[Request] Enhancing the Forums

I’m working on number 4 actually. Expect it sometime next week.

I do agree that the forums could use an enhancing. I actually rather wish for a complete overhaul…but I’m sure that’d be too much an undertaking.

Maybe some way of tracking the threads that you’ve posted on, too :3

(Unless this already exists and I’m just super unobservant) 

Meiko90 said... Maybe some way of tracking the threads that you've posted on, too :3

(Unless this already exists and I'm just super unobservant) 
 have you seen this? /t/Wanikani-forum-enhancer-remember-where-you-left-off-subscribe-to-topics/2686/1

I want an email when someone posts on my topic. :slight_smile: Just sayin’.

tomboy said...
Meiko90 said... Maybe some way of tracking the threads that you've posted on, too :3

(Unless this already exists and I'm just super unobservant) 
 have you seen this? /t/Wanikani-forum-enhancer-remember-where-you-left-off-subscribe-to-topics/2686/1
 @Meiko: you know it's possible to view the threads you've posted in at https://www.wanikani.com/community/panel ? If you really want to track them, use the add-on @tomboy posted. Even when carefully looking at your user panel, sometimes you miss things. Especially when you use the forums a lot.

Hi Emin,

This script is a bit short on features, but I’ve found that it improves my forum experience:

// ==UserScript==
// @name        Squelth
// @description Squelches kelth
// @include     https://www.wanikani.com/chat/*
// ==/UserScript==
$(’.forum-post-author-says.premium:contains(“kelth”)’).parents(‘tr’).hide();


BreadstickNinja said... Hi Emin,

This script is a bit short on features, but I've found that it improves my forum experience:

// ==UserScript==
// @name        Squelth
// @description Squelches kelth
// @include     https://www.wanikani.com/chat/*
// ==/UserScript==
$('.forum-post-author-says.premium:contains("kelth")').parents('tr').hide();

 LOL
Mempo said...
tomboy said...
Meiko90 said... Maybe some way of tracking the threads that you've posted on, too :3

(Unless this already exists and I'm just super unobservant) 
 have you seen this? /t/Wanikani-forum-enhancer-remember-where-you-left-off-subscribe-to-topics/2686/1
 @Meiko: you know it's possible to view the threads you've posted in at https://www.wanikani.com/community/panel ? If you really want to track them, use the add-on @tomboy posted. Even when carefully looking at your user panel, sometimes you miss things. Especially when you use the forums a lot.
 Splendid, exactly what I wanted! Thanks Tomboy and Mempo :) 

I personally think if you require a feature to keep yourself from wasting time, and become responsible, then you have more important things to worry about, and bigger problems.

admiralawesome said... I personally think if you require a feature to keep yourself from wasting time, and become responsible, then you have more important things to worry about, and bigger problems.
 This is exactly what I was about to post. No offense to the OP or anything here I don't mean to call you out specifically just anyone in general with this issue. I mean, what ever happened to our society's self-control? Think about it for a minute: do you really need the feature that blocks the forum so you can do work instead? If you can't just put your head down and get to work when it's necessary, then life is going to be very difficult for you. If that's really the case, then fixing that issue first needs to be your top priority as I would argue that is more important than learning any language.
ducksFANjason said...
admiralawesome said... I personally think if you require a feature to keep yourself from wasting time, and become responsible, then you have more important things to worry about, and bigger problems.
 This is exactly what I was about to post. No offense to the OP or anything here I don't mean to call you out specifically just anyone in general with this issue. I mean, what ever happened to our society's self-control? Think about it for a minute: do you really need the feature that blocks the forum so you can do work instead? If you can't just put your head down and get to work when it's necessary, then life is going to be very difficult for you. If that's really the case, then fixing that issue first needs to be your top priority as I would argue that is more important than learning any language.
 What happened? Facebook happened. Email happened. Internet in general happened.

These days, there are a million possible distractions all around you. Especially for people working with a computer all day (like me). It's quite easy to say "oh wait, let me check X real quick" and down the rabbit hole you go. Maybe you two are very good at self-control but society in general isn't. We're only human after all! The world around us has conditioned us towards instant gratification, and productivity is paying the price for it. Why do you think there are a gazillion productivity apps, or TODO apps out there? Because people need them. Plain and simple. Procrastination is an issue nowadays. Not for everyone, but for a whole lot of people, for sure.

