Korakuen Hall show (the TPC semifinals) done! Here’s the recap for posterity, though I didn’t reference it.

The tournament had some, uh, spicy results, shall we say, but I had a good time, so I tried my best to ignore the twitter discourse :sweat_smile:.

I did find out that unfortunately, shupro doesn’t transcribe all of the comments. So I’ll start with the ones just on twitter:

First up, Shoko vs Kaya Toribami! A fun fact about Kaya is that she and Shoko trained together (Shoko has done stunt training), and that’s sort of how Kaya was brought into TJPW. Their first singles match last year was a genuinely great match, despite the fact that it was right after Kaya’s debut, so they have great chemistry.

In Shoko’s comments, she said that she was in the opening match for the first time in a long time, and it has also been a while since she’s had a singles match with Kaya. Then she said: “ここからトヌナメントの結果を芋届けるためにも自分も自分で積み䞊げられるものはコツコツ積み䞊げおいきたいずいう気持ちで今日は詊合をしたした.”

I got tripped up over various parts of this. Here was my attempt? “Seeing the results of the tournament from here, I wrestled today with a feeling of wanting to keep accumulating experience for myself and by myself.”

I think I understood Kaya’s comment well enough:

She utterly beat me. Our last match was the match immediately following my debut, so this was our first singles match in a year. I’ve gotten a little better, and I understand just how high that wall is. I want to be able to show everyone that I’ve grown and improved.

The next match was Free WiFi vs Raku and Yuki Aino.

In Nao’s comment, the second sentence gave me trouble: “やっぱり定期的にふりヌWiFi組んでもらわないず” I also wasn’t quite sure what she meant in her last line. Here was my translation for the whole thing:

Kakuta: “At the end, I won and bounced back. We need to tag as Free WiFi more on a regular basis!”

Hikari: “Today was Yuki-san’s return match, but it was a little scary because I didn’t sense any ring rust.”

Kakuta: “I wonder if Raku-chan was also trying especially hard today.”

In Raku and Yuki’s comment, I was a little confused by Yuki’s: “そういうこず こんなに䌑んだこずなかった䞍安だったんですけど、らくず䞀緒に入堎しおそれたでのうっ憀が吹き飛びたした.” I wasn’t sure exactly what she was talking about with うっ憀 :sweat_smile:. Here was my attempt:

Raku: “Today the bullet train was delayed due to the typhoon, so I was late, too.”

Yuki: “Was that it? I was anxious because I’d never taken time off like this, but when I entered together with Raku, all of my pent-up feelings disappeared.”

Arisu Endo fought visiting guest Mei Suruga, in a match that Mr. Haku was jokingly referring to as a “Suzume on a pole match”, since both of them are tag partners of hers. Unfortunately Arisu’s first singles victory still eludes her.

I think I did okay with these? I made a slightly bold translation decision with Mei’s (I went with it because the fandom 英語 book I have suggested “stan” for を掚す), so hopefully this doesn’t result in Mei finding my translation and making a tweet that says: “English words learned today: stan” :sweat_smile:. Here was my translation:

Mei: “I’ve been a little curious about Arisu-chan for a long time. After this singles match, I’ve come to love her. In Arisu-chan’s hometown show, I’ll be cheering for her as an Arisu stan! Everyone, do your best! Fight!”

And here was Arisu’s:

Endo: “I still haven’t won a singles match on my own, and I thought that if I beat Mei-san here, I’d be able to show everyone how cool I am, but I was way too optimistic. It was as if I’d been pulled into Mei-san’s world. It’s frustrating, but I think it’s because I haven’t trained enough, so I’m going to keep working hard.”

The next match was one I was really, really excited about. It was a 3-way match between Misao, Rika, and Mizuki. I think I’ve talked about these individual dynamics before, but basically: Misao is in love with Rika, but Rika is in love with Mizuki, and Mizuki does not particularly like either of them, but also she’s not above exploiting people’s affections if it gives her a temporary advantage.

The wrestlers themselves billed this one as a “love triangle match” (the second one this year after Yuki Aino vs Raku vs Pom). Mr. Haku helpfully translated some of the in-ring for it, and it was pretty funny because at the beginning, Misao claimed that part of the love triangle was mutual because she got Rika’s photo at the merch table, and Rika has green highlights in her hair, which can mean only one thing.

Rika got Mizuki to agree to work with her, only to get betrayed at the earliest possible opportunity. And, well, from there things got pretty messy, haha, with lots of unintentional friendly fire from one wrestler toward the target of her affection.

I was very bummed to see that shupro elected not to transcribe these. How could they deprive us of such vital lore details?? Thankfully, the twitter captions had quite a lot.

With Misao’s comment, I had trouble with the first line: “最埌めちゃくちゃカタいものが私の胞を打ち抜いた  私がスプレヌやったからかヌ” Here was my attempt:

Misao: “At the end, something hard pierced me right through the chest
 Because the cold spray was my doing! I wonder why I can never convey my love to Rika-san
 Is it because of Mizu-pyon? But I’m going to keep doing my best until my strength is conveyed. #I love Rika Tatsumi!”

Rika’s was straightforward enough. She said:

Rika: “It’s totally and completely Hyper Misao’s fault. I think this has made Mizu-pyon reevaluate, and I think next time we’ll definitely be able to form a Dorapyon tag team, so higher-ups, please put us together in a Dorapyon tag match! I think this laid the groundwork for that!”

For Mizuki’s, the part that confused me was her third sentence: “倚分意芋合わぞんから  ” Here was my attempt at the whole thing:

Mizuki: “I thought it would be a tough 3-way, but it was way harder than I’d imagined
 This made me think that I absolutely don’t want to team with Rika-san. We probably don’t agree with each other
 I don’t want to win by teaming up with Rika-san; I want to win by myself.”

Next was Pom Harajuku vs Max the Impaler, which was about as perfect a wrestling match as you can imagine. I think Max might be the best guest that TJPW has had thus far? The Japanese fans took to them instantly.

Shupro gave me a transcription for Pom’s comment, thankfully! There were a few lines that were confusing to me, so I’ll post the part with the confusing bits:

ちょっず䜕があったか分からないですけど、あれはホントに実圚したすか ホントに途䞭でワケわからなくなっお垰りたくなったんですけど あの時垰っおおけばよかったなんお思いたした。やばいよ、䜕アレ。ツむッタヌでたくさん芋たけど、あんなに怖いず思わなかったし。ぜむ、ホントに宙を浮くっおこういうこずだなっお思ったし、敵わなかったんですけど。

I was a little unsure with “ホントに途䞭でワケわからなくなっお垰りたくなったんですけど”, and with “ぜむ、ホントに宙を浮くっおこういうこずだなっお思ったし、敵わなかったんですけど.”

Here’s what I had for the full comment:

Pom: “I don’t really understand what happened, but was that person really real? I really didn’t know what was going on as it was happening and wanted to go home, but
 I should have left then. Oh man, what was that person? I saw a lot of them on twitter, but I didn’t expect them to be THAT scary. I thought, ‘Pom, you’re really floating through the air’, and I was no match for them. But, now that I know that my shin kicks work even on someone who is that scary, I’m going to keep working to master shin attacks. But I never want to see them again. I thought my remains were going to get scattered all over Korakuen, to the north, east, south, and west. But I was still there. Thank goodness
 I don’t remember anything else.”

Max didn’t say, uh, words in their comment (in English or Japanese), but I’m including it because it’s fun :blush:

This show had so much going on, I think I’m going to split up my posts about it so that it’s not a super gigantic block :sweat_smile:. I’ll post about the latter half of the show tomorrow!

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She was a guest on commentary for the rest of the card after the first few matches, so I’d say the “ここからトヌナメントの結果を芋届ける” part is referring to that. After this promo she’s going to have a first-hand look at how the tournament progresses (by being on commentary), and so partly that’s why she had this match (since guest commentary from someone who had an early match on the show is very common) but she’s saying also she did it to build up experience.
The 自分も自分で part sounds to me like it’s just emphasizing that (in contrast to that first reason) she also had the match for herself and her growth. I found one source that lists it as a grammar point anyway (it seems hard to google). I’d also say, anyway, that it connects with 積み䞊げられるもの, as like, the stuff she can accumulate/improve on within/about herself.
I would put it all as something like:
“Today I wrestled in part, yes, so that I can go out now and get a first-hand look at how the tournament goes, but also for myself, because I want to keep working to steadily improve where I can, and this match helped me do that.”

For this part, the 分 in the original gives it a structure/flavor, of like, “I’ve improved a little, but that just means I’m that much more able to see how high the (metaphorical) wall is” - like a seeing how far you’ve come just makes it easier to comprehend how far you still have to go, type of deal. there’s a stack exchange post about it that suggests it’s the same as in (the more easily look upable) その分.

The tweet bunches it up a bit – the “そういうこず” is her comment on Raku’s comment, and then they separately transition into talking about the other topic. It sounds like Yuki took off from two matches, but it meant a total of three weeks off? And so she was uneasy since she hadn’t been out that long of a time off before.
For うっ憀, weblio gives “内にこもり぀もった怒りや䞍満。晎れないうらみ。” so I’m sure she’s mainly just talking about that 䞍安 she was talking about. If there’s an 怒り or うらみ component it would probably just be at whatever was causing the break if it was out of her control, or in kayfabe, the tournament loss that preceded it.

One nitpick here is I would describe the original more like, “If I beat Mei-san here, I’d get to look incredibly cool in front of everyone” - like, she’d get to show a めっちゃカッコいい姿 not that she herself is inherently めっちゃカッコいい.

Well, she’s definitely thinking through the finish, which involved (among other things) 1. Rika trying to spray Misao, 2. Misao ducking so the spray incapacitates the ref (I enjoyed his dramatic “pause 目が” a lot here), 3. Rika hitting Misao in the chest with the can 4. Rika pulling the ref over and winning.
The twitter text cuts out a little part in the middle where she wonders something about the ref, so I would speculate that the specific thing she’s confused by could be why Rika was able to hit her with the can without being disqualified, with the answer she figures out being oh right, she intentionally made sure he got hit with the spray earlier, oops!
Or if not that specific, then in any case yeah, the second part is her figuring out through consulting her memory that her loss was ultimately because of her spray. The からか I would note here gives it like, an “oh, so it was X, eh?!” type of flavor - yours kinda drops the か

Sounds like Mizuki’s from Kansai! (yep, Kobe apparently). The ぞん here is like ない. So yeah, she doesn’t want to team with Rika-san since they probably don’t agree with each other. (bit of a catch-22 there for Rika, since it doesn’t sound like she agrees about this either
)

The nuance missed here is that the “途䞭でXなっお” part conveys not “during it, I was X” but “in the middle of it, I became X” - in the middle of the match she came to be in such a state of not not really making heads or tails of anything anymore and just wanting to go home. (頑匵っお :blush: -Raku)

Having a bit of trouble going directly into English for this one too,
but she thought, that this → [ホントに宙を浮く] is this → [こういうこず], and that’s one of the reasons she was no match for them. Like - “so this is what it means to really be midair” to try to put it literally.

I guess I’d put the meaning conveyed like this:
image
“oh my god I’m literally midair right now”
(from the spot right before she tries to leave the match)

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Hi guys! I’m pretty new here but got sent a link to this in another thread.

I’m learning Japanese because my brother and I want to go watch Wrestle Kingdom maybe next year or the year after. The promotion I follow the closest right now is AEW, but I watch all the big NJPW and TJPW events.

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Welcome! :blush:

I’m also learning Japanese because of wrestling, though my path has taken some turns I really did not expect :sweat_smile:. I got into wrestling in early 2019 because of the Golden Lovers story, started watching AEW at the very first Double or Nothing (and NJPW shortly after), got into TJPW in late 2019, then, uh, watched way too many companies through most of 2020. I started learning Japanese at the end of 2020, but didn’t get serious about it until around March 2021.

Then, well, at the end of 2021, Mr. Haku left CyberFight and stopped translating DDT and TJPW, and it was a really soul-crushing moment as a fan. I managed to pick myself up off of the ground and stop moping, and I realized that if I wanted to keep following the stories, I kind of had to step up long before I was ready and try translating them myself :sweat_smile:.

I started out doing very rough translations for DDT, then moved to TJPW after DDT got another translator again, and my friend who was covering TJPW ran out of time to keep up with it. So I’ve been translating TJPW stuff regularly now for like the past six months?

If you’re interested in TJPW, this thread is definitely the place to be, because I share everything from my translations here, and rodan has offered such amazing help to clarify things that were confusing and correct my translation errors. I also have a brand new twitter account for my translations, if you’d rather read the more polished end results.

