MissDagger's (Final?/Ultimate) Study Log

My haul have arrived! A huge order just to get 耳をすませば and Orange 7. :joy:

Basically I took the opportunity to get some other things I’ve been thinking about, plus peeking through my want to read list on Bookmeter to find some more ideas. Also picked some nominations in book clubs that I’m interested in, so if they win later, I’ve got them.

Also got myself some otome visual novels. Past book club picks. A Dictionary of Intermediate/Advanced Japanese Grammer. And more Zenitendou. If I’d waited a few more days with my order I probably would have skipped those, ah well, more difficult (for some reason) and fun reading for me in the future.

@ChristopherFritz Did you mean only that 耳をすませば has no chapters? Because at least my copy have page numbers super often. So if you need help with page numbers for the club, hit me up.

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Uhh otome games :eyes:
Definitely have my eyes on all of those for when I’m a bit more advanced / I just go crazy and try them out. I don’t know if they’re actually any good but they look so aesthetically pleasing I can’t help it. I’m currently playing バリアブル バリケード on the VITA and having tons of fun but looking things up is so slow I’m taking forever :sweat_smile:

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I think I did manage to find two page numbers:

Bottom of page 58(?).

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And here's what I think is page 151.

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If this page is page 1, then I can rely on the internal file name from the ebook I bought to know the page.

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As for chapters, I don’t have a table of contents in the digital copy, but there are blank pages (with a single image) at the end of the first two chapters, and it’s clear where the third chapter ends, so I’m good on that part!

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Ah, I started this one recently. It keeps not getting picked for the book club, so I set out on my own =)

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Just be aware, I might have picked some/all of them because they were supposed to be a bit steamy (according to reviews/similar). :sweat_smile: However, I expect the Switch editions to not be too smutty. (Can’t decide if that is good or bad. :rofl:)

If you don’t want things to heat up, then probably don’t look at what I buy. :see_no_evil:

I probably need to get better before I start reading these. My eyes are too big for my stomach for sure. :sweat_smile:


That is page 5.

I have page numbers on pages 9, 10, 13, 16-18, 20, 25, and so on; so very regularly for the most part.

Here is the table of content:

I think my copy only have 2 chapters? And also an essay, weirdly?

And just in case it becomes relevant, here are the actual page 58 and 151 (in my copy, so hopefully these are just 5 pages later with the internal file names if I understand things correctly).

58, don't think this could possibly be a spoiler

151, might have spoilers, I didn't look closely at images nor text


If it doesn’t get picked, I will eventually read it. Won’t be for a long while yet, I have so much ahead of it on the to-be-read list. ^^

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Thanks for the page number info. It has been very educational!

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Interesting. The digital version has a page listing other works from the same author, and that is “page 178” (based on the image’s file name).

This 「幸せな時間」 seems to be a sequel story of sorts, based on Amazon’s description. I can’t find a digital copy available to purchase, though… =(

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I don’t have this image =P

But on page 54, I do have a “blank” page (with an image of two cats instead). So that’s good.

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I have this as 147 based on the internal file naming. At least this shows a consistent “plus 4” to the number I see to the physical book number.

They’re going to make me buy physical to get a copy of 「幸せな時間」, aren’t they?

I should probably create the book club thread soon just to let people planning to buy digital know that it doesn’t include a second story, and let people who buy physical know that the book club only covers the first story. (But can have a spinoff club for the second.)

Thanks again!

Edit: Found the second story digital, I think!

Looks like it’s added after part two of this other series. I’ll have to buy to confirm. I planned on getting the Baron two-part series anyways, so may as well sooner rather than later!

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The exact last page of the main story (didn’t realize the next was an additional story since I know nothing about this manga/story) is 179. They actually printed the page number on the last page. :open_mouth:

I looked through my whole copy and I don’t have a page like that. :sob:

Also, to note, there is another blank page on physical copy page 54 too. A four page “chapter”? How novel.