One of the reasons this affects some more than others is just age, job situation etc. If you're middle-aged, have a family and have a full time job, i don't expect procrastination to be an issue really, simply because you got a lot to do (real obligations) and so little time. So you just do it. You go to your job, and when you get home you do stuff with your family. You also remember a time before computers/internet, so you might not use a lot of its possible functions.
Now imagine a student in his college dorm. Heck, let's take me as an example. I grew up with the internet and if i wanted to, i could go a whole day without barely leaving my desk, because everything is digital nowadays. I learn new things, read, watch TV, and chat with friends, all on my computer. Besides classes, i don't really have any obligations. So there is a whole lot of things i could potentially do, but being human, i often follow the path of least resistance. That's indeed sad if you don't experience this issue, but it's the ugly truth and more common then you would imagine. Instead rejoice we want to do something about it.
(the above paragraph is an example, not an assumption about any person here)
Mempo said...
ducksFANjason said...
admiralawesome said... I personally think if you require a feature to keep yourself from wasting time, and become responsible, then you have more important things to worry about, and bigger problems.
 This is exactly what I was about to post. No offense to the OP or anything here I don't mean to call you out specifically just anyone in general with this issue. I mean, what ever happened to our society's self-control? Think about it for a minute: do you really need the feature that blocks the forum so you can do work instead? If you can't just put your head down and get to work when it's necessary, then life is going to be very difficult for you. If that's really the case, then fixing that issue first needs to be your top priority as I would argue that is more important than learning any language.
 What happened? Facebook happened. Email happened. Internet in general happened.

These days, there are a million possible distractions all around you. Especially for people working with a computer all day (like me). It's quite easy to say "oh wait, let me check X real quick" and down the rabbit hole you go. Maybe you two are very good at self-control but society in general isn't. We're only human after all! The world around us has conditioned us towards instant gratification, and productivity is paying the price for it. Why do you think there are a gazillion productivity apps, or TODO apps out there? Because people need them. Plain and simple. Procrastination is an issue nowadays. Not for everyone, but for a whole lot of people, for sure.

One of the reasons this affects some more than others is just age, job situation etc. If you're middle-aged, have a family and have a full time job, i don't expect procrastination to be an issue really, simply because you got a lot to do (real obligations) and so little time. So you just do it. You go to your job, and when you get home you do stuff with your family. You also remember a time before computers/internet, so you might not use a lot of its possible functions.
Now imagine a student in his college dorm. Heck, let's take me as an example. I grew up with the internet and if i wanted to, i could go a whole day without barely leaving my desk, because everything is digital nowadays. I learn new things, read, watch TV, and chat with friends, all on my computer. Besides classes, i don't really have any obligations. So there is a whole lot of things i could potentially do, but being human, i often follow the path of least resistance. That's indeed sad if you don't experience this issue, but it's the ugly truth and more common then you would imagine. Instead rejoice we want to do something about it.
(the above paragraph is an example, not an assumption about any person here)
 I think duck went a little too far on being a "society's self control" spiel.  I'm just looking at it in a practical sense. If you are so easily distracted, then blocking a forum is not a solution, as you'll just unblock it when you want to see it.

My point is your behavioral problems probably shouldn't be up to the application to deal with. I get distracted with things like YouTube all the time, but I'm never going to expect that Google has to do something because of my personal issue.

I'm a 23 year old college student by the way, though I'm not sure if age truly has as much to do with it as you might suggest. Computer Engineering is my major and I'm an intern as a System Admin, I'm probably on a computer more than most.

Most likely, it's better to change yourself to better suit your environment, instead of waiting for your environment to change for you.
admiralawesome said...
Mempo said...
ducksFANjason said...
admiralawesome said... I personally think if you require a feature to keep yourself from wasting time, and become responsible, then you have more important things to worry about, and bigger problems.
 This is exactly what I was about to post. No offense to the OP or anything here I don't mean to call you out specifically just anyone in general with this issue. I mean, what ever happened to our society's self-control? Think about it for a minute: do you really need the feature that blocks the forum so you can do work instead? If you can't just put your head down and get to work when it's necessary, then life is going to be very difficult for you. If that's really the case, then fixing that issue first needs to be your top priority as I would argue that is more important than learning any language.
 What happened? Facebook happened. Email happened. Internet in general happened.

These days, there are a million possible distractions all around you. Especially for people working with a computer all day (like me). It's quite easy to say "oh wait, let me check X real quick" and down the rabbit hole you go. Maybe you two are very good at self-control but society in general isn't. We're only human after all! The world around us has conditioned us towards instant gratification, and productivity is paying the price for it. Why do you think there are a gazillion productivity apps, or TODO apps out there? Because people need them. Plain and simple. Procrastination is an issue nowadays. Not for everyone, but for a whole lot of people, for sure.