Of course, this isn’t just a TJPW thread, haha, so you’re welcome to post about other wrestling as well! rodan frequently shares all sorts of fun highlights from shupro, if you’re interested in anything from that magazine.

I used to keep up with NJPW as well, though I stopped watching earlier this year in May after what they did to Kota Ibushi. But for a long time, NJPW was a decent part of my motivation, and a huge amount of my immersion. I can definitely say that if you truly love wrestling, that love can get you pretty far with Japanese.

But yeah, don’t be scared off by the long posts! We just have a lot of things we want to share :sweat_smile:.

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Continuing with TJPW’s August 13 show, the last three matches were actually covered pretty extensively in the shupro recap. I also double-checked my translations for the in-ring stuff with Mr. Haku’s partial live translation thread for the show, which was handy.

Kamiyu and Mahiro teamed up with Haruna Neko against Saki Akai, Yuki Arai, and Moka. I was thrilled to see perpetual underdog Mahiro get the pin here, and over Arai, too! Sweet revenge.

Something that stood out to me when I was translating their comments is that there is a parallel of sorts between Toyo Mates (Mr. Haku translated their name the same way I did. Vindication!) and Reiwa no AA Cannon. The parallel between Kamiyu and Saki already came up earlier this year when they teamed together, and I think Mahiro and Arai’s mini-feud recently has been neat.

But what stood out to me this time was the parallel between the two as teams, with Saki sort of mentoring and looking after Arai, and Kamiyu sort of
 not really doing that with Mahiro. Well, she sort of tries, but she’s also not exactly the mentoring type, haha. They have an interesting dynamic because Kamiyu clearly does like her and want her to succeed, but she also has the tendency to be really aggressively controlling of Mahiro, and they seem to have fundamentally different personalities and ideological standpoints which makes a balanced and effective tag team seem impossible to achieve.

I thought it was really funny how Mahiro challenged for the tag belts, in a very characteristically Mahiro kind of way. Here was my translation of the first part:

Kiryu: “I am very sorry to detain you when you are so tired. I’d like to ask you something, if you don’t mind? Akai-san and Arai-chan, when the two of you first formed your tag team, I fought you as your opponent. At the time, I lost. After that, the two of you won the belts, and then I lost to Arai-chan in the singles tournament. I kept losing
 this whole time, I’ve been losing. But I can’t just stay silent. After today’s match, you can no longer ignore me, right? So, your belt
 please let me challenge for it!”

Akai: “Alright. If you both are ready for that.” (She leaves, taking care of Arai)

Kiryu: “Okay, and now
” (She looks at Kamifuku) “Ah! I’m sorry. I didn’t say anything to Kamifuku-san
”

Then Kamiyu says: “そうだよね謝る桐生にいいよ。突然でビックリしたけど、でもい぀かこんな日が来おくれたらいいなっお。マヒロが無駄に頭を䞋げたくるばっかりじゃなくお、もっず䞻匵しおほしいっお、䞀番近くで䞀番匷く思っおたのは私だよ。マヒロ先茩に぀いおいきたす.”

The tricky part for me was the ビックリした line :sweat_smile:. Here was my attempt:

Kamifuku: “You didn’t, did you? That’s okay. That was sudden, like, ‘oh my god!’ but I’d hoped that this day would come someday. I wanted you to be more assertive instead of just bowing and apologizing over and over, and I’m the one who was closest to you and felt the strongest. I will follow Mahiro-senpai.”

Then Mahiro brings out my nemesis
 mahjong metaphors. Here was the last bit of their in-ring exchange (with my best shot at translating it :sweat_smile:):

桐生「ありがずう 今の状態、私の奜きな麻雀に䟋えるずベルトにリヌチを掛けたかんじなので。私たちでツモっおいきたしょう。䞀緒にツモっおくれたすか」

Kiryu: “Thank you! In this current situation, to liken it to mahjong, which I’m a fan of, it’s like declaring ready on the belt. Let’s win on a self-drawn title. Shall we draw a title together?”

䞊犏「敬語はやめようぜ」

Kamifuku: “Let’s not use honorifics, okay?”

桐生「あ、ツモろうね。なので、みなさんで東掋盟友の応揎、よろしくお願いしたす」

Kiryu: “Oh, uh, draw a tile from the wall! Everyone, please support Toyo Mates!”

In their post-match comments, Mahiro starts with:

Kiryu: “I won! I did it! Today, I
 really wanted to win and announce my challenge. Sorry I didn’t tell you first.”

Then Kamiyu says: “いいよいいよ。い぀も私が勝手に決めおる分。いいっすよ、なんすか.”

Some of the more casual language is still confusing to me, and I couldn’t quite figure out “いいっすよ、なんすか” here. Here was my attempt at that line (and then Mahiro’s response):

Kamifuku: “It’s okay, it’s okay. I always decide stuff on my own. It’s fine.”

Kiryu: “Thank you so much. I won today thanks to the help from the two of you.”

Then Kamiyu says: “圓たり前だよ 嘘嘘笑”. I translated this as: ““Obviously! 
No, no, that’s a lie (laughs)” But I was a little uncertain about “嘘嘘” :sweat_smile:.

Then Mahiro says: “すげえよ”, which I translated as: “Unbelievable!”

Kamiyu says: “今日は絶察に自分で勝ちたいっお目をしおたので。最埌は荒井ちゃんを前に顔぀きが倉わるなっお芋おたから、あえお芋守っおたかったし。絶察に荒井ちゃんに勝っおほしいなっお個人的に思っおたから。みんな気付きたしたか桐生の髪の毛の色、鉄玺やぞ。東掋倧孊のむメヌゞカラヌ、鉄玺やぞ.”

I was just very uncertain on what and who she was exactly referring to, so took my best stab at it based on context:

Kamifuku: “Today, her eyes definitely said that she wanted to win on her own. At the end, I saw her face change when she faced Arai-chan, so I was intentionally watching over her. I personally wanted her to beat Arai-chan. Did you guys notice it? The color of (Kiryu’s) hair, it was iron blue. That’s Toyo University’s color.”

Then the other two said:

Kiryu: “That’s right”!

Haruna: “Oh, I see!”

I fell down a bit of a rabbit hole with the color 鉄玺(お぀こん), since it’s one that we don’t have an exact equivalent for in English, but I know that schools can be really particular about their colors. Here’s a little more about it. Funnily enough, Toyo University is the third result if you google it.

It's also in the book that I have with 365 colors of Japan!

I ended up going with “iron blue”, accompanied by probably the world’s most boring translator note :sweat_smile:. Something I wasn’t able to determine when doing cursory research on it was if iron was actually used as a mordant during the indigo dyeing process.

From my (very limited) personal experience, you don’t actually need a mordant with indigo, but according to (English language) dyeing tutorials on google, some people do use iron with it. I definitely don’t have the vocabulary to read about this in Japanese, though. So I’ve filed that away under a subject to learn more about when I’m more advanced :sweat_smile:.

That digression aside, here’s what they said next (and my uncertain translations of both):

䞊犏「気合入れおたからね」
Kamifuku: “She was full of fighting spirit.”

桐生「そういうこずなのよ」
Kiryu: “That’s what it means.”

Then Neko and Mahiro said:

Haruna: “Today, Mahiro was so cool, and the two of them worked together perfectly, and even I got a ribbon (from Kamifuku). I’m glad I was able to team up with them.”

Kiryu: “Thank you.”

Then Kamiyu said: “ずっず真匥のそばにいたのは、䞀番近くにいたのはゆきだず思うから。私も真匥ず同じ気持ちだし。アラサヌの倏、花咲かせよ.”

The first line there was confusing to me. It sort of made sense? But not enough for me to feel confident. Here’s what I had:

Kamifuku: “I stuck by Mahiro the whole time. I think I was the person closest to her. Mahiro and I feel the same. Let’s bloom in the summer of our thirties!”

Then Mahiro said:

Kiryu: “Yes, let’s do it! (Kamiyu punches her shoulder) I will! I have no idea what my next plans are, but I’m definitely challenging for the belt! 
Sorry. I’m suddenly at a loss for words.”

Then Kamiyu said: “絶察うちらで力を合わせお真匥の未来を明るくしおいくぞ 䞀皮も二皮もむけるぞヌ” That last bit was an expression I’d never heard before, so I looked it up, then tried to figure out what seemed like a possible English equivalent? :sweat_smile:

Here’s what I had for the rest of their comments:

Kamifuku: “We’re definitely joining forces and making Mahiro’s future brighter! Let’s give you an uplift!”

Kiryu: “That’s what I mean!”

Saki, Arai, and Moka’s comments were a lot more straightforward! I think I did okay with the first half:

Miyamoto: “Today I teamed up with Akai-san and Arai-san, and they were really encouraging, but I wasn’t able to help them, and we lost, which was frustrating. I want to improve more and more.”

Akai: “Will you be okay?”

Arai: “Yes. Today, even though I had the reassuring presence of the two of you with me, I still lost to Mahiro-san. It was a really frustrating result
 After all, if I lose the title here, I won’t be able to do everything that I wanted to do. I definitely want to win this next match.”

Then Saki said:

私が前に䞊犏遞手、真匥遞手ずやった時よりも今日はなんか䜕段階かレベルが䞊がっおるように感じたした。でも、蚀っおも真匥遞手なんお荒井に割ず最近も圓たったよね なんで最初からその鞘を抜かなかったんだろうっお気持ちず。今日ね、『すみたせんでした』みたいな挑戊のされ方をされたのは初めおだったんですけど。挑戊しおきお、私たちに敵わなくお。今日挑戊しおきたこずを謝らないようにしおほしいなっお思いたす。でもこうやっお初めおチャンピオンのなっお、防衛しおいくこずがチャンピオンずしおいい姿をお客さんに芋せられるず思うので。どんどん挑戊したい方はきおくれお倧䞈倫です

Lots of stuff I wasn’t quite certain about :sweat_smile:. Here was my attempt at the whole thing:

Akai: “In comparison to my matches with Kamifuku and Mahiro before, I feel like the level of today’s match was higher. But, didn’t Mahiro face Arai relatively recently? I wonder why she didn’t pull out this strength from the outset. Today is the first time someone has issued a challenge to me like that, with an ‘excuse me’. She challenged us, and was no match for us. I hope she won’t apologize for challenging us today. But I think becoming a champion like this for the first time and defending your title shows the audience how good you are as a champion. If you want to challenge us, come and do it, it’s okay!”

The semi-main event of the show was a semifinal match for the Tokyo Princess Cup, Suzume vs Yuka! I really liked this one. Yuka really comes across as so brutal and terrifying in her final stretch of three tournament matches, starting with her last one against Hikari, and really elevating here with Suzume. I feel like you can really see her desperation and her fear. Suzume really brought out the part of Yuka that is completely no-nonsense and serious, as opposed to her normal playfulness. Which is a testament to how much Yuka actually respects and fears her.

I think I understood the first half of Suzume’s comment?

Suzume: “Since I made it this far in the tournament, of course I was aiming for the overall victory. In the preview match, Yuka-san said that I’m ‘not a threat’, but I wanted Yuka-san to think I was dangerous in some way or another. I was really nervous because I was thinking about all sorts of things, like everyone’s expectations and the future of the company. To be honest, when the match started, I forgot about the tournament, and I thought, ‘in any case, I’m not going to lose to the person in front of me.’ I really fought only with the desire to win.”

Then the interviewer asks her about the new plancha she revealed. Here’s where things fell apart for me, haha. Suzume said:

このトヌナメントに挑むに向けお、なんか生み出したもののひず぀ですね。いっぱいいっぱいながらも自分のやりたいこずずいうか、甚意した歊噚を党郚出し切ったず思うので。圓たっお砕けお粉々になっおもしがみ぀いお勝ずうず思っおたんですけど、さらに粉々の粉々の粉々にされたので ここたで粉々にされるず、もはや枅々しいなず思っおいたす笑

Here was my unsure attempt:

“It was something I created for this tournament. Although she took me to my limit, it was something I wanted to do, or rather, I think I used up all of the weapons that I’d prepared. Even if she hit me and smashed me to pieces, I was going to cling to victory, but she shattered the pieces of me into even smaller pieces. Now I think it’s refreshing to be pulverized to this extent (laughs).”

The main event was Miu vs Miyu, and it was my favorite match in the entire tournament (and honestly maybe my match of the year across all companies). I still remember Miu and Miyu’s last singles match, in 2019 right after I had just started watching TJPW, and the two of them wanted to fight before they tried teaming up.

It’s just absolutely incredible how far Miu has come since then. I was riveted the whole match, especially that last stretch of it, when Miyu was basically putting Miu through the absolute ringer, and she just wouldn’t stay down. I feel like it sort of validated my theory that Miu is being set up as a future ace of sorts.

