Shimizoki said...Where did G4 and G5 go?Without making the graph taller (which I can do with more time), I only have space for 10 waypoints. Since JLPT N3/N2 was previously overlapping, but no longer are, I had to eliminate one waypoint.
plantron said...Isn't it likely though that G4 and G5 will no longer be overlapping? so even then... we probably wont be able to bring them both back.rfindley said...Although JLPT N2 95% and Joyo G3 are now overlapping at 48. So maybe you can combine them into one line as well?Shimizoki said...Where did G4 and G5 go?Without making the graph taller (which I can do with more time), I only have space for 10 waypoints. Since JLPT N3/N2 was previously overlapping, but no longer are, I had to eliminate one waypoint.
I agree with your comment though, the only issue I see is that it will be a very wordy line. Unless the Joyo and JLPT are dropped and everything is just labeled G3 / N2. Then Joyo and JLPT can be shown on the bar graph below just as they currently are. That provides the linkage if you do not recognize the standard by the level identifier.
EDIT:
What happens if you make the Joyo stuff at 95% too?
Shimizoki said... Isn't it likely though that G4 and G5 will no longer be overlapping? so even then... we probably wont be able to bring them both back.You're right, the line length is the reason I couldn't combine a JLPT and Joyo waypoint.
I agree with your comment though, the only issue I see is that it will be a very wordy line. Unless the Joyo and JLPT are dropped and everything is just labeled G3 / N2. Then Joyo and JLPT can be shown on the bar graph below just as they currently are. That provides the linkage if you do not recognize the standard by the level identifier.
EDIT:
What happens if you make the Joyo stuff at 95% too?
I debated whether there's value in doing 95% for Joyo, since there's no test (that I'm aware of) based on Joyo. I would like opinions from others, as it doesn't matter to me either way.
As I mentioned, I can make room for more waypoints by making the whole graph taller. I may make it so it can adjust height automatically. In fact, it already does so, but the level-selector on the left is what sets the height, and everything else adjusts accordingly. If it's not too difficult to convert, I can make the waypoints be the main height determiner.
OK… I made the graph slightly taller, and added the Joyo G3/G4 waypoints back in.
Would still like feedback about whether Joyo waypoints should also be changed to a 95% completion, too.
rfindley said... OK... I made the graph slightly taller, and added the Joyo G3/G4 waypoints back in.This is a great change for JLPT. I often went to the charts page just to find when I would get over 90% (95% is just as good). However, I don't think it matters one way or the other for Joyo since it doesn't really mean anything.
Would still like feedback about whether Joyo waypoints should also be changed to a 95% completion, too.
Well then there you go, seems like Joyo doesn’t matter all that much. (I only cared due to ignorance)
Something unrelated that I noticed:
The level duration scale is set so that the longest level fills the whole screen. When I disable that level it just seems to shift down some and not enough such that the second highest level is now the top of the screen… is this intended?
Shimizoki said...Something unrelated that I noticed:The graph height is 2x the average (after excluded levels), rounded up to the nearest multiple of 4 days. So, for example, with an average of 8d1h, the top of the graph would be 16d2h rounded up to 20d.
The level duration scale is set so that the longest level fills the whole screen. When I disable that level it just seems to shift down some and not enough such that the second highest level is now the top of the screen... is this intended?
I don’t think I notice the changes mentioned on the last page of this thread…
However, I like everything just fine how it is, anyway. shrugs
The sizing of everything has always seemed appropriate to me.
AnimeCanuck said... I don't think I notice the changes mentioned on the last page of this thread...The change will show up when your browser cache expires. Maybe in a day?? I don't know.
However, I like everything just fine how it is, anyway. *shrugs*
The sizing of everything has always seemed appropriate to me.
rfindley said...I think it's "until I delete it" or something. Yup... XDAnimeCanuck said... I don't think I notice the changes mentioned on the last page of this thread...The change will show up when your browser cache expires. Maybe in a day?? I don't know.
However, I like everything just fine how it is, anyway. *shrugs*
The sizing of everything has always seemed appropriate to me.
Oh, and I was wondering, since I have over 240 days at level 11, if that's why all my Estimated/Fastest/Hypothetical level up times for the next level were all the same (Fastest)? As if I could absolutely and instantly do all the lessons and Guru them all in just 6 more days... because I haven't just spent forever on the level already. Is it just telling me I have access to all the items needed to level up already, regardless of their status still sitting in the lesson pile?
rfindley said...Ahh that explains why it looks so odd for me. My average is 22 days, but my longest is 60. so it is actually going off the chart. :PShimizoki said...Something unrelated that I noticed:The graph height is 2x the average (after excluded levels), rounded up to the nearest multiple of 4 days. So, for example, with an average of 8d1h, the top of the graph would be 16d2h rounded up to 20d.
The level duration scale is set so that the longest level fills the whole screen. When I disable that level it just seems to shift down some and not enough such that the second highest level is now the top of the screen... is this intended?
Thanks
AnimeCanuck said... I think it's "until I delete it" or something. Yup... XD'Fastest' is always the soonest you can possibly level up based on your current status.
Oh, and I was wondering, since I have over 240 days at level 11, if that's why all my Estimated/Fastest/Hypothetical level up times for the next level were all the same (Fastest)? As if I could absolutely and instantly do all the lessons and Guru them all in just 6 more days... because I haven't just spent forever on the level already. Is it just telling me I have access to all the items needed to level up already, regardless of their status still sitting in the lesson pile?
'Estimated' is normally your average. But if you are already over your average on the current level, then it just becomes the soonest you can possibly leven up from now... thus the same as fastest.