One of the reasons this affects some more than others is just age, job situation etc. If you're middle-aged, have a family and have a full time job, i don't expect procrastination to be an issue really, simply because you got a lot to do (real obligations) and so little time. So you just do it. You go to your job, and when you get home you do stuff with your family. You also remember a time before computers/internet, so you might not use a lot of its possible functions.
Now imagine a student in his college dorm. Heck, let's take me as an example. I grew up with the internet and if i wanted to, i could go a whole day without barely leaving my desk, because everything is digital nowadays. I learn new things, read, watch TV, and chat with friends, all on my computer. Besides classes, i don't really have any obligations. So there is a whole lot of things i could potentially do, but being human, i often follow the path of least resistance. That's indeed sad if you don't experience this issue, but it's the ugly truth and more common then you would imagine. Instead rejoice we want to do something about it.
(the above paragraph is an example, not an assumption about any person here)
 I think duck went a little too far on being a "society's self control" spiel.  I'm just looking at it in a practical sense. If you are so easily distracted, then blocking a forum is not a solution, as you'll just unblock it when you want to see it.

My point is your behavioral problems probably shouldn't be up to the application to deal with. I get distracted with things like YouTube all the time, but I'm never going to expect that Google has to do something because of my personal issue.

I'm a 23 year old college student by the way, though I'm not sure if age truly has as much to do with it as you might suggest. Computer Engineering is my major and I'm an intern as a System Admin, I'm probably on a computer more than most.

Most likely, it's better to change yourself to better suit your environment, instead of waiting for your environment to change for you.
 Well, it's more like removing the temptation. Sure, anyone using my userscript to block the forums, could just turn it off, but that's just bad faith. Instead it's an opportunity to direct your attention to something productive first instead of dealing with distractions from the get-go.

And no, behavioral problems shouldn't be solved by the application. But that's why we're only talking about a userscript here, and not demanding that Tofugu implements this for every user (as with your youtube example).

Anyway, i wrote a lengthy piece because people saying "what's wrong with society('s self-control) nowadays" make me think of an old grumpy man, waving his cane at those darn youngsters passing by on their skateboards.
Mempo said...
admiralawesome said...

Most likely, it's better to change yourself to better suit your environment, instead of waiting for your environment to change for you.
 Well, it's more like removing the temptation. Sure, anyone using my userscript to block the forums, could just turn it off, but that's just bad fate. Instead it's an opportunity to direct your attention to something productive first instead of dealing with distractions from the get-go.
+1 to both of these statements.  Adaption is a great skill to have, but having a little help to stay focused is great too  :)

Also @Mempo, thanks for making that add-on, I think it'll be useful ;)
xspikex52 said...
Mempo said...
admiralawesome said...

Most likely, it's better to change yourself to better suit your environment, instead of waiting for your environment to change for you.
 Well, it's more like removing the temptation. Sure, anyone using my userscript to block the forums, could just turn it off, but that's just bad fate. Instead it's an opportunity to direct your attention to something productive first instead of dealing with distractions from the get-go.
+1 to both of these statements.  Adaption is a great skill to have, but having a little help to stay focused is great too  :)

Also @Mempo, thanks for making that add-on, I think it'll be useful ;)
 No problemo! I just wish it would work for everybody!
admiralawesome said... I think duck went a little too far on being a "society's self control" spiel.  I'm just looking at it in a practical sense. If you are so easily distracted, then blocking a forum is not a solution, as you'll just unblock it when you want to see it.

 I can only speak for myself on this one, but I would bet I'm not alone - I won't just unblock it when I want to see it, because I'm generally not very conscious of even getting distracted in the first place. If something pops up and says UH, NO? it reminds me that I'm not doing what I was supposed to be doing and gives me a chance to correct. For eg, I have a lot of apps on my phone set to not be able to use data, and then I turn wifi off when I'm supposed to be working. If I'm out and about and actually need to use a thing on data, it won't stop me - I'll re-enable it. But if I was legitimately getting my phone out to log something, it stops me from going "oh hey, 5 FB alerts" and reading them, because a message will pop up all "hey you have to turn on data you silly person", and then I go back to work instead of rabbitholing.

So - for a lot of people it would be a solution, I think.

As long as we’re adding requests, we need it so that if we get quoted, or a replied to, we get an alert so we know about it.

Mempo said...
ducksFANjason said...
admiralawesome said... I personally think if you require a feature to keep yourself from wasting time, and become responsible, then you have more important things to worry about, and bigger problems.
 This is exactly what I was about to post. No offense to the OP or anything here I don't mean to call you out specifically just anyone in general with this issue. I mean, what ever happened to our society's self-control? Think about it for a minute: do you really need the feature that blocks the forum so you can do work instead? If you can't just put your head down and get to work when it's necessary, then life is going to be very difficult for you. If that's really the case, then fixing that issue first needs to be your top priority as I would argue that is more important than learning any language.
 What happened? Facebook happened. Email happened. Internet in general happened.