After Miu won, Yuka came out, and the two of them exchanged some words in-ring. I think I more or less got all of this? Here was my translation:

Sakazaki: “Oh, so it’s Miu. Well, I can’t lose. I won’t lose. This is my ninth time doing this since the tournament started, and I’ve been doing this since before Miu came to be TJPW’s Miu Watanabe. So this summer, Yuka Sakazaki is absolutely going to win. I won’t lose!”

Miu: (While crying) “‘I don’t want to lose’ to Yuka-san, either! To get to here, I beat Nakajima-san and Yamashita-san
 next is Yuka-san. Before I came here, the three of you built TJPW and made it so awesome and amazing, and I respect you so much. That is why in the 9th year, this summer, I am going to surpass Yuka-san and get the overall victory.”

Sakazaki: “Okay, tomorrow, then?”

(The two of them fist bump. Sakazaki makes her exit.)

Miu: “I beat Yamashita-san! Beating Yamashita-san was my very first dream after I debuted and became a wrestler. It was way too big of a dream at that time, but now, after four years
 I was finally able to win! In the finals tomorrow, I’m going to face Yuka-san. Fighting Nakajima-san, Yamashita-san, and Yuka-san, everyone is too strong! But I’ve decided that this summer is going to be the summer I surpass my senpais! So I hope to defeat Yuka-san, too, to beat her and win the tournament tomorrow! Please give me your support in the finals tomorrow. Thank you again for today!”

I actually got kind of choked up while translating Miu’s last set of lines there. I feel like I feel the emotion and the power of the promos so much more when translating them, even if it has been several days since I watched the match. Miu’s promo skills in particular have really stood out to me over these shows. She’s so good at this!

After the match, Miu said:

Miu: “I was able to beat Yamashita-san in the finals. Ever since my first singles match with Yamashita-san at the Up Up TJPW event directly following my debut, I have always really wanted to beat her someday, to surpass that wall one day. But at the time, it was too reckless, too big of a goal
 But after four years, I finally, finally caught up with her. She is a senpai who has always been a great help to me, and she has watched over me with great warmth and occasional severity, even when I was just starting in pro wrestling four years ago. So I have so much respect for her because she’s a senpai to whom I owe so much. Today I finally caught up with her, and it feels like I finally reached her level, but I have to fight Yuka-san in the finals next, and this tournament
 I’ve had to have singles matches with all three flagship members of the roster. They loom overwhelmingly huge to me, and I really respect them from the bottom of my heart. Since I’ve come this far, I want to beat Yuka-san, but I think It’s going to be insanely difficult
 But I’ve decided that this summer, I’m going to surpass my senpais and win the tournament. I’m going to do my best and aim for the victory tomorrow.”

In the second half of her comment, they asked her about being in the main event for two consecutive Korakuen shows, and a couple things threw me off. Here’s what she said:

やっぱり先茩たちが普段メむンに立っおものすごい詊合をしおいるからこそ、自分もそんな詊合をしないず勝おたずしおも远い぀いたこずにはならないし。そこもひず぀、自分にずっおの課題だったんですけど。どうだったか分かんないんですけど、すごい今回ファンの方が今たで以䞊に、過去最倧に応揎しおくれお、たくさん期埅しおくれお。ものすごい応揎の声をもらったので、その声だったり䌚堎のお客さんの声はないけど“声揎”だったりがものすごく力になったので。明日もメむンむベント、埌楜園で決勝戊。頑匵りたいず思いたす

One was how to translate the “ホントにやばくお” in her first line. I went with “amazingly terrifying”? I dunno :sweat_smile:. Her line about the cheers was kind of grammar soup to me, but I tried my best. Here was the result:

“Being in a Korakuen main event makes me really nervous, and today was also amazingly terrifying. My senpais are always in the main event, and always wrestle amazing matches, so if I don’t also have matches like that, even if I win, I’m not on their level. That was one of the challenges for me. I don’t know how, but this time the fans were supporting me more than ever, and they expected more from me than ever before. I received their amazing cheers, and it was their voices and their ‘shouts of encouragement’, even though the audience couldn’t vocalize, which became my strength. Tomorrow, I’m also in the main event, the finals at Korakuen. I will do my best.”

Miyu’s comment was also confusing, or at least, I felt uncertain about most of it, even if it seemed like I had the general idea. She said:

負けた。うヌん たずは玠盎に悔しいですね。悔しいけど けどずいうか悔しいしかないけど、最埌終わっお未詩の目を芋た時に、結果からしお『匷くなったね』っおいうしかないんですけど。でも未詩の目を芋お、あらためお未詩の過ごした幎間っおいうのは本圓に濃いものだったんだなっお思いたした。私ももうすぐ10幎になりたすけど、この10幎すごく濃く東京女子のなかで闘っおきお。すごく、この準決勝が決たった時から幎前の新宿FACEであったチャレンゞマッチからの未詩のこずを思い出しおすごくなっおるなっお思ったし、だからこの準決勝ホントに最初から倒しにかかっおけっこう攻めたず思うんですけど。自力の匷さず未詩の本質の匷さに今日は飲み蟌たれおしたったかなっおいう颚に思いたす。たぁたぁ悔しいですけど、たた負けたら匷くなればいいので。次は絶察に負けたせんよ。

Here was my attempt:

Yamashita: “I lost. Well
 first of all, I am honestly frustrated. I’m frustrated, but
 maybe I should say I have no choice except to feel frustrated, but when I looked into Miu’s eyes at the end, based on the result, all I could say was ‘you’ve gotten stronger’. But looking into her eyes, I realized once again that these four years of her career were so rich. It will soon be ten years for me, and my ten years of fighting in TJPW have been very intense. After this semifinal was decided, I thought back to the challenge match at (Shinjuku) FACE, and I thought about how much stronger Miu has gotten since then. So in this semifinal match, from the beginning, I truly came at her to win, and I thought my attacks were enough. But today I think I was swallowed up by my own power and Miu’s true strength. Well, it’s frustrating, but if I lose again, I’ll just have to get stronger. Next time, I will definitely not lose.”

The next part of her comment also confused me. They asked her how she expects the finals to go, and she said:

予想できないですよ。今日未詩ず闘っお ナカちゃんも勝っお私も決勝でナカちゃんず闘う぀もりだったので。ナカちゃんが勝぀のかなっお思う反面、今日私負けおたすし。未詩の勢いずか瞬間的な匷さに最埌やられたので。どれだけナカちゃんが攻めおおも、最埌飲み蟌む力はホントに匷いなっお思ったので。ちょっずもう 分かんないですね笑。でも、今回の準決勝の鈎芜ず坂厎、私ず未詩っおいうのは、ここにきお初めお分かりやすく䞖代闘争みたいな圢になっおたので。ここはでも、ちょっずナカちゃんに壁になっおもらいたいなっお思いたすけど 予想できないですね。

Here’s what I had:

“I can’t predict it. I fought Miu today
 Yuka-chan won, and I had intended to face her in the finals. I think Yuka-chan is going to win, but on the other hand, I lost today. Miu’s spirit and sudden strength got me at the end. Even if Yuka-chan attacks her with everything, I thought the power she took in at the end was really strong. So
 I don’t really know anymore (laughs). But, these semifinals, with Suzume and Sakazaki, and myself and Miu, for the first time it feels like a clear generational struggle. Here, though, I kind of want Yuka-chan to be the wall, but
 I can’t predict it.”

Then they ask her if she feels happy about the growth of her juniors. My favorite line in this was also the trickiest for me, and I wanted to make sure I got it right: “いた䞖代闘争っお蚀われるっおいうのは、すごく団䜓ずしおも歎史を重ねおきお 涙ぐみすごく倧きくなっおるなっおいうのもあるし.”

Here’s my translation of the rest:

“Yes, I do. From the position of an athlete, I’m really frustrated, but when I look at TJPW from an outside perspective, I see more and more young girls coming up, which gives me a sense of the future of the company. That makes us get even more fired up. The fact that people call it a generational struggle now means that the company has built up a long history
 (breaks into tears). It’s also because we’ve grown so much. I think the young girls
 especially Watanabe and Suzume, but also everyone who didn’t make it to the semifinals, are working very hard. It makes me feel like I have to work even harder myself.”

Yuka’s comment was fairly straightforward. The only part that threw me off was this: “でも、䞊がれたこずもすごい嬉しいんですけど、鈎芜ずかヒカリずか鳥喰ちゃん、圓たった子ず闘っおる䜓感は トヌナメントで圓たるずよりガシガシくるずいうか。ガッツがすごいずいうか.” I wasn’t exactly sure what to do with “ガシガシ” :sweat_smile:. DeepL suggested “aggressive”, so I went with that. Here’s my translation of the whole thing:

Sakazaki: “Today, I won with stubborness. Suzume also had a strong desire to win, she was truly tenacious, trying to trip me up and roll me up over and over again. To be honest, my stamina was completely whittled down, and it was a close call. But I think my desire to win this tournament was just a little stronger. I’m glad I got to go on to the finals. But even though I’m happy, Suzume, Hikari, Tori(bami)-chan, the girls that I beat, I think they’re more aggressive when you beat them in a tournament. They have a lot of guts. I thought it was great that they’re trying to change, because as everyone’s level gradually gets higher and higher, the tournament gets better and better. I hope that this show makes everyone in the audience think ‘TJPW and their summer tournament can’t be missed.’”

In the second part of her comment, there were a few confusing things. They asked her about Miu being her opponent in the finals, and here’s what she said:

ねヌ。そっかっお思っお。裏で芋おたんですけど、たぁ心のどこかでは山䞋だろうなっお気はしおたんですよ。けど、なんでしょう。あの泣きじゃくりながら打撃を打぀みたいな。あれはすごいグッずきたしたね。枡蟺未詩の今幎の倏に懞けおる思いっおいうのがすごく䌝わっおきたので。次決たった時は未詩かぁヌ 。この未詩はなかなかだぞっお思っお。明日どうしようかなっお気はしおるんですけど、でも回目の正盎。倏い぀も超えられないので、倏を超えお自分を超えおいきたいですね。今幎の倏は絶察取りたす

I wasn’t quite sure about “けど、なんでしょう”, or really the last chunk of it after the ellipsis. Here was my translation:

“I thought, ‘is that so?’ I was watching from the back, but deep down, I felt like it would be Yamashita. But, I don’t know. The way she hit those blows while crying. I was really moved by that. I could really feel the passion that Miu Watanabe put into this summer. When it was decided that my next opponent would be Miu
 I thought ‘this Miu won’t go down easily.’ I’m not sure what I’m going to do tomorrow, but for this ninth time, I’m going to be honest, I’ve never been able to reach the top in summer, so I want to surpass the summer and surpass myself. This summer, I will definitely win.”

And that’s everything I have for that show! I thought it really delivered. I’ll talk about some overall tournament/story impressions when I finish translating the finals, haha.

Hopefully the next one won’t take me quite as long, because there’s quite a bit less to translate.

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I’ve noticed she does also sometimes tends towards like - “friendly belittling”, like when she was briefly on guest commentary for the show after this, she did an accurate but unflattering impression of Kiryu, and I remember a backstage promo or two where she was awfully quick to say 銬鹿野郎 when Kiryu wasn’t following whatever she was on about. So I concur on the kayfabe relationship not being 100% conducive for tag team success! (Makes sense character-wise of course! Kamiyu seems like the kind of friend where you overlook the self-centeredness because “well that’s Kamiyu
” and she’s too cool to be mad anyway
)

Clearly the move is for Kiryu to join Stardom and form a faction with Saya Kamitani


Honestly, I’d just translate it as “you surprised me
”
“突然でビックリしたけど” is like “It was sudden, and I was surprised, but
”
ビックリ is common enough for surprise (as in like “AAAH!! → びっくりした。” for “AAAH!! → that startled me.”) it doesn’t read to me as needing special treatment as a phrase.

This is pretty minor nitpicks, but it’s specifically the preceding thing that she’s saying she felt the strongest, and the bowing and apologizing is particularly 無駄に, so I would potentially spice it up like, “After all, who’s the one closest to you, the one who most wants you to be more assertive instead of fruitlessly bowing and apologizing over and over? Me! So I’ll follow your lead, Mahiro-senpai!”

eyyyyy!!! My time to shine!!

Okay, so this is actually very simple mahjong terminology so I’m quite confident about it!