Yay :smiley:

But what about the essay and the discussion (connected to people involved with the anime movie)? Will we spinoff that too? :crazy_face: (And the atogaki for that matter :stuck_out_tongue: )

No worries! :+1: Let me know if you need anything more from the physical copy.

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I’m sure I can get away with sharing those images for the physical copy readers to see as the club takes place =D (Just need to remember to do so.)

I might need to split that one over two weeks so first-time readers can keep up. (Actually, I’m counting that as the beginning of “chapter two”, which continues past the “blank” page.)

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July 5

WK

Level 38 today! :tada:

My fastest level since my return for sure! It was a bit of strange one though because I skipped doing lessons one day due to knowing I would have zero chance to review them later that day, and I think I moved into level 38 with a lot more level 37 vocab than I have of late.

Well, I was still almost running out of vocab, so maybe this will tell me if my ratio is working or not.

I am interested in speeding up a bit more, but I think I’d need to go to 20 lessons a day for that, otherwise I’d work up a backlog of vocab and I truly don’t want that, because I don’t actually learn the kanji until I get the vocab.

And I’m smart enough to know I haven’t been on 16 lessons a day long enough to feel the increased workload for guru (and master?) reviews yet. So I’ll keep this level to 16 lessons too, and then I’ll see if I want to raise it to 20 lessons.

It is weird, because I feel like I can taste the finish. And I’m still finding the vocab super relevant for me, in fact with the explosion kanji 爆 this level coming up in Atelier Sophie (well technically not the kanji, but the related vocab). Also I’m assuming I’ll need the traces 跡 vocab for mystery stories.

The only probably useless (for me) vocab is the baseball terms because I don’t know baseball and I’m unlikely to get into it (I’m not into sport in general). But it wouldn’t surprise me if it showed up in something I read in the future, so not counting it out completely.

Listening / Gaming

Still playing Atelier Sophie, using it for listening practice. Early on level 37, I was getting a ton of story bits in the game, but I think I’ve finished off a lot of side character stories now, so I’m getting less story bits and I’m trying to clear some things up before I continue with the main story.

My plan is to try and finish the game before July 15 when Loopers VN start. I’d prefer to only be playing one game at a time (in relation to Japanese). I honestly don’t know if I will or not. I think I’m pretty close to the end of the main story, but I also want to finish all the side stories.

I’m not playing Atelier Sophie for its RPG elements. I play few games purely for gameplay. The gameplay have to be entertaining, but I play for the story. Some exceptions are Mario and Zelda games. Although I play Zelda for story (also gameplay is super fun!), it can’t be the main driver since there is usually so little of it. :cry: And Mario game stories, except the RPG ones, are all the same story basically. :joy:

So basically I enjoy the alchemy and gathering of Atelier Sophie enough to play it for the story. It also doesn’t require a lot grinding at my difficulty level. Nor grinding for the character stories. (Hades is an awesome and fun game, but I eventually had to give up on finishing off the last char side story because I couldn’t get it to trigger and I’d finished everything else I cared to finish. Thankfully, I could find the last story bits on Youtube…)

Reading

I’ve not been reading entirely what I expected this WK level. I did end up rereading the first story of Zenitendou, and I started the next story. Only a few pages, and then I’ve been reading other stuff. Oops? :sweat_smile:

I was really tired on the last day of June so I decided to just try the first few pages of ホテル・メッツァペウラへようこそ and ended up reading the first chapter (50 pages) without meaning to. This has now become my too tired to read something else manga.

I read it casually, not doing any look ups at all. I can follow it fine with only the occasional word completely unknown to me. The rest I get enough through context. It is really nice to read something without trying for full comprehension.

When I finish the two volumes I have of this (also the only ones currently out!), I’ll probably go back to reading Sailor Moon and read it a bit more casually than I have so far.

I might have to quickly finish the next story in Zenitendou before Loopers starts on July 15, because I’m not sure I’m willing to have 3 “books” (manga, book and VN) going at the same time with the goal of full comprehension.