These days, there are a million possible distractions all around you. Especially for people working with a computer all day (like me). It's quite easy to say "oh wait, let me check X real quick" and down the rabbit hole you go. Maybe you two are very good at self-control but society in general isn't. We're only human after all! The world around us has conditioned us towards instant gratification, and productivity is paying the price for it. Why do you think there are a gazillion productivity apps, or TODO apps out there? Because people need them. Plain and simple. Procrastination is an issue nowadays. Not for everyone, but for a whole lot of people, for sure.

One of the reasons this affects some more than others is just age, job situation etc. If you're middle-aged, have a family and have a full time job, i don't expect procrastination to be an issue really, simply because you got a lot to do (real obligations) and so little time. So you just do it. You go to your job, and when you get home you do stuff with your family. You also remember a time before computers/internet, so you might not use a lot of its possible functions.
Now imagine a student in his college dorm. Heck, let's take me as an example. I grew up with the internet and if i wanted to, i could go a whole day without barely leaving my desk, because everything is digital nowadays. I learn new things, read, watch TV, and chat with friends, all on my computer. Besides classes, i don't really have any obligations. So there is a whole lot of things i could potentially do, but being human, i often follow the path of least resistance. That's indeed sad if you don't experience this issue, but it's the ugly truth and more common then you would imagine. Instead rejoice we want to do something about it.
(the above paragraph is an example, not an assumption about any person here)
 I really don't think age has anything to do with it. I'm 29 years old - I remember a time before computers were commonplace (when I was a child) and I remember a time when my dad would come home and tell me stories about how he "surfed the internet at work today." Having said that, I was still in college less than six years ago and continued going to school after receiving my bachelor's degree as little as a year ago. I don't think that age or generational gaps have anything to do with self-control.

Believe me, I'm just as susceptible to distractions as you - I LOVE to play games on my phone or 3DS or one of the many handhelds for general emulation I've purchased throughout the years. The difference then is not that I'm able to focus because today's technology is so much more commonplace (because it was commonplace when I was in high school and college as well) - it's that I use my self-control to not allow that technology to interfere with real obligations when necessary. That comes down to self-restraint and (as you suggested) maybe it's that I have more than you. I don't know. But I really feel like creating an add-on that allows you to disable the forums, which you can then re-enable whenever you want, is just not a proper solution. If you can re-enable it at any time, the temptation will still be there when it's disabled. If you're able to say "Well, I'll just use self-control to NOT enable it until I'm done with my reviews" then why can't you apply that same self-control without the add-on to not scroll down to the forums before you finish your reviews as well?

Don't get me wrong, this isn't meant to be some lecture about how "this script is pointless so don't make it!" or anything. If the script helps then use it I guess - I just can't logically work out how this add-on is necessary for anyone. If the add-on permanently switched the forums off until it could tell that you'd finished your quota for reviews, then it would make perfect logical sense. But since it's still up to the user to enable/disable the thing, it's nothing more than a placebo. And it doesn't even have the benefit of the actual placebo effect either.
kaiken said...
admiralawesome said... I think duck went a little too far on being a "society's self control" spiel.  I'm just looking at it in a practical sense. If you are so easily distracted, then blocking a forum is not a solution, as you'll just unblock it when you want to see it.

 I can only speak for myself on this one, but I would bet I'm not alone - I won't just unblock it when I want to see it, because I'm generally not very conscious of even getting distracted in the first place. If something pops up and says UH, NO? it reminds me that I'm not doing what I was supposed to be doing and gives me a chance to correct. For eg, I have a lot of apps on my phone set to not be able to use data, and then I turn wifi off when I'm supposed to be working. If I'm out and about and actually need to use a thing on data, it won't stop me - I'll re-enable it. But if I was legitimately getting my phone out to log something, it stops me from going "oh hey, 5 FB alerts" and reading them, because a message will pop up all "hey you have to turn on data you silly person", and then I go back to work instead of rabbitholing.

So - for a lot of people it would be a solution, I think.
 Your example is about an alert popping up and distracting you - the forums are different. The forums don't say "Hey, look at this post!" in an alert. It's your decision to look at the forums and topics. And furthermore, if alerts are too distracting for you to ignore - then some of the features for this add-on would be the last thing you'd need. There are some requests here for responses in the forums to send email alerts etc. That would be FAR worse than it is now for people who share your inability to ignore alerts.