In Japanese-style mahjong, the goal of the game is to win a hand by fully getting your tiles in order, right? Through a process of drawing 1 tile and discarding 1 tile, repeated over many rounds.
Calling リヌチ, is something you can do when your hand is 1 tile away from being ready to go out. I.e. if you draw certain tiles on your next turn - you can end the round.
What it does is it increases your point total if then you do go out, but it prevents you from doing anything other than drawing tiles and discarding them if they weren’t the tile you need.
It’s like saying “I’m close enough to victory – I bet I’ll be able to win as-is!!” and in-so-doing, foregoing the option of potentially modifying and bettering your method of victory, in favor of increased spoils.
(In my limited experience playing mahjong against computer players, it’s extremely common to call リヌチ when possible, and as a total novice I definitely just call it when I have the option, unless the resulting ‘wait’ - the pool of tiles I would need to go out - was really really terrible).

Okay - so ツモ then, is drawing the winning tile YOURSELF.
There’s four players in Mahjong, and to get a winning tile, you can draw it yourself (ツモ), OR you can take it when another player discards it (ロン).
ツモ is better, and gets you more points, but obviously it’s completely a matter of chance because at that point you’re just waiting to see what cards you draw, and numerically the other players’ draws (and therefore discards) are going to outnumber yours because there’s three of them. And while you might be able to psychologically intuit what tiles they’re likely to discard, or vice versa they might be able to guess what tile you’re waiting on and avoid discarding it – other than that, the possibility of a ロン is mostly chance too, and there’s 3x the players discarding each time you draw, so the chance of a ツモ is relatively slim.
So when you call リヌチ, the only thing left in the game for you to do, is to pray for a ツモ (especially a ツモ on your next hand, since it’s even more points if you go out in the first hand after リヌチ!). On a personal note, I’ve never felt any sense of religious faith, and yet – something about calling リヌチ just fills you with the utmost faith that your next draw will definitely be a ツモ and that will definitely make your mediocre point total amazing.

And so anyway – it’s a very Mahiro Kiryu sort of thing to say here since there really isn’t anything to do to get a ツモ after calling a リヌチ except to do nothing and hope chance smiles on you - you can manufacture the odds a bit beforehand (like, setting it up so there’s 7 remaining tiles that would mean victory for you instead of just one or two), but once you call リヌチ you’re locked in (and it will probably be a ロン anyway – or some jerk will go out before you and it will all be pointless), there’s literally nothing left to do except hope for the best outcome.

Anyway that’s some mahjong flavor, good luck with the translation! :grin:

i’s just です being dropped both times – いいですよ, なんですか - “It’s fine, it’s fine, what’s the matter, it’s fine” – she says it in the video like “いいっすよ、いいっすよ、そんないいっすよ、なんすか, なんすか, いいっすよ” like an incantation while patting her leg, so it’s a rhetorical なんですか like “what is there even to be worried about” and Kamiyu’s really trying to tamp down on the Kiryu apologizing front


No yeah – it’s Kamiyu saying 圓たり前! of course the victory was thanks to her,
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then softening the joke with 嘘嘘
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I would definitely translate it as like “I’m kidding, I’m kidding!” though.
嘘 doesn’t have as strong of a malicious connotation as it does in English - it’s the go-to often when stuff is untrue for any reason, not just active lies (like “嘘!” is the equivalent of “no way!”). And here it’s clearly Kamiyu telling a (characteristically vain and very slightly mean) joke.

Honestly? I’m pretty sure here she’s insisting further that the help from the other two was incredible. I wouldn’t say すごい here has a negative or literally “unbelievable” feeling at all, and it echoes her original comment where (at least in the video) she uses すごい to describe their アシスト. So I would convey the sense more like, “I’m serious!! You were both an incredible help” in response to Kamiyu’s initial joke making light of it.

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I think the 今日は絶察に自分で勝ちたいっお目をしおたので。 part is fine - I found a result saying 目をしおいる is about the speaker’s impressions of what the person being spoken of is feeling, so that checks out with Kamiyu saying Kiryu wanted to win herself.
And she pats her on the shoulder kinda emphasizing where 自分 is pointing there
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The transcript for the next chunk sounds kind of different to what she said in the video to me, which combined with a stumble or two on her part, and the other two’s reactions after it (Kiryu’s just like “ ありがずう!”) makes me think that maybe her thought didn’t come out 100% well, but it seems like the gist is roughly she’s saying she helped by watching over while Kiryu won because she saw the fire in Kiryu’s eyes (sure).

For a bit there I thought the “最埌は荒井ちゃんを前に顔぀きが倉わるなっお芋おたから” part was maybe referring to Arai’s rather confident and haughty change in expression at the beginning of the match when she took careful watch of Akai and emulated her action - since that was something Kamiyu definitely saw and reacted to (when it seemed like at the end of the match Kiryu’s expression wasn’t particularly different and Kamiyu wasn’t really looking at all), and since the particles seem odd with that 荒井ちゃんを  but honestly my best guess is the transcriber got tripped up a bit (which is fair) or clarified the sentence in a way I’m not seeing (which is fair too - one way they did clean it up is they removed a 自分 later in the sentence where Kamiyu was talking about herself and not Kiryu like before) because the original audio sounds more straightforwardly to me in line with what you said in your attempt.
I think again, she’s probably just lightly talking up her control of the situation in a Kamiyu-ish way. And the sentence sorta starting about Kiryu and ending up being about Kamiyu I suppose reflects that :sweat_smile:.

These are tweaked too for some reason (I assume to clarify them in print in some way) but yeah, you have the literal meaning.

The tone is like –
“気合入れおたからね!” nod
“そういうこず!!” nod nod “そういうこずなのよ ”
It’s like – pep. Like “Because you gave it your all!!” “Yeah!! Yeah!..” (tiredly leads into Haruna talking)
(and to be clear the 気合入れおた connects to the thing about the hair with the から - Kiryu’s offering it as a somewhat nonsensical reason that Kiryu’s hair was Toyo blue)

I don’t really have an opinion about the expression since it doesn’t ring a bell and I can’t really make it out in the video, but “uplift” seems pretty good considering she literally does lift up Kiryu at that part and gesticulate with her arm like a puppet!

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(I’ll try to help with the rest tomorrow!)

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Could be wrong about these, but I think the “でも、蚀っおも真匥遞手なんお荒井に割ず最近も圓たったよね” is just saying that recently Mahiro’s been succeeding more / firing on all cylinders more (that part I changed my mind about based on how 圓たった was used in Yuka’s promo), and the “荒井に” is saying like – she said this part TO Arai (and Arai nodded).
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The latter parts I think might be another area where the text doesn’t quite gel like it would if it were a fully composed written text.
I think what’s happening with this part:
“挑戊しおきお、私たちに敵わなくお。今日挑戊しおきたこずを謝らないようにしおほしいなっお思いたす。”
is she’s forming the thought one way, and has 敵わなくお open to tack more clauses on, but then the way she says 今日ね a bit abruptly and with a little head shake sounds to me like she interrupts that first formation of the train of thought and replaces it with another.

For this part the video still wins out! She pats Arai on the leg and says specifically “Yuki-chan” is who she’s talking about here.

I would put this one more clearly like this:
いっぱいいっぱいながらもXを党郚出し切ったず思うので。
Like - “even there were a whole whole lot of them, I used up all of X”
Then the X - 自分のやりたいこずずいうか、甚意した歊噚 is her referring to them as the things she wanted to do, or rather, the weapons she prepared.

One thing I’d say is the many けど’s here in this part aren’t really like a connective grammary English “X but Y” and more like, uncertain/unconfident flavor for what she’s saying. This tofugu article may be a relevant reference.
Hard to describe exactly, but the ‘buts’ in your English rendition sound a bit odd since they don’t always fit together that they would normally with “but” since the sentences just support each other fine without the “buts.” They’re in there in the original because she’s beaten and shaken and frustrated so instead of say, ending thoughts with よ or ね they’re ended with けど as though each is ended with an unspoken follow-on to the “but” like “
 I should have done better” or “
 I’m just making excuses” or “
 I’m not sure” or that kind of thing.

I think more this whole thing: “今日未詩ず闘っお ナカちゃんも勝っお私も決勝でナカちゃんず闘う” was her ぀もり. She intended/expected to fight Miu and for both Yuka and herself to win, and so then fight Yuka in the finals.

I would say the meaning is along the lines of “Even if Yuka-chan attacks her with everything, I was struck fighting her by just how much Miu was able to absorb in the end (so she might be able to absorb Yuka’s attacks too).”

Seems fine to me!
“Breaks into tears” might be over-stating it though – she wells up / chokes up but remains composed.

I think I would phrase it more like “although I’m the one who advanced, 
 when fighting them in a tournament they’re more ガシガシ than usual, or they showed extraordinary guts” - like, the tournament draws out side of them.
I think the “圓たった子” is just - the girl you’re coming up against in the tournament, and トヌナメントで圓たるずより is like, “when facing them in the tournament, they’re more 
 (than when not in the tournament)”

That’s all fine I think! I’d maybe go with “but, wow!” or something like that maybe for “けど、なんでしょう” but it’s not a huge deal since it doesn’t really convey any concrete information anyway!

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週刊プロレス No. (from a few weeks ago, around the start of the 5 Star GP)

Giulia’s column is about Thekla missing the 5 Star GP and how it’s rough for her and a bittersweet opportunity for Momo Kohgo. One point she makes from her own experience dropping out of the tournament last year, is that an especially rough factor psychologically is not having a set daily routine while out injured since your regular obligations are taken away and no one’s supervising you to make sure you replace them in a healthy way. And resting itself takes energy - “「䌑む」「䜓を癒やす」っおのも゚ネルギヌ䜿うしね。”

Kenoh talks about regional shows and when asked says the region he would want to take a show is Okinawa. The interviewer insinuates (how dare he!) Kenoh just wants an excuse to visit Okinawa


Looks like Keiji Mutoh was in an odd match in Dragon Gate.
Apparently for an Ultimo Dragon 35th anniversary show, このたた垂川 was announced to fight a mystery opponent
 that turned out to be the real Keiji Mutoh! I imagine that was a nice surprise for the crowd
 I assume this doesn’t count towards his retirement countdown


The costume column is about Hikaru Shida with a very cool entirely self-made Dr. Strange-inspired gear! Complete with Eye of Agamotto! Apparently she used her dad’s 3D printer for some parts including the amulet, and she likes the movie (and ベネディクト・カンバヌバッチ a lot). The 和柄 Dr. Strange cape is very cool.

Now the special thanks under the copyright for the WWE column says “Special Thanks to WWE, Ms. Stephanie McMahon and Mr. Paul Levesque”

Hideki Suzuki’s column is about his N-1 Victory participation, and it sounds like what he’s interested in most is the opportunity to wrestle new opponents he’s never wrestled before, so he hopes Nakajima doesn’t make it through the other block since he’s wrestled him plenty recently.

The industry column talks with Rossy Ogawa about Stardom as the 5 Star GP gets underway. Mostly topics we’ve already heard about like the 5x growth, and the New Blood and Showcase brands. He says that this isn’t (yet) a “boom” like the joshi wrestling boom in the 80s (that he was around in the industry for), but the goal isn’t a boom anyway since booms don’t last. He makes the point that the Bushi Road guy was talking up the 5x growth, but that just means as a media corporation surely they’ll be expecting continued big growth in the future as well, so his and Stardom’s goal is to prepare for sustainable, sustained growth that’s safe from unexpected eventualities. And with growth comes more logistics, so it sounds his attention is as much or more on prudent behind-the-scenes logistical upgrades than public-facing creative decisions, like they got a new tour bus, stuff like that.

Honestly - a very sparse issue from my perspective, probably since the promotions I follow are all busy with tournaments!
Here’s a couple Stardom pictures to make up for the gap a little bit.


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Finished translating the August 14 TJPW Korakuen show! This one has significantly less dialogue to translate than the last one! Here’s the recap for posterity.

The show opened with the Up Up Girls introducing a new member: Shino, who is a former bus guide! I thought it was funny that they introduced the new member on this show, considering rodan’s original prediction. Unfortunately for poor Miu, you were only half right
 :sweat_smile:

They talk a little more with Shino backstage:

Miu: “So, we have held the audition and chosen a new Up Up Girls (Pro Wrestling) member! Please formally introduce yourself.”

Shino: “I’m Shino, 24 years old, from Shizuoka Prefecture. Nice to meet you!”

Miu: “Wonderful greeting right off the bat, well done. As a former bus guide, do you think you can make use of this experience as a wrestler?”

Shino answered: “生かしおいきたいなヌずは思っおるんですけど、ちょっず 控えめでいろっおバスガむドの時は蚀われおいたので。逆にその反動を䜿っお、うたくプロレスでは爆発させられたらなず思っおいたす.”

I wasn’t 100% sure about this, but here’s what I had:

Shino: “I want to put it to good use, but I was told to be a bit
 reserved as a bus guide. So I hope I can do the opposite of that and have an explosive presence in pro wrestling!”

Miu: “Your target idol and pro wrestler are Oda-san and Nakajima-san.”