The manga is, of course, Orange! (Since the book club started.) Man, it was so hard to stop after only half a chapter. I’ll be happy when we go to one chapter a week. Hopefully the majority will be fine with that shift for chapter 2.

Honestly, if I wasn’t leading the club myself, I’d just read ahead but I want to have the content fresh in my mind each week. And be a good help for the vocab sheet and ask (and answer) grammar/comprehension questions.

Also, the read every day summer challenge 2022 started and I have a fun home post where I use emojis in the calendar to show what I read.


I think that is about all for my Japanese over the past 9 days. In my private life, I’ve had to make a lot of renovation decisions and that is so tiring (and expensive). :pensive:

I also had to cancel my trip to the UK in August because I won’t get my passport in time and I had the opportunity to get my flights fully refunded, so I took it.

I’ll hopefully go to UK around Christmas time instead.

Despite all this though, I’ve felt mostly like my cheerful self, and honestly Japanese helps a lot with that. I’m enjoying what I’m reading, and the interactions here on the forum, and since so much of the vocab seems just right for me right now (getting into slightly more specialist or topic relevant vocab feels right for where I am), it probably couldn’t be much better. :smiley:

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July 16

WK

Level 39 today :exclamation:

I thought these levels were supposed to be hell, but honestly I’m finding them quite enjoyable. Probably because I’m seeing a few words from each level in whatever I’m currently reading. Sure, I might not be seeing all of them, but I never expected that.

It is kinda fun to have the synergy going between WK, the manga, the book, and the visual novel I am reading. They all share new vocabulary between them. Sometimes I’ll see a word using a kanji I just learned on WK. Other times I learnt a word a couple of weeks ago in Orange, that then showed up in the book I’m reading, and in another manga I read, and just yesterday it came up as a vocabulary lesson on WK.

And I can almost taste the forties! It is so exciting to be making real progress here on WK again.

Reading

I’ll start by quoting my calendar thing from the Read Every Day Summer Challenge 2022:

:tangerine: is Orange. :evergreen_tree: is ホテル・メッツァペウラへようこそ (Hotel). :cake: is 夜カフェ (Night Café). And :infinity: is ルーパーズ (Loopers)

I feel like I have a lot to say in this section. Let start with…

Zenitendou :candy: which is currently on hold. All those days I read Hotel was days I kinda meant to read Zenitendou, but I avoided it. This is telling me that the way I was reading Zenitendou (or its particular brand of difficulty) was not enjoyable. I preferred to pick up something new and read that, over continue. If I hadn’t had a reason to start Night Café though, I probably wouldn’t have put Zenitendou on hold, but I do so I’ll get back to Zenitendou when I can.

Orange :tangerine: is the book club and we’re going along. This week that started today is gonna be reading all of chapter 2. I don’t know if I can read all of that today, but I do. I have read about 8 pages of the ca 40 page chapter already, but reading Orange is so much more than just reading the pages. I fill in the vocab sheet a lot, and I also make sure to ask all my grammar questions and such. To make the book club as useful a resource in the future as possible. ^^

That is what I’ve chosen as the book club leader to do. I want to make the club a success as much as possible. We also have quite a bit of prediction/story discussions and those are a lot of fun to see what other people think will happen.

Loopers :infinity: just started this week. Technically yesterday, but I read it two days ago because I wanted to manage my time right. However, turns out the first chapter, the prologue, is a lot shorter than future chapters. Going by how long it took me to read the prologue (about 1h 45min), the first chapter will probably take me about 5 hours. (It is double the length and some.) That is probably not something I can do in one day, because there are only 24 hours in a day.

Lastly, I wanted to talk about Hotel :evergreen_tree:. I finished the two volumes of the manga that is currently out. Even looked into which chapter was published last in the magazine it is published it. I can’t wait until volume 3 comes out, but don’t think enough chapters for another volume will be published for a few more months.