And 'hypothetical' defaults to same as average, unless you enter a value in the hypothetical field.
@rfindley: Are you thinking about adding 95% markers on the progress page for other things, like F1/F2/F3, NHK Web Easy, etc.?
Also, something looks wrong with the progress bar for G5. According to the charts section, it is at 100% at level 51 (before G4 at level 57). Unless you put it with G4 at level 57 on purpose because of the weird ordering.
seanblue said... @rfindley: Are you thinking about adding 95% markers on the progress page for other things, like F1/F2/F3, NHK Web Easy, etc.?No, there's not enough room. The mini progress bars (in blue) give a reasonable approximation of progress, and the charts can be used for more precise numbers. Really, JLPT is the main one that most people seem to want to track.
Also, something looks wrong with the progress bar for G5. According to the charts section, it is at 100% at level 51 (before G4 at level 57). Unless you put it with G4 at level 57 on purpose because of the weird ordering.Technically, the grade levels are cumulative, even though the chart page doesn't show them that way. Even though Grade5-specific kanji are finished before Grade4, you still haven't learned all the kanji that a Grade5 student should know until you've finished Grade4, too. It's just a goofy side effect of the order that WK happens to teach them.
Hi! Something strange happened when I reached level 4. The time it took me to complete level 3 seems to have been combined with level 2, so I have completion times as follows:
- 4 days 14 hours
- 11 days 22 hours
- 0 days 0 hours
- 1day 8 hours (ongoing)
Is there any reason why this has happened. The last time I checked when I was still on level 3, I had the correct duration for levels 1, 2 and 3.
dantes said... Hi! Something strange happened when I reached level 4. The time it took me to complete level 3 seems to have been combined with level 2, so I have completion times as follows:This is a side-effect of a bug in how WK handles level-up when you subscribe. It doesn't affect WK itself because they don't use that data. Anyway, the result is that there is no correct data to tell me when you actually leveled up. No one's level 2 & 3 data is actually correct, but I have some calculations on the stats site that try to give a reasonable guess, such that most people never notice. Apparently, your particular data found a loophole in how the calculations work.I would post a screen shot but can't work out how to add a picture to this post.
- 4 days 14 hours
- 11 days 22 hours
- 0 days 0 hours
- 1day 8 hours (ongoing)
Is there any reason why this has happened. The last time I checked when I was still on level 3, I had the correct duration for levels 1, 2 and 3.
Let's wait until you get to level 5 to see if it straightens itself out, because part of the calculations rely on level 4 data (if I remember right). In the meantime, don't worry about it. The 11d and 0d will average out, so your level-up average won't be affected. But if you want, you can exclude them anyway by clicking on those levels. They will turn semi-transparent, and will be excluded from calculations.
Thanks so much for doing all this work, rfindley! I live and die by the stats site, so thanks for continuing to work on it!
Looking at that Progress and Projections section with your recent changes, I was struck by something: we reach a level before we have mastery over it’s content, right? So to be JLPT 95% ready, we have to achieve the level after the one marked, right? I mean, when you first start with WK, we’re level 1, but at that moment we don’t know 18 kanji, right? Does it make sense to bump all the numbers down one?
StellaTerra said... Thanks so much for doing all this work, rfindley! I live and die by the stats site, so thanks for continuing to work on it!You're correct, and that's been a topic of discussion a few times over the past year or so.
Looking at that Progress and Projections section with your recent changes, I was struck by something: we reach a level before we have mastery over it's content, right? So to be JLPT 95% ready, we have to achieve the level *after* the one marked, right? I mean, when you first start with WK, we're level 1, but at that moment we don't know 18 kanji, right? Does it make sense to bump all the numbers down one?
The problems:
* When have you *really* learned it? Many people would say 'Guru' is good, others have said 'Master', or even as soon as lessons are done. Me personally... since I spent a lot of time on lessons up front, I'd be comfortable seeing kanji the next day on a JLPT test after only doing lessons.
* The charts tab indicates what is covered by a level. So, if someone sees 95% at level 10 (or whatever), but they look on the Progress graph and see Level 11, there would be confusion.
And the 3rd reason is that the original site (by Kyle Coburn) did it the same way it currently is, so I just left it that way ^_^
rfindley said...As it turns out, this would have straightened itself out when you reach Level 5.dantes said... Hi! Something strange happened when I reached level 4.This is a side-effect of a bug in how WK handles level-up when you subscribe.
[...]
[...]
But I've made an adjustment to the code, and now it handles your situation better.
The data it shows is still going to be a guesstimate based on the faulty data from WK, but at least it looks more reasonable.
rfindley said...Which I have been doing... yet it remains unchanged. I thought it worked off of the status of my items (how many are Guru'd vs. not)... but it seems like this field is also affected by the "unless you already went past it" rule. Am I correct?AnimeCanuck said... I think it's "until I delete it" or something. Yup... XD'Fastest' is always the soonest you can possibly level up based on your current status.
Oh, and I was wondering, since I have over 240 days at level 11, if that's why all my Estimated/Fastest/Hypothetical level up times for the next level were all the same (Fastest)? As if I could absolutely and instantly do all the lessons and Guru them all in just 6 more days... because I haven't just spent forever on the level already. Is it just telling me I have access to all the items needed to level up already, regardless of their status still sitting in the lesson pile?
'Estimated' is normally your average. But if you are already over your average on the current level, then it just becomes the soonest you can possibly leven up from now... thus the same as fastest.
And 'hypothetical' defaults to same as average, unless you enter a value in the hypothetical field.
*shrugs*