Shino elaborates on this: “初めお詊合を生で芋た時、䞭島翔子さんのベルトを懞けた詊合で。その詊合がものすごく蚘憶に残っお、知識のない私の蚘憶に䞀番に残った遞手っおいうのがあったので憧れに挙げさせおいただきたした。倧倉だずは思うんですけど、目暙にしお䞀生懞呜これから頑匵っおいきたいなず思いたす.”

That second sentence was a little tricky for me. Here’s what I had:

Shino: “The first time I saw a match live, it was for the belt that Shoko-san has. That match left a deep impression on me, and she was the wrestler I kept thinking about the most even though I didn’t know anything about wrestling, so I’m naming her as the wrestler I admire. I know it’ll be tough, but I’m going to make that my goal and do my best to work as hard as I can.”

I thought it was neat that the Shoko match that won her over was the same match that got you invested in Shoko, rodan!

Then Miu asked if the others had any questions, and Hikari said: “さっき聞いたから笑”. I translated this as “I just asked it! (laughs)”, but wasn’t quite sure. I think she’s referring to the fact that she asked Shino in the ring if she liked deathmatches.

Miu says: “やめおね あたり悪圱響を䞎えないように笑。あらためお人でアップアップガヌルズプロレスにこれからなっおいくので、みなさん応揎よろしくお願いしたす”

I think with that last line, she’s referring to the fact that the Up Up Girls have four members again?

Miu: “Don’t you dare. Don’t be a bad influence on her (laughs). Once again, the Up Up Girls (Pro Wrestling) is going to have four members from this point on, so everyone, please support us!”

The second part of their comments starts with:

(How did it feel to stand in front of TJPW fans for the first time?)

Shino: “Seeing the penlights and the applause, it felt like such a warm atmosphere. I feel like I don’t seem like someone who’d do wrestling, based on how I look (laughs), but the fact that they still welcomed me with applause, that’s something I’ll remember the rest of my life
”

(When you were a bus guide, where did you work?)

“I worked for three years, mainly in the Kanto area.”

I got a little confused starting from this question:

今床はプロレスラヌずしおそういったこずもそうですね。いろいろ地方興行もされおるず思うので、その時は私が図々しくみなさんを案内できればなず思っおいたす。人でやっおみたいプロレス、曲はなんでもありな遊園地みたいな興行

Here was my attempt:

(Now as a pro wrestler, do you do that sort of thing as well?”

“Well, I think we’ll do shows in various places, so on those occasions, I think I’ll be able to boldly guide everyone around.”

(As a group, what kind of wrestling or song would you like to perform?)

“A show at an amusement park where anything goes?”

Miu gives her own answer for that last question:

そもそも私たち幎近く単独ラむブをやっおないじゃないですか。なので人ずしおあらためおスタヌトするので、単独ラむブだったりプロレスもあるラむブだったり、ラむブだけのラむブだったり。もっずアむドルずしおの掻動の堎も広げおいきたいなっお個人的には思っおいたす

That second sentence was a little bit confusing :sweat_smile:. Here’s what I had:

Miu: “To begin with, we haven’t had a solo live concert in nearly four years. Since we’re starting anew with four members, we’ll have some solo performances, some performances with wrestling as well, and some concerts with just music. Personally, I would like to expand my activities as an idol.”

The first match with comments is Max the Impaler & Yuki Aino vs Shoko and Rika. Extremely fun match that made me really want to see Max get a singles match with Shoko, haha. TJPW has actually already announced that Max will be coming back for Wrestle Princess III in October, which I’m really looking forward to.

Backstage, Shoko and Rika said:

Tatsumi: “They had way too much power.”

Nakajima: “I only found out the day before that I was going to fight the Impaler. But Rika is kind of a monster, too.”

Then Rika said: “こっちも倧怪獣が぀いおくれおたから” This one was a little tricky, but I think she basically said: “Coming from the Big Kaiju over here!” ?

There was an exchange that went like this:

Nakajima: “It felt like with the two of us, we could manage somehow. Even though I was scared, I still had some fun, despite being in a bit of a pinch.”

Tatsumi: “I hope they come to Japan again.”

Tatsumi: “Come anytime!”

Tatsumi: “I’ll be waiting for you, Impaler-chan. We’re friends!”

Nakajima: “Friends!?”

Tatsumi: “We’re friends now that we’ve had a match together!”

Nakajima: “Be friends!”

(Is that power really something that you have never experienced before?)

“It really is.”

Tatsumi: “It blows me away.”

Then Shoko said: “あんなに軜々䞊げられるこずがないので、うちのパワヌクラスもね。あんなに軜々ず猫を持ち䞊げるようにはなかったのでびびりたした.”

I think I understood the meaning of this, maybe? But translating it was a little tricky. Here was my attempt, followed by the rest of the exchange:

Nakajima: “I’ve never had someone lift me that easily, because we don’t have anyone of that power level. It wasn’t like they were lifting someone as light as Neko, so that made me nervous.”

Tatsumi: “We made it back alive; we protected peace on earth!”

(Next, do you want to beat the Impaler?)

Nakajima: “Of course.”

Tatsumi: “I want to do it if I get the chance.”

Nakajima: “Maybe we could fight overseas, not just in Japan.”

Tatsumi: “I want to go worldwide!”

Max and Yuki’s comments were fun.

Yuki started out by saying:

センキュヌマックス、こんな匷い人ず組んでお負けたの本圓に悔しいです。ああ、情けない。でも、コミュニケヌション取れないかなず、難しいかなず思っおたけど、最初は。だけど、党然 たあ党然ずいうほどじゃないけど苊笑、最埌のほうはちょっずは通じ合えたんじゃないかなっお思っおたす。ねえマックス

I think I did okay on the first half, but the second half was confusing :sweat_smile:. Here was my attempt, and the the rest of the exchange:

Aino: “Thank you, Max. I’m really disappointed that I lost when I was on a team with such a strong person. Oh, it’s pathetic. I thought it would be difficult, that we wouldn’t be able to communicate, at first. But it wasn’t entirely like that
 well, not entirely (wry smile). At the end, I think we could’ve communicated a little better. Right, Max?”

The Impaler just growls.

Aino: “A super cool wrestler came, and that was super exciting for TJPW, and I learned so much. Thank you! The Big Kaiju and the Dragon were breaking some rules, huh? Big Kaiju and Dragon, very strong!”

The Impaler growls.

Aino: “But, Max is also very strong.”

The Impaler flexes their biceps.

And then the main event, Miu vs Yuka in the Tokyo Princess Cup finals
 I really loved this match and was on the edge of my seat the entire time. I was so devastated to see Miu lose!

This result was, shall we say, a bit of a controversial one :sweat_smile:. It was, believe it or not, Yuka’s first time winning this tournament, so it’s not exactly an “Okada wins the G1” type of result, but it opened the pandora’s box of discourse among the western fandom re: TJPW’s booking style. I’ve spent a lot of time thinking about it, especially while spending so much time with the wrestlers’ words over the past couple weeks, but I think I’ll save that for its own post.

After Yuka wins, she says: “ 倏に勝ったぞヌ 回目のこのトヌナメントで、メンバヌが枛ったり増えおるなかで、こんなにみんな匷くなっおお めっちゃだるいけど、めっちゃ嬉しいです やべヌよ、アむツ どんどん遞手局も厚くなっおお、䞀人䞀人がギラギラしおお。キラキラだけじゃない東京女子も芋おもらえたかなず思いたす.”

I actually had a bit of help with this because Mr. Haku did some live translation on twitter, so I fell back on his translations to double check tone and overall meaning. That was especially helpful for something like “やべヌよ、アむツ”, which I pulled his translation for directly.

Here’s my attempt for the above part:

Sakazaki: “I surpassed summer! This is my 9th time doing this tournament. Members have come and gone, but overall the roster has gotten so much stronger
 It’s lame, but I’m so happy! Holy shit, Miu was so tough! The bracket just keeps getting tougher and tougher, and everyone is shining. I hope you were able to see a side of TJPW that isn’t just sparkles."

Then Yuka said: “倏に嫌われ続けた女がこうやっお新しいトロフィヌ ちょっずピンクで気にくわないけど、でもこんなトロフィヌが私の䞭にあっお、ずっおも嬉しいです涙。でも今回のトヌナメントで結果私以倖は悔しい思いをしたみんながいお。トヌナメントに回出おる山䞋ずか䞭島が負けおる姿を芋お、私の䞭でもなんか倉わるものがあっお。すごい、このトヌナメント䞭に心が揺さぶられたした.”

The main line that confused me was: “でも今回のトヌナメントで結果私以倖は悔しい思いをしたみんながいお.” Mr. Haku translated it (on the fly) as: “but everyone else in the tournament holds a certain level of frustration.” But it seemed to me like Yuka was maybe being more general with みんな than just referring to the other TJPW members? I dunno. Here was my attempt:

“The woman who hated summer got the new trophy. The pink makes me a little bit sick, but having a trophy like this, it makes me so happy (cries). But everyone was frustrated over the results of this tournament except for me. Yamashita and Nakajima have participated in this tournament nine times, and when I saw them lose, something changed inside of me.”

This whole next part was tricky, haha :sweat_smile:: “感情がぐしゃぐしゃになっお なんお蚀えばいいのかな涙。私は東京女子のお姉ちゃんだからみんなに頑匵っおもらいたいし、みんなのいいずこをもっず知っおもらいたいし、みんな頑匵っおる姿を芋おもらいたいっお思っおるけど。いじわるばっかりしお、でも私だっお応揎されたくっお、いろんな感情になったけど ”

My attempt:

“My feelings are so messy
 what can I say (cries). I am the big sister in TJPW, so I want everyone to do their best, and discover their strengths, and I want everyone to see how hard they’re working. I’m always mean, but I want to be cheered, too, and I have so many emotions
”

Then Yuka finishes with:

"but I have this gross pink trophy, so I guess I’m good now! Okay, I’ve surpassed the summer, so does that mean I get to challenge again for that white belt? Shoko, I’ve already challenged once, but can I do it one more time? Please? Can you come out?”

Shoko enters the ring, and she says: “調子狂うから笑そんな颚に、そういう顔されるず.”

I wasn’t quite sure about it, but here’s how I translated it, plus the rest of the exchange that followed:

Nakajima: “When you make a face like that, it drives me crazy (laughs).”

Sakazaki: “Sorry!”

Nakajima: “When I beat you at Cyberfight Fest, I thought that this time, I would definitely stand at the top of TJPW and lead everyone. But I lost the tournament
 I lost because I was weak. You faced the same adversity but managed to win. I beat you once, but facing you always gives me courage, and you always encourage me to do better. It was very painful to watch, but you showed all of your preparation and pride from the past nine years, all of it. I, from my end, would like to fight you one more time, with the belt on the line.”

Sakazaki: “Thank you.”

Nakajima: “October 9, TDC Hall, please have a championship match with me once again!”

They both bow, then shake hands and embrace. Nakajima leaves the ring.

Sakazaki: “Okay, now that the championship match with Shoko-ta has been set, I have my new goal. Yeah. Now that I’ve conquered summer, I’m going to conquer winter, too. TJPW is going to keep marching on, and everyone is going to do their best, so please follow us!”

She closed out the show with, “Let’s go! Enjoy! Oh!”

Backstage, Yuka said:

Sakazaki: “Well, I’m really glad that I could finally conquer summer. Last year, I couldn’t participate, and that was partially my fault, but this time, I finally surpassed summer, and my bonds with the TJPW members have deepened.”

The interviewer asked: “回戊から厳しさが目立っおいたした.” I had a little trouble deciding on a translation for 厳しさ. I think that quality is what a lot of the fans were noticing in Yuka’s last three tournament matches, and it was sort of Yuka, well, deciding to play the villain a bit, I guess. She was trying to make herself into an immovable wall to keep the younger wrestlers in their place, for at least a little while longer. It was interesting to me that they directly asked her about it.

Yuka answered the question by basically giving her evaluation of all of the younger wrestlers she faced. Lots of lines in this I wasn’t quite sure about :sweat_smile:.

For Kaya, she said: “鳥喰もハむフラむダヌなんですけど、どこか自分自身を出せおないのかなっお郚分があっお。私ず詊合するこずによっお䜕か぀かんでくれたらいいなっお気がしお 詊合詊合で聞いおるような。『どうしたいの』っお聞いおるような詊合だったかなずは思うんですけど.”

Here was my attempt:

“Toribami is also a high flyer, but there’s a part of her that I feel like she’s not able to show. I hope that she can get something through her matches with me
 like I’m asking her that in every single match. I think the match was asking, ‘How do you want to do it?’"

