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[anon33985902]

@TokeruKonkoyo

A quick rundown would be something like this:

• では - じゃ
• ては - ちゃ
• は (topic) - って
• lots of 俺 for men and あたし for girls
• short forms (来る) over ます forms (来ます)
• やる instead of する
• katakana used to mark phonetics of words and not merely meaning
• tons of onomatopoeia
• tons of weird insults, mostly in kana
• ぞ or ぜ as strong emphasis at the end of sentences
• わ as female sentence ender

COPY + PASTE into my grammar Google.doc Thank you TokeruKonkoyo!

[Beyond_Sleepy]

@anon33985902

Who knows nowadays with adding slang to dictionaries

Languages are always in a constant state of change. So a lot of standard language will have been slang at some point in time:)

[ChristopherFritz]

It also doesn’t help that in English, we write things the way they’re properly spelled rather than how they’re spoken.

For example, if I’m saying “Would you like a glass of water?” it comes out as “Wujya like a glassa wader?”

I mean, it’s great for written English, but it doesn’t prepare you for manga where words are written as they’re commonly spoken.

[anon33985902]

@Beyond_Sleepy

Languages are always in a constant state of change. So a lot of standard language will have been slang at some point in time:)

such an interesting thing about languages!

[anon33985902]

@ChristopherFritz

It also doesn’t help that in English, we write things the way they’re properly spelled rather than how they’re spoken.

For example, if I’m saying “Would you like a glass of water?” it comes out as “Wujya like a glassa wader?”

I mean, it’s great for written English, but it doesn’t prepare you for manga where words are written as they’re commonly spoken.

goooood point! I guess an exception would be artistic style, like if a character in a book had a stutter, they might say “wu-wuja like uh-uh glassa wa-wader?”

[yamitenshi]

@anon33985902

I guess I just wouldn’t think a high school girl would be saying this to a grown man

Well, you’re not wrong, actually

It’s definitely not something you’d characteristically see, a high school girl telling a grown man (and basically a stranger at that) to get it together, but that’s partially just “it’s a manga so it’s okay”, partially highlighting just how immature he is, and partially painting a bit of an absurd picture for humorous effect.

@anon33985902

very embarrassing grammar questions

See, when a mommy verb and a daddy verb love each other very much…

…What, not that kind of embarrasing question?

Ask away! I promise I won’t laugh

@anon33985902

Kind of something like “as I just said” ??

No, just その referring back to what was said earlier. So, その時 just means “that time” and which time that is exactly is mentioned before, “that time” being when Yotsuba’s dad (I really need to look up his name) was in high school.

@anon33985902

so far he seems like a weirdo

Oh don’t worry, he’s a weirdo But then, so is Yotsuba, in more ways than one.

Honestly, the weirdness is the best part. Doubly so when it confuses the everliving hell out of the other characters

@anon33985902

Now I can see why this is a recommended level 17 manga!!!

I honestly wouldn’t worry about recommended WaniKani levels at all when it comes to reading Manga. WaniKani levels tell you very little about how much Japanese someone knows - just looking at your own struggles, for instance, kanji aren’t what’s getting in the way here, especially with the furigana everywhere.

@Beyond_Sleepy

a lot of standard language will have been slang at some point in time:)

And/or made up on the spot by a certain 16th century playwright

[Beyond_Sleepy]

@yamitenshi

And/or made up on the spot by a certain 16th century playwright

I absolutely thought about that guy when I wrote that

[ChristopherFritz]

“Gotta” is another example of colloquial, which actually appears in American comics.

Here's an example from the late 1980's.

[TokeruKonkoyo]

@ChristopherFritz

Here’s an example from the late 1980’s.

I have a feeling I’d have an easier time understanding that in Japanese
Oh wait… I misread it due to the lack of spaces…

[anon33985902]

@yamitenshi

but that’s partially just “it’s a manga so it’s okay”, partially highlighting just how immature he is, and partially painting a bit of an absurd picture for humorous effect.

I FIGURED THIS! See, this is my first manga, and really, the only stylistic comparison I have is English dubbed anime. But, I did know because of anime that I’ve seen this wouldn’t necessarily be beyond the realm!

