New Content not so Optional After All

久 got moved from level 4-ish to level 32*.
I don’t know if it was moved in THIS update but it’s kinda funny that I have a burned level 31 item.

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No, but they made it disappear from the reviews and don’t accept input for it. At least they should’ve made the same thing as for the radicals and allow Kun’yomi readings to be input as well and just make a notification as always saying that that item had multiple readings.

This update was not made as seamless as it should’ve been.

level 32, actually - https://www.wanikani.com/kanji/久

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And then you wouldn’t learn the other reading.
Switching (most) of the kanji to on’yomi created a useful uniformity - for the most part, any kanji that get queued will be the on’yomi reading. Personally I didn’t even know ちゃく was a reading of 着.

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There’s already, and always has been, a notification if you give on’yomi/kun’yomi for a kanji and WK wants the other one.

If WK now wants the other one but you can’t recall it, then it’s just inviting you to learn or brush up on a new element of Japanese.

Granted, it might be a slightly bumpy user experience if you’ve never yet learnt the newly prompted on’yomi - but in that case, just get it wrong, open the details, and start to learn.

Always keep in mind that the final objective is to improve your Japanese, not to progress through WaniKani as quickly as possible :slight_smile:

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True, though I wondered about “most”, so I wrote a script to count them - number of kanji by WK primary reading type:

1718 on’yomi
306 kun’yomi
3 nanori

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How is that different from before? You also knew one reading back then. Most of the time I only pay attention to the main reading. The rest will come with vocabulary. That’s the advantage of WK, you don’t have to know all of the readings of a particular kanji, just the most common one, or more if that’s the case.

The point is, what they are doing now is no different than what we had before, a focus on one main reading of a kanji. I couldn’t care less about learning the Kun’yomi reading or the On’yomi. I’ll get both eventually. It’s the way this was handled. We are forced to learn it the hard way. They didn’t give us much choice in the end.

There’s no practical way to go forward with the old content. It’s like someone gives you two paths to go, one leads to a cliff, and the other to their convenient choice. You can still choose which way you wanna go, but…

I wasn’t talking about that notification. I was mentioning the fact that they should let us input Kun’yomi readings when it’s applicable, and notify us saying that there’s multiple readings for that kanji, but they won’t let us.

Thanks for this, been wondering about it for a while now.

I have had this problem too, kind of. Only I chose to relearn. They have asked me Kanji readings I haven’t learnt yet, though. A lot of them taught the kun’yomi but are now asking me for the on’yomi which I haven’t learnt yet. Kind of stinks. It is making me fail my lessons even though I have technically learnt them yet… Eventually I’ll learn, it will just put my levels down for a bit…

Sure there is. Just continue using the old-radical mnemonics.

Yes, as you originally noted, these mnemonics will be unsuitable for a small proportion of the readings.

This is not ideal, but in your case as someone on level 11, you only have 16 (out of 1642) more kanji which transitioned from requesting kun’yomi to on’yomi still to encounter, and of those 16, only 6 are affected by the radical renames.

So, for 6 out of 1642 of your future WK kanji, you’ll have to cope without a WK-supplied mnemonic for the reading.

That’s very different from “no practical way” in my opinion.

Please don’t say fact when you mean opinion, it doesn’t tend to lead to healthy discussion.

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Yes, but going forward, continuing to use old mnemonics will have the same effect when the reading that’s been teaching is different. That’s why I said it’s not practical.

Are you a native English speaker? I’m not. Maybe the wrong word there. I wrote fact as in actuality. And by the way, they actually don’t let us input Kun’yomi when they’re looking for On’yomi, which is technically correct. That’s an actual fact, not an opinion.

For the individuals having difficulty coping with change, I highly suggest reading the book “Who Moved my Cheese”. Great book, great life lesson.

しょうがないね!

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No, the way you used fact was fine.

I understand why it’s easy to assume otherwise though.

So, when someone has a different opinion than you you try to be condescending. Not helpful for the discussion.

If there was no negative feedback in the first place these changes wouldn’t even exist, since they were based on previous feedback.

No need for life lessons, just mentioning the simple fact that they should’ve handled this differently.

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At level 33, I was a little disappointed and frustrated that I’d have to go back and re-learn a lot of radicals, but after going through and reviewing them every day I found that a lot of them are much more logical and in fact I’ve even forgotten the old meanings of half of them :slightly_smiling_face:

For a couple of the older kanji I’ve reviewed many times already, I actually didn’t bother to make new mnemonics and I still use the ones I’m familiar with, which I think is okay! But if that doesn’t work out for others, I think you’ll be a making a lot new mnemonics in the future for other kanji you learn as well and a couple more for the old ones can’t do too much harm!

Although I haven’t worked with the new radicals for long, I think that they’ll be a lot easier in the long run. I remember seeing ネ (from level 4) got changed to “spirit” and you’ll find it used in kanji related to this meaning like 神(god) or 禅(zen) which makes a lot more sense to me than what it was before.

Since the update is still brand new, I think WK might still go through and fix some hiccups, but if it seems hard to continue straight from here maybe a short level reset could do some good in solidifying new knowledge if you plan to work with the new radicals in the end?

Take some deep breaths and let’s enjoy the ride :raised_hands:

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It’s a fact that they don’t, but it’s opinion that they should.

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Getting pedantic about the usage of fact (interpreted as the antonym of opinion when it was meant as just a turn of phrase “talking about the fact” where it just means situation or circumstances) doesn’t seem to be helpful either.

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You are not the only one, and I guess we are a minority. I got really stressed at the beginning and thought about quitting, and I even complained in the Content Overhaul post. But then, I told myself “I can’t give up on my Japanese learning, and honestly WK is the best tool for teaching yourself kanji” and went with the current.

Re-learning the new radicals is a piece of cake after having given them a go, I can tell you that much. On the other hand, I did not really like the fact that many kanjis were changed to On’yomi, but I have just been checking the new mnemonics and they are really good.

I have mentioned in another post that not everyone will take or accept changes in the same way. But I can tell you that if you give it a go and see the benefit of it, you will end up being able to just keep learning.

It has been mentioned that the new radical names are closer to traditional names and more up to date when it comes to pop references, so it will prove really beneficial in the long run.

Hope I have helped :smiley: and keep in mind that I am an ex-detractor whose mind changed in just a couple days.

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I don’t know. I kinda feel like this situation is analogous to when a new edition of a textbook gets released. The prof changes the required text. The students complain because it will cost them money (time in re-learning their respective number of radicals). The prof begrudgingly allows students to use the old textbook, but tells them that all of the page numbers will be based on the new textbook.

The students who shell out the money (re-learn the radicals) face hardship up front and smooth sailing afterwards. The students who want to save some money (hold onto their mnemonics/radicals) avoid the initial discomfort, but will then have recurring discomfort every time they go to do a reading because they’ll have to find everything on their own.

WK seems to have chosen choice - which feels like conscription - over prescribed change. Considering the number of people on these forums clamouring for change of one thing or the other (more kanji, more vocab, etc.), it’s probably for the best they didn’t spend too much time worrying about a seamless transition.

By the end of level 60 you’ll have learned 8804 (by wkstats.com’s count) items - the few (or couple dozen, whatever) radicals you’ll have to relearn are but a small fraction in the grand scheme of things. I’d say just bite the bullet :man_shrugging:

P.S. Small sample size I know, but I’ve personally found the new names to be beneficial.

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