Here was her evaluation of Hikari: “ヒカリに関しおは新しいサブミッションだったりずか、たぶん本人は蚀っおないず思うんですけど、グラップリングずか柔術ずかもやっおるのかなっおいう気はするので。そういう郚分でもっず䌞びお、倉わろうっお気があったので。優しいので、どこか打撃ずかも䜕回も打おばいいのにっお気はしおお。倖れおしたったら倖れおしたったで、䜕回でも䜕回でも盞手に効くたで打おばいいので。そういう郚分で、もっずおいで、もっずおいでっお思っおた詊合ではありたした.”

I was most confused by the 優しい line, and basically everything that followed after that. Here was my attempt:

"As far as Hikari is concerned, I think she has been doing some new submissions, and although she might not have said it, some grappling and jujitsu. It felt like she wanted to make progress and change in those sorts of areas. She’s gentle, so I felt like her blows could hit me over and over again. If they miss, then they miss; you should just hit your opponent over and over again until it works. In that part of the match, I was thinking, ‘c’mon, c’mon, more, more!’”

Then she talks about Suzume: “鈎芜に関しおは、もう来なくおいいのにっおくらいガツガツきおお。いたこの倏に乗ろう、自分の波を䜜ろうっおいう気があったのかなっお.”

I wasn’t quite sure about ガツガツ or the second sentence, haha. Here was my best shot:

“As for Suzume, although she wasn’t able to make it yet, she’s becoming so hungry for it. It felt like she wanted to ride the summer and make her own waves."

Here’s her evaluation of Miu: “今日の未詩に関しおは䞭島、山䞋を超えおきたっお自信が䌝わっおきたのですごいやりにくかったですけど、でも肌を合わせおるずそれも嬉しくお。でも痛いし、力匷いし。すごいヘロヘロになったけど最埌は東京女子での姉ちゃんずしおの嚁厳ず蚀うか。ここで負けたらダメだろ、ここで私が食い止めないず っお気持ちがあったので。今回の詊合で私もすごい、自分の䞭で心情的にも粟神的にも぀かめたものがあったので。すごい財産な幎ですね、今幎は.”

Just a lot of stuff I wasn’t fully confident on (including whether “ここで負けたらダメだろ、ここで私が食い止めないず” was about Miu specifically or about the younger generation as a whole
). Here was my attempt:

"And for Miu today, her confidence over having surpassed Nakajima and Yamashita came through, so she was very difficult to fight, but I was also happy to link up with her. But she was powerful, and it was so painful. I was utterly exhausted, but in the end, it was something like my dignity as an older sister in TJPW. I thought, ‘I can’t lose here, I have to hold them off here
’ In this match, there was something I was able to grasp mentally and emotionally from within myself. This year has been a great asset for me.”

The second part of Yuka’s comments is thankfully much more straightforward! She says:

(You find the trophy’s color to be displeasing?)

“Yes, I do. It was silver when they were making it. But when I took my eyes off of it for just one second, it turned pink. Why pink? I was a little bummed. But I was still happy to get it, though.”

(About challenging Nakajima)

“As for TDC, I had a match with Mizuki, and now I’m going to have another bout with Shoko Nakajima. TDC
 I think it’s a turning point for me. As we head there this time, I intend to get that white belt from Shoko Nakajima!”

(I do wonder a little bit if Yuka keeps referring to it as a “white belt” on purpose just to troll a little :sweat_smile:)

I think Miu’s comment was pretty straightforward? The only line that confused me a bit was: “でも、私は悔しくなった数だけ、涙を流した数だけ、それ以䞊に努力しお、たた先茩たちの壁を远いかけるだけなので,” mostly because I felt like I more or less understood the Japanese, but had a little difficulty conveying the same meaning in English.

Miu: (With tears streaming down her face) “I lost in the finals
 I’m really frustrated, but Yuka-san was truly strong and was too large, too high of a wall that I was unable to surmount. But as many times as I’ve been frustrated, as many times as I’ve cried, I just have to keep working hard and chase after the wall that is my senpais once again. From here, I will chase after them and catch up with them again. Someday, I will win, no, next year I will win. I’m going to try my best to become even stronger, and a more worthy wrestler, like the three senpais I faced this year. To everyone who gave me so much support this time, please continue to cheer for me.”

The next part of her comment starts:

(From your point of view, how was this summer?)

“It was more than sufficient. Truly, this timing, I’m so happy to be able to have matches with the three founding members of the company, in the ninth year of this tournament. I’m so, so happy. But it was also a great ordeal."

Then she says: “日間メむンむベントでめちゃくちゃ緊匵したんですけど、やっぱりメむンずしお普段の先茩たちみたいにちゃんずした詊合をしお勝っおっおいうのを決めおたんですけど ”

Got a little bit tripped up by this sentence, but I think I figured it out? Maybe? Here was the rest:

"Being in the main event two days in a row, I was ridiculously nervous, but I was determined to have great matches with my senpais who are used to being in the main event, and win like they do, but
 Well, it was a really intense summer. It’ll probably be a summer I’ll never forget
 But I want to make next summer even more intense and win the tournament!”

And finally, Shoko’s comment! She started with:

Nakajima: “I’ll be putting my belt on the line against Yuka Sakazaki in a title match one more time, at October 9 at TDC Hall. I was eliminated in the tournament. So I had a lot to think about."

Then she said: “やっぱり、ちょくちょく口にしおしたったんですけど、埌茩たちに察する期埅感ずいうか。ファンのみなさんの勝ち䞊がっおほしいずいう期埅感を自分の埌茩たちに向ければ向けるほど、たた負けるこずを期埅されおるなっお思っおしたっお.”

I struggled over this sentence for a long time :sweat_smile:. Here is what I puzzled out, plus what followed after it:

"It’s often said, but there are a lot of expectations for my juniors, or rather there was a sense that all of the fans wanted her to win, and the more they turned toward my juniors, the more it felt like they were expecting me to lose again. That doesn’t mean I was weak, but there were times where I felt like giving in to my weakness. But Yuka Sakazaki fought to the end and won after fighting with nine years of resolve and pride, and that really gave me courage. "

Shoko finished with: “情けないなずも思っお でも、こんな私でも『もう回やろ』っお蚀っおくれるなら、私は同じくらいの芚悟ずプラむドを懞けお、キャリアのすべおを懞けお、もう䞀床闘いたいず思いたした.”

I wasn’t confident on this either, but here’s what I had:

“I felt ashamed
 but if she could say ‘let’s do it one more time’ when I was in this state, then I could put on that same resolution and pride, put my whole career into it, and fight her one more time.”

And that’s everything for that show! Didn’t quite finish it in time for the next one, but I got close! :sweat_smile:

A nuance I missed while watching initially is that Shoko felt like she wanted to ask Yuka to challenge her (instead of approaching it as Yuka having earned the right to challenge), because Yuka managed to beat the threat that Shoko couldn’t. It sort of restored Shoko’s faith in herself because it showed that their generation is still standing tall (for now
).

Also, Yuka made the front cover of shupro after winning the tournament! I love seeing joshi wrestlers make the cover, and it makes me especially happy when TJPW does, because that only started happening recently (last year, I believe).

There was also a special extra feature on Yuka in the back, for having made the cover. I didn’t really have the time to attempt to properly read it, but I couldn’t resist skimming it, and it was interesting to me because it seemed to touch on a lot of topics, including TJPW’s generation struggle and their overall booking strategy (in a very kayfabed way, of course), which have been hot-button discourse topics among western fans lately, haha.

It’ll be interesting to see what you think when you get to that issue, rodan! I’ll save the rest of my thoughts for another post :blush:.

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Ah, but I said it was unlikely so I got to smug both when it looked like it would happen and when it ultimately didn’t! :blush:

I think this is fine, but the nuance that ties it together is that the 反動 isn’t like, the opposite, but like, the recoil. She’s saying like, she hopes she’ll be able to use the built up tension from having to be reserved as a bus driver, to be let loose in pro wrestling.

For this part, something I’d note is that I guess while Miu doesn’t technically ask a question here (just prompts her a little to comment) – she’s asking Shino to elaborate about something she said in the ring when introducing herself, when she said what kind of wrestler she wanted to be and then said “憧れの遞手は䞭島翔子” and similarly cited Oda as an idol she looked up to.
Miu raises the subject sorta parroting the introductory rhythm those two names were mentioned, and they laugh – it’s got a very like, “this is the fun fact I was told to provide on move-in day at college and now I’m getting grilled on it” kind of vibe to me :sweat_smile:
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Which is just to say I guess that in the English transcript adding a "You said that [ X ]
? " might be good to make it clear what’s happening.

With that context, this is definitely a nitpick since it means more-or-less the same thing, but I would say this alternate rendition is closer to the original tone:
“That match stands out a lot in my memory, and since there was one wrestler who stood out the most vividly to my uninitiated eyes, I listed her as the wrestler I look up to.”
The original doesn’t imply to me the deep, active impact the way “deep impression” and “I kept thinking about the most” do to some extent. And similarly the past-tense of 憧れに挙げさせおいただきたした means she’s talking about when she said it in-ring.
I’d say there’s an aspirational element to 憧れ in this introducing-her-to-us context where the choice is asking as much about what kind of wrestler Shino wants to be as who she admires (so that’s the sense that informs the transition to her last sentence here about working to that goal) – 憧れる might be one of those words that’s a little hard to get the exact right analog for in English sometimes. I know it’s one I’ve occasionally taken to dropping into English sentences because of that


Not quite! For me it was Grand Princess when she won it, but for Shino she said in-ring that the first wrestling show she saw was actually 05/03 of this year in Korakuen, so it was Misao’s title shot!
I got the impression she didn’t follow wrestling at all before applying (having done so from more the “idol otaku” direction), and went (or got taken?) to that show to see what it was like because she was far along in the process at that point. But she said she was impressed and she got wrapped up in the show and wanted to do pro wrestling from it! Answering job interview-style questions seems stressful enough without it being on stage too! But she seems really good at providing good job interviewee style answers
Minor language point since I’m already talking about it – It’s entirely possible you were characterizing that korakuen hall match as when I got invested in Shoko Nakajima (which is completely fair! :sweat_smile:), but just in case you were talking about Grand Princess, I would say that “䞭島翔子さんのベルトを懞けた詊合” sounds to me like “a match where Shoko Nakajima-san’s belt was on the line” – like, it sounds as a phrase more like a title defense match where she went in as champion than where she challenged for it (even if it could maybe technically apply to the latter too.)
(but either way yes, when she mentioned Nakajima and a match I’d seen and remember too I thought it was neat and was on her side haha)

Yep, definitely!
(She responded in-ring that she watched a Hikari deathmatch on youtube and thought “気持ちいいな!” and said if there was a possibility of Hikari being willing to train her, perhaps
)

After googling to check if that was ever the case, I agree!

A really minor nitpick / context tidbit is when she says 芋た目, she gestures and looks downward from the t-shirt down, so I would say it’s more like, generically “judging by appearances” or talking specifically about how she would come across at the moment in that particular outfit. “how I look” sounds a little more like based on her inherent looks/facial features than the original does to me.

I feel like there’s a decent chance the Japanese transcriber was working off the video and the same bad audio for the non-mic’d reports as me, and that the original question was more like “so next time you’re in that area it’ll be as a pro wrestler, right?”
I feel like I hear a ずころ more than a こず  and
“Where did you work as a bus guide?” → “So what’ll it be like going to those places now as a wrestler?”
makes waaaaayy more sense to me as clear follow-up question and train of thought than
“Where did you work as a bus guide?” → “So are you going to be doing that sort of thing as a pro wrestler?”
But who knows!

Just a context note here – the other wrestlers cheer when she says this, so she’s talking about like, guiding the other wrestlers around while touring :smile:

I feel like this guy didn’t formulate his question super duper well because I mean, I can’t ever make out anything the reporters are saying, but this time it seems like everyone stands around for a bit confused trying to figure out how to answer whatever he’s asking about
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and he clarifies, I think by saying 䞻催 and maybe プロデュヌス - I think what’s happening is he asked them like (maybe following a line of thought from the talent agency raising the possibility of like, all Up Up Girls shows and stuff), what kind of events they as a group would like to hold or produce, but they didn’t have a set answer because
 they’re the performers? That’s not really their job?
So that’s why I think Raku gives a sort of empty whimsical answer before Miu shifts around the focus of the question by rephrasing it enough to successfully answer it. :sweat_smile:

With that context one thing to be careful about is I think the "だったり"s here are like, her providing answers to the question (of events she would like to hold) - “we’ll have some solo performances, some performances with wrestling as well, and some concerts with just music” makes it sound like a surer thing than examples offered to a hypothetical question, and might be one of those things twitter folks jump on and get turned around about :grin:

The literal is like – “yeah, but only because I also had a 倧怪獣 with me!”
“倧怪獣が぀いおくれおた” is like, “a Giant Kaiju was gracious enough to come along with me.” :grin:
So yes – she’s referring to Nakajima and her nickname (commentary also was constantly doing that with respect to her and Max both being 怪獣)

Typo! Nakajima said the middle one :slightly_smiling_face:

This one seems like it could use an English tweak – it sounds in yours here like he’s maybe asking about the power of friendship :sweat_smile:
In the original, the topic broach of “パワヌは、” signals the topic change better.