@yamitenshi

See, when a mommy verb and a daddy verb love each other very much…

…What, not that kind of embarrasing question?

Ask away! I promise I won’t laugh

HAHHAHA okay good. I’ll ask tomorrow when my brain has had a chance to rest. BE PREPARED!

@yamitenshi

No, just その referring back to what was said earlier. So, その時 just means “that time” and which time that is exactly is mentioned before, “that time” being when Yotsuba’s dad (I really need to look up his name) was in high school.

OHHHHHH I get it now! TYMUCHLY!

@yamitenshi

Oh don’t worry, he’s a weirdo But then, so is Yotsuba, in more ways than one.

Honestly, the weirdness is the best part. Doubly so when it confuses the everliving hell out of the other characters

HAHAHA glad my assessment of him based on 2 pages is accurate. And I assumed Yotsuba was a weirdo, but since she’s disappeared, I miss her!

@yamitenshi

I honestly wouldn’t worry about recommended WaniKani levels at all when it comes to reading Manga. WaniKani levels tell you very little about how much Japanese someone knows - just looking at your own struggles, for instance, kanji aren’t what’s getting in the way here, especially with the furigana everywhere.

Yes, the furigana is SO helpful. Otherwise I’d be spending another hour on Shirabe Jisho drawing them out with my finger… (seriously though, mad props to Shirabe Jisho, it seems way more accurate than Jisho.org when it comes to drawing!)

[anon33985902]

@ChristopherFritz

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Brilliant!

[yamitenshi]

Jisho’s accuracy can be… questionable. I’ve had much more luck with https://kanji.sljfaq.org/ - especially because it can ignore the stroke order if you don’t know it, but even with the correct stroke order I can’t always get Jisho to recognise the kanji I draw.

Also you’re gonna get a good impression of just how much of a weirdo Yotsuba is in the next few pages

[anon33985902]

@yamitenshi

especially because it can ignore the stroke order if you don’t know it, but even with the correct stroke order I can’t always get Jisho to recognise the kanji I draw.

Yes, I believe Shirabe Jisho does the same, but I think it’s iOS only… It’s even easy to use on my iPhone without a stylus, but on an iPad it’s epic either way.

I think what makes me most excited about Yotsubato is the every-day-life-oddness that I’ll encounter. It will remind me of cartoons in the '90s as I was growing up. Cartoons nowadays are absurd distractions for children not to bother their parents (I’m not a parent, but this is just an observation )

[yamitenshi]

Eh… I grew up in the 90s as well, and I can’t really say the cartoons I watched were any less absurd

[Beyond_Sleepy]

Cartoons just start to look absurd when you grow too old to “get it” I think (writing as a 28 year old😅).

[TokeruKonkoyo]

@Beyond_Sleepy

Cartoons just start to look absurd when you grow too old to “get it” I think (writing as a 28 year old😅).

The 90s cartoons just hit different. Some of them were just…wrong:

[anon33985902]

@yamitenshi

I can’t really say the cartoons I watched were any less absurd

I’m talking alien kids who just bonk around doing nothing but things that relate to the fascination humans have with fireworks and then it ends… poof, there goes 20 minutes of your life with commercials!

I had: Doug, Rugrats, Hey Arnold, Angry Beavers, Real Monsters, Rocko’s Modern Life…

Okay Ren and Stimpy, too, but they were just classic!

[anon33985902]

@TokeruKonkoyo

DON’T EVEN GET ME STARTED ON “Courage the Cowardly Dog” - HYPER FAN!

I forget the name of the cow / rooster one…

[Beyond_Sleepy]

Courage the Cowardly Dog was my favorite show🙃

[Belthazar]

@Nishi790

In English, it might be something as simple as ‘ain’t’ in a sentence - if you speak Standard American English, that’s not ‘correct’, but it is a thing that people say.

Fun fact: it’s an abbreviation for “am not”, because “amn’t” is really annoying to say. By the 1800s, though, it had also picked up “are not”, “has not” and “have not” in its list of usages, which made it appear to be a fake word, but it was actually real all along.