I’m pretty sure the 猫 part is like, a real cat :laughing:

I got tripped up a bit looking at the transcript too, but I’m pretty confident now about what’s going on here, and here’s what I think:

She’s excited and talking pretty quick and getting a bit of a clause traffic jam, but the idea she’s communicating is: “I’ve never been picked up so effortlessly – it was like I was a cat Max was picking up! – I was shocked!”

So the end of the sentence is:
びびりたした, right?
Why’d she びびりたした?
Well, two reasons:

  1. あんなに軜々䞊げられるこずがないので
  2. うちのパワヌクラスもね。あんなに軜々ず猫を持ち䞊げるようにはなかったので

I think the period in the transcript tricks you into thinking that it’s the full end of a thought like in English, but it’s not English, it’s a transcript of a person talking in Japanese :sweat_smile: so if you swap it out for a comma, I think the structure is clearer. It connects more with the following thought than the clause before.

But crucially, conceptually it works for both! so I’d speculate the transcriber understandably (as I did initially when reading the transcription and writing this) interpreted it as tacking on information to the preceding clause (like “I’ve never been shot – not even by Bob!”) when the only problem with that is then the なかった later on when she ties up her sentences’ loose ends is out of place! (sort of like – “I’ve never been shot! Not even by Bob has such a heinous attempt on my life been made!”)
It’s just one of those things you might not notice got tripped up since it means basically the same thing either way and periods don’t have quite as much stopping power so to speak in Japanese anyway
 unless you’re trying to translate specifically the transcript, in which case it’s a sneaky source of understandable confusion!

Does that explanation make sense? I could be wrong, but I feel pretty confident about it! And it felt kinda neat when the pieces fell into place and I saw what was going on. :sweat_smile:

Was the original 苊笑?
Minor nitpick, but this seems more like a “pained laugh” to me:
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It comes across to me like it’s mainly the pain of losing and the physical pain of the match that’s contributing the è‹Š element here.

I think the catch here is that the 結果 alone like that particle-wise conveys like, “in the end”
Like, I think grammatically speaking it’s not the 結果 of the tournament that everyone is feeling 悔しい思い about, I think it’s that in this tournament, the end result is, everyone’s 悔しい思い except her.
With that + then her talking about the other participants who lost, I do lean towards Mr. Haku’s conceptualization of the みんな here being everyone in the tournament, but it might be one you can phrase similarly enough to her original to pass the interpretation buck on!

It doesn’t look like the translation for this part got pasted. Just mentioning in case it was overlooked in the translation!

Looks pretty good to me!
Minor maybe-nitpick not super sure comment, Since she’s addressing the crowd, I think the “みんな頑匵っおる姿を芋おもらいたい” and maybe the clause before it is maybe addressing them.

Also minor, but I think the いろんな感情になった is like, describing the conflicting emotions she’s been talking about - wanting others cheered, wanting herself cheered, being mean, etc.
I don’t really know how best to phrase it or put what I’m getting at into words, but “and I have so many emotion” makes it sound a little like a separate thing to me – like (description of a bunch of emotions), and I have a lot of emotions. When I think it’s more like, various emotions have welled up (like all those ones I just described), if that makes sense.

Another nitpick (apparently I’m picky today?) but the original sounds like もういいや! to me – and
 I guess I don’t have a great alternative to offer, so I’m not sure what would be better, but the sense of the original is a bit
 harsher? More forceful? to me.
Like, it’s a triumphal moment with crowd applause where she raises her conflicted feelings, then says like, but I won, so enough with all that!
Switching from talking about the conflicted emotions of the moment to basking in the moment that she won, with a half-serious but sincere like, verbal desk clearing to cut the emotional tension.
I guess the point to make is in もういい, it’s もういい in the sense of like – that’s enough already, drop it / let’s make a change, that kind of thing, not いい in the sense of, I’m fine!

Some video context here is that Shoko enters ringside maintaining a serious face, breaks into a little nervous laughter when Yuka asks for her to be provided with a microphone, and then Shoko forgets to turn on the microphone and makes this face right before saying all that:
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So I believe that’s why the から is in there in “調子狂うから” like “(if it seems flustered) it’s because I’m flustered!” and so in a sense she’s kayfabing why she’s corpsing :sweat_smile:

The 顔 される’ing her would I suppose just be teary-eyed Yuka.

“drives me crazy” makes me think more like “getting worked up” whereas this feels more to me like “getting all out of sorts” – Nakajima seems definitively on the shy side (at least as far as pro-wrestlers go
), so “I’m nervous and it’s your fault for looking at me” is a valid complaint
 :sweat_smile:

For some reason (time? Relevancy to the day’s match?) the twitter version cuts directly from the answer to the previous question to her talking about Miu.

I would say the どこか自分自身を出せお part isn’t so much about 出せお’ing a どこか of your 自分自身, but more like, 出せお’ing your 自分自身 どこか, if that makes sense.
Like, Yuka’s wondering if there’s room for Toribami to show more of herself and her personal flair in some way. That lines up with the 『どうしたいの』 question - her matches are trying to draw that out of Toribami, to help her find her personal style.

Not that much more but I will have to pick up the rest later!

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Thank you! I did miss that sentence! Does “My spirit was so shaken during this tournament” sound about right? :sweat_smile:

That one actually came from Mr. Haku, too! Though of course, he’s translating on the fly (and trying to compress it into a single tweet), and also could have misheard, haha. His translation for this part was: “I’m the big sister here so I want everyone to do well and I want people to see our roster members do well, but at the same time I want to do well too
 it’s really complex BUT I GUESS I’M GOOD BECAUSE I HAVE THE TROPHY.”

Maybe what mine lacks is the capslock? ahaha

Thanks again for all of your help!

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Just a long ramble about the Tokyo Princess Cup, twitter discourse, and TJPW's booking style.

This year’s TPC inspired some, uh, very heated discourse on twitter. It started with Yuka vs Hikari, then reached nuclear levels when Yuka beat Miu :sweat:. It’s really frustrating to read for a lot of reasons, and I tried to stay away from it, but the consequence of translating this stuff is that you end up kind of marinating in the emotions of the shows a lot


So, uh, here’s a post?

Something that bugs me about a lot of TJPW discourse in western fandom is that people get really upset over TJPW’s singles title scene being (at least in the present day) heavily dominated by three wrestlers: Yuka, Shoko, and Miyu. It’s a frustrating criticism to me because 1) all three of those wrestlers are really, really good and deserve the title reigns that they got, and 2) men’s wrestling promotions in Japan have had a similarly restricted title scene since the beginning of time??

Like, I started watching NJPW at what is generally considered the tail end of their peak, in 2019, before things went sort of sideways. At the time, it was just generally accepted that NJPW would only give their top title to a small pool of guys (there was about four of them at any given time). One of those guys would be the G1 winner, and the Wrestle Kingdom main would be a match between him and another one of their so-called “pillars”. And, yeah, that was how it went! And this was considered generally great booking!

From my understanding, AJPW and other companies have had very similar booking to TJPW’s style. I’ve heard it referred to as “dojo style” booking, though I have no knowledge of my own to really back this up, haha.

So I guess my question here is why is it considered uniquely bad for TJPW to book their top, most experienced wrestlers, who are in the prime of their career, very strongly? Why can men’s wrestling do this and it’s fine, but not a joshi company?

Obviously it’s a very different approach to the one that Stardom takes, where outsiders are frequently given huge opportunities and lengthy title reigns without having to come up in their dojo system. And I’m glad that other companies are out there doing different stuff so that there’s some diversity, but personally Stardom’s booking style has a habit of frequently ripping the rug out from under me because things change so often there (especially the tag teams
 :pensive:). I tried to watch Stardom for a solid two years, and their booking kept bouncing off of me because it felt like it was punishing my investment in tag teams :sweat_smile:.

I guess maybe I’m just someone who prefers stuff to be on a much longer term scale. Which shouldn’t be a surprise, considering the fact that the thing that got me into wrestling in the first place was a decade plus long story, which I have been faithfully waiting to resume for 3+ years now.

So I really like stories that are slower moving, but which reward your investment the longer you follow them. And TJPW’s booking style is great for this! The growth of the characters and their relationships often happens in small, subtle moments that accumulate over time, but nothing ever really gets forgotten. People sometimes accuse their stories of being static, but I think there are loads of narrative details happening at all times that are just getting overlooked.

And the climb to the top is a very, very long one. Rika only just won the Princess of Princess belt for the first time in 2021. Even Shoko is only on her second reign, despite how long she’s been with the company. Her first was in 2019.

Mizuki, Maki Itoh, and Miu are all on their way there. But TJPW is a company where storylines play out over many years. Their pacing is much more akin to the Japanese men’s wrestling companies I watch (with the exception of NOAH, which makes utterly inexplicable booking decisions
). You have to adjust the timeframe a little due to the relative newness of TJPW as a company, but expect these things to still take several years.

Which I guess brings me to this year. I think Shoko actually set this up really well right before she won the title, though I don’t think I really noticed at the time. She mentioned being afraid of basically losing her place because the competition from the younger members is getting tougher, and so she challenged for the belt with the feeling that it would be the last time she’d ever get to hold it and main event all of those big shows.

She also said that with her reign, that was the start of chapter two of TJPW.

And, well
 chapter two is essentially sowing the seeds for Shoko, Yuka, and Miyu’s own destruction. The end of chapter one was establishing them at the top, and now we’re seeing the end of their era looming over the promotion.

It’s an interesting story because it’s sort of a tragedy but a hopeful story at the same time. It’s really inspiring and hopeful to see the younger generation really succeed and thrive, but it’s a tragedy for Shoko, Yuka, and Miyu (who I’m sure will continue to be prominently involved, but won’t have such a monopoly over the top of the card).

The wrestlers themselves have talked about this over and over. Yuka, Shoko, and Miyu all feel super conflicted over it. They want their juniors to succeed, but at the same time, they’re scared and desperate, willing to do just about anything to hold onto their power while they still can. Yuka and Shoko were so extremely shaken by Miu’s performance in the TPC, because she’s their worst fear manifesting right before their eyes.

But Yuka winning means they can hold on for a little longer. That’s why both Yuka and Shoko felt relieved and reassured by Yuka’s victory. Yuka vs Shoko for the title is familiar ground to them. Even if they lose to the other person, that’s not as scary, because it doesn’t portend the end of their era like losing to Miu would.

(Sidenote: I’m not a big fan of rematches, so I wasn’t the most excited for another Yuka vs Shoko match coming so soon after their last one, but I saw someone point out that they’ve only wrestled for this title twice before (once in November 2019 at DDT Ultimate Party, and then a couple months ago at CyberFest), and neither of those times were at an actual TJPW show. So maybe they deserve to have at least this one
)

None of this is really new analysis, I don’t think, for anyone who has been following their post match comments and interviews over the past year :sweat_smile:. But it’s frustrating to see other fans treating Miu losing to Yuka in the TPC as if it’s a sign of ~typical TJPW booking, where the “pillar” goes over the younger talent at the moment when it really counts :roll_eyes:~

For one thing, this TPC was actually very, very different from how the tournament typically goes. I can’t speak for the years before 2020, but I think that 1) it’s very telling that Yuka and Miyu, despite their reputation in the fandom, had never won it before, and 2) in 2020 and in 2021, it was very much set up to give a big feel-good victory to Mizuki and then to Itoh.

2022 was not like that! The first half of the tournament felt pretty typical to me, but then it all changed in the quarterfinals, which is when Suzume got her big upset victory, and then Miu pinned Shoko. From that moment on, it really felt to me that we’d suddenly entered unknown territory. There was this amazing sense of possibility, like anything could happen. Could Miu really pin all three of the so-called pillars just like that? In a row? It would be completely unprecedented.

Of course, at the end of the day, she couldn’t quite do it. She was almost there. And it was the first time I’ve seen the TPC have, well, a bad ending (not “bad” in the sense of bad writing, but bad in the sense of the good guy loses).

Overall, I think the whole thing will be one of those wrestling things that really sticks in my memory for a long time. I was utterly floored by how Miu had managed to get me so behind her here (after I was rather lukewarm when she won the tag tournament earlier this year :sweat_smile:), and naturally I was devastated to see her lose. She got so close


But she did get her message across (and Suzume, too). The generation struggle storyline is one that has been brewing quietly all year, but it has been a frustrating sticking point in the twitter discourse because lots of fans apparently haven’t noticed it or don’t really believe that it’s, like, the text of the story, or something.

Sometimes it makes me feel like I’m going crazy for seeing something that feels so obvious to me, but which is invisible to other people, but I have to remind myself that I quite literally had access to information that most western fans did not have, so of course it’s harder for others to notice or believe


In any case, I feel pretty confident in saying that Miu’s legendary but ill-fated TPC run is just the beginning of the story. The generation struggle is not over.

And I think the, well, text bears me out here? When I looked at the piece at the back of the shupro issue where Yuka earned the cover, it was labeled: “䞖代闘争䞻題のトヌナメントに東京の歎史あり自圚独立路線を守るため新人育成はに意識.”

One of the pull quotes said: 「新しい遞手が簡単にベルト挑戊できなかったり、歎史を重んじおいる」

And, yeah! That’s basically everything I just said summed up. I like the last part especially, 歎史を重んじおいる, saying that TJPW respects history, because I think that’s kind of the heart of long-term booking in general, and it shows that that’s an actual deliberate focus for the company.

The piece also appears to talk about TJPW’s evolution as a company. I feel like fans also forget this part, that they’re still fairly young, and only just now reaching the point where they can run Ryogoku Kokugikan on their own, and the like. Even in 2019, that was an impossible dream for them. They’re a promotion that quite literally started with the wrestlers wrestling on a mat in like bars (not unlike Prominence
).

I just think about Miyu tearing up because they have enough history to have a generation struggle now. This is truly only the beginning.

I guess one last note, I saw a little bit of discussion over the term “pillars”, which the fandom had been using for Yuka/Miyu/Shoko. As far as I can tell, this term did not originate at all from anything in the actual canon. Fans just took it from other wrestling and applied it here.

It has got me thinking about what term I would use to describe them, haha. From stuff that I’ve translated, the two possibilities that stand out to me are 看板 and 壁, which have both been applied to those wrestlers. I think 看板 is just an impossible concept to capture in English, unfortunately, so that one is out, but 壁 is used pretty frequently. I actually remember it from when Mr. Haku was still translating (which is why I made the decision to translate it literally as “wall”, because that’s what he did).

This is probably the deepest/most niche wrestling cut that I’ve shared here, but as soon as I thought about them as “walls,” my first thought was actually a metaphor that Hangman Adam Page had used to describe the Elite/AEW a few years ago (which sort of came up during his feud with CM Punk as well, when Hangman took offense at Punk basically trying to take credit for writing the blueprint for the walls that Hangman himself helped build).

He gave this monologue in Being The Elite that is still to this day just about the only media from and about the pandemic that I can tolerate watching. I highly recommend watching the whole thing, but I also transcribed it here.

Basically, the whole monologue weaves together the real person’s real anxieties/ethical conflicts concerning the pandemic and its affect on his career with the character’s anxieties and insecurities.

He employs a long extended metaphor that likens AEW to a house (“does momentum even exist in a house that’s empty?” is one of my favorite lines of all time from anything, ever). “Teaming up with a broom” refers to his tag team with Kenny, and he says: “And I feel like I might have been starting to
 patch up the holes of the walls of the house. The walls that made the house what it was in the first place.”

At the time, there had been some conflict brewing between him and the rest of the Elite, so that line is referring to him patching up his relationship with the rest of the faction. I always thought it was interesting because it sort of equates the Elite with AEW itself. They make up the literal building that makes it what it is. It wouldn’t exist without them.

AEW has a set of wrestlers who are referred to as its “pillars,” (for better or for worse, the label has been canonized). But interestingly, to me at least, I only ever see the term used to refer to the next generation of wrestlers. It’s the future of the company. I can’t recall the Elite ever once getting referred to as the pillars of the company, even though they quite obviously have carried the company in many ways, and it would never have existed without them.

They’re not the pillars; they’re the walls. Someday, the walls won’t be there anymore, so the pillars will need to bear the weight, but the building wouldn’t exist in the first place without the walls.

And that’s how I think about Shoko, Miyu, and Yuka in TJPW, too. There was this line in the last set of comments, where Miu said: “この人は私がここに来る前からめちゃくちゃすごい東京女子を䜜り䞊げおきお、ずおも尊敬しおいたす”. I loved her use of the word 䜜り䞊げる here, literally “build up” “create” “construct”. Not only are they holding up the promotion; they literally built it. Without the three of them, there would be no building, and no TJPW.

I think the way 壁 gets used in their comments and interviews is different than how Hangman talked about the “walls” of AEW, but I still think it’s a neat parallel. I think in TJPW, the walls are both support for the building that is the company, as well as a sort of a boundary that the wrestlers are constantly seeking to surmount. It’s like a walled garden. The wrestlers are ready and eager to break out of it and expand the horizons of what they and the company can be.

And none of us know what the TJPW that comes next will look like. It’s uncharted territory. I think that’s part of the excitement of following the company, because although its growth has been very gradual (especially when compared to the high-stakes stress of watching AEW’s growth, haha), there’s something so satisfying about getting to enjoy all of the little twists and turns along the way.

Sorry for the long ramble :sweat_smile:. I don’t know if any of this is actually interesting to anyone else, haha, but this is where my brain has been at over the past few weeks.

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sure, yep! For context, It follows on from the previous sentence - 心が揺さぶられたした is the 倉わるもの she introduced in the previous sentence, is how it comes across to me.

Yeah, honestly! :sweat_smile: Not that capslock is the right solution for a translated transcript of course, but his version does retain that wry “but screw all that, I won!!” feeling I get from the original, mainly thanks to the capslock.

For this part, I overthought it a lot last night so I’m going to try not to do that here (especially since the twitter video didn’t include this part), but I read the whole thing as Yuka’s general current impressions of Hikari, with all the 気はする, 気があったs and so on are Yuka describing her own thoughts about her.
like Hikari’s trying new submissions recently and, though she probably wouldn’t say it herself (maybe because it’s not her background training, or maybe because I have a vague sense of やっおる implying like, generally being successful enough with it to keep doing it and that’s that part Hikari wouldn’t brag about, I don’t really know) grappling and jiu jitsu too.
And Yuka was of the opinion “そういう郚分でもっず䌞びお、倉わろう”
and Yuka wanted to convey “優しいので、どこか打撃ずかも䜕回も打おばいいのに”
I think she’s saying that Hikari’s 優しいness meant she was hesitant to keep attacking like that, and Yuka wanted to draw that out of her to make a point, to keep attacking until its effective.

Only other very minor thing I’d say is that “もっずおいで、もっずおいで” sounds to me more coaxing and carefully drawing that out than an aggressive ‘c’mon, c’mon, more, more!’ おいで is what you would say to like, draw out a cat for example (cute example I found to doublecheck)

Here the impression I get from the original is more like – she’s already gotten what I can give her and she should ride this summer and make her own wave out of it.
“もう来なくおいい” is like, “it’s okay if you don’t come (here)” and calls to my mind, like, someone being let go, but I think in the context of all that stuff with Hikari she’s talking about like, Suzume showed enough drive and hunger that she’s ready to go off and do her own thing.

I would say she’s talking about specifically this match (that’s the ここで), so Miu. (but I mean, the motivation would apply to the younger generation as a whole anyway)

Yeah, she’s referring to what she was saying a match or two ago about wanting to not just be in the main event and not just win, but also to put on a match at their level as well.

Close, but I would say it’s Shoko herself who’s said it, rather than “It’s often said” (with the 口にしおしたった being like, maybe I shouldn’t have said but couldn’t help it).
And I think the 期埅感を connects up with the 向ければ向けるほど - the more they turn that expectation to my juniors, the more I realize they’re hoping I lose.

Seems fine!

(I’ll read and comment on the booking thoughts too but I wanted to get the rest of the translation help out of the way first!)

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booking and such

I agree and think your thoughts are well put!

For my own perspective, I think my two main thoughts about the result are:

  1. while watching, I think it’s important from a fan perspective to keep in mind – it’s a fight, any result is possible, and an upset is never a sure thing. At the end of the day, the bigger (fame-wise!) more experienced wrestler will have a strong advantage. And same as watching other sports, it can’t be wall-to-wall storybook endings, and the times they don’t happen make the times they do especially heartfelt.
  2. For tournament finals especially, since they build directly to a very important place on a future show, the biggest (current) draws are going to have an advantage

I think partly why when I mentioned the possibility of Miu winning I still felt the need to couch it in a lot of qualifiers about how unlikely it was, is that as much as I like Shoko Nakajima my impression is she’s a notch or two below Yuka still in terms of fame, and the oucome that did end up happening, of Miu pinning her and showing how determined she is against her and Miyu and Yuka sets up well a future title match anyway (clearly she made a very strong impression), without also having to give up a show with Yuka headlining.

And after all – if the story is about Miu overcoming her intimidating senpais, having the end boss at the culmination of that for the title shot be Shoko seems at-odds with that given that Shoko is incredibly unintimidating :sweat_smile: and she already pinned her once. Shoko’s more of a plucky underdog type herself, in a way that Yuka and Miyu definitely aren’t, and her own story lately is always about being anxious that she really belongs in the same category. So Miu’s story seems like the kind of story to percolate and culminate when one of those two is champion down the line, perhaps, to make the wall seem as insurmountable as possible.

I don’t know really anything about the backstage politics aspect and how homegrown wrestlers are seen vs. ones newer to the company and don’t want to speculate - but a way I think about it a lot is like – if you had to pick a coworker that you trust to work with for an extended period of time on a critical, highly visible project
 it makes sense that the choice is often going to be someone you’ve worked with for a really long time on similar projects and deeply trust because of that.
The dynamic between that and the creative aspect of wrestling is a really interesting one, but looking at it from that perspective rather than just the fan/storyline one, I think a the reticency to pull the trigger on less experienced wrestlers with momentum makes a lot more sense. Like, I imagine there’s an element of - whatever responsibility comes with a big win, it will always be in good hands with Yuka. Whereas with someone who hasn’t been in positions like that before, there’s an element of risk, even if it’s small, and you’d want to make sure they’re as prepared as possible.

And honestly, about Stardom I don’t think the mentality is so different, they just
 don’t have a group of major stars who have been with the company since the beginning in the same way. Pretty sure Mayu is the only one who’s been around since the very beginning with no departures in the middle (or wait
 maybe AZM, technically?), and she was top champion when I started watching. Even if just Io or Kairi had stayed I have to imagine the title picture would be very different there.
After all, the title shots on the next (or just past) show are big scary former champions vs. the current generation of champions, with Kamitani/KAIRI especially being honestly very similar to the themes with Miu/Yuka, but it’s more of a “blast from the past” feel because Kairi and Nanae have been gone for so long in the interim (and I still wouldn’t have been shocked if Kairi beat Kamitani
 if she hadn’t gotten covid)

In the time I’ve been watching, Stardom’s had the same small number of top champions as TJPW (3), with Iwatani being the longest tenured and biggest star in the company, Syuri being an experienced wrestler everyone seems to like working with a ton (they all seem to say she is incredibly nice :sweat_smile:), and Hayashishita being the closest thing to a “pillars” type of group they’ve talked about openly in storylines and behind the scenes: the 黄金䞖代, of I think wrestlers who debuted around ~2018-2019, namely Utami Hayashishita, Saya Kamitani, Maika, Himeka, Saya Iida, and now I think also MIRAI and maybe also Unagi Sayaka might be included in that umbrella. Considering that Kamitani and Hayashishita already both have had very prominent and lengthy title runs, it’s entirely possible that a handful of years from now everyone’ll be like “enough with 黄金䞖代 winning championships already!” :sweat_smile:

The drive to bring in outside wrestlers and incorporate them quickly into Stardom seems to me like mainly to faciliate / a mark of the recent extreme growth with Bushiroad, rather than a different approach to booking the top belts. Giulia, Syuri, MIRAI, etc. feel to me more like they’ve been absorbed into Stardom rather than being treated like outsiders. Presumably thanks to having the money and expansion capability to attract them.

Interestingly, the highspeed title right now is edging a bit close to a pillar type of situation, with AZM definitely fitting the extremely trusted and experienced senpai role, and Natsupoi and SLK in the mix very frequently recently, to the point of someone (
 Momo?) complaining about it in the build to a recent match. I figure it goes to show how quickly a new status quo can go from “yay change!” to “always these established stars
”

That’s just my impressions though! And wrestling matches/booking seem especially ripe for subjective impressions to wildly vary from person to person
 :sweat_smile: I definitely do not miss seeing a lot more of them from strangers on twitter!

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I saw “pro wrestling thread” and immediately felt the urge to post this without any further clarification

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