This manga was so wholesome in the caring between the main characters and also how they as hotel staff cared for their guests. Also the art is honestly gorgeous in my opinion. I really enjoyed the kinda episodic nature of the stories, while also slowly deepening our knowledge of the three main characters, but especially the protagonist Jun.

Also, I realized that this is the first manga series* I read by myself.
*that wasn’t 2 volumes of short stories, nor a manga series I had read many times in English already

Every other manga I’ve read have had a book club here on WK. And while I got the recommendation here on the 多読 extensive reading thread, I wasn’t reading it with anyone, but by myself. I don’t know… it feels significant to me, so I’m celebrating it. :smiley: :partying_face:

I’m not sure I quite understand why Hotel stands out to me, especially since I did read that 2-volumes of short stories from Yuu Watase. :woman_shrugging:

Maybe it was the way I read it?

Hmm… yeah!

So if once again ignoring that I read Alice 19th in Japanese in 2020 (which I’ve read so many times in English that I wouldn’t even have needed to try to read the Japanese to know what was going on throughout the whole thing), Hotel is the first thing I’ve read without doing any lookups.

Where there a few things I didn’t understand? For sure. Did it at any point get to a point where I was lost about what was happening or why? No. So this is the first thing I’ve read with no aid while also getting an acceptable comprehension…

HOLY S***! That is pretty awesome, now that I think about it correctly. :confetti_ball: :sparkles: :tada: :mirror_ball: :dancer: :dancer: :dancer:

And I think that is a perfect place to end this update on. :smiley:

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Good morning! Nice to see you. :slight_smile:
It is 5:00 a.m. here. I am going to go for a walk with a camera at sunrise. Then I will work for a little in the garden. We finally had rain last night.

I am glad to hear about your recent reading success. :slight_smile: Good work.
I hope that your summer is going pleasantly.

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Good morning! :smiley:

That sounds like a nice way to start the day. The sunrise is still way too early here. Probably around 2-3 am. Comes from living so far north. Because I tend to sleep between 1-2 am and 9 am, I see the sunrise a few times right before going to bed this time of year.

We’ve had cloudy and some rain over the last few days. I want it to clear up enough that I can use my battery driven lawnmower outside without fear for it or me. Aka I don’t really want it to start raining while I’m out there. Hopefully by middle of this week. :crossed_fingers:

I’m mostly good, although I got a super stiff neck on Friday that I’ve been dealing with, but it has almost completely cleared up today thankfully. Tomorrow, I think I’ll be back to normal. ^^

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The last few days when I’ve gone to do WK lessons, I’ve felt resistance and a “this again?” feeling. It isn’t necessarily that the lessons are hard, but they feel hard to do. (Like the action of going through and doing them, not the action of learning them; if that makes sense.) Could be a bit of burnout, or I’m kinda on vacation right now so that change of mind/scenery could be affecting how I feel about lessons.

I think I’ll keep doing lessons through the end of this level and if I still feel the same (I’ve felt like this for 2-3 days now), I won’t start level 40 lessons when I level up. I will finish level 39 lessons though to make sure I cement level 39 kanji (I learn the kanji, meanings and readings, through the vocabulary).

I should level up beginning of next week, and then about a week after that I will have family staying over for a few days (only planing to do reviews then anyway), so maybe a 2 week break with just reviews will help bring enthusiasm specifically for WK back.

I’m still very much hype to read more Japanese. I’m having a lot of fun with all the things I’m reading right now.

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July 25

WK

Level 40 is here :exclamation: :tada:

This feels like such a long time coming. I’ve been in the 30s for quite a while. I got to level 30 in late May 2020. And that was all due to the Olympians group. I leveled 20 levels in the year I spent in Japan (plus a couple of extra months).

And now I’m here, finally with a new tens number. I see no reason why I won’t continue on this course.

I talked a few days ago about feeling tired of lessons. I don’t feel that way right now, and if I apply myself the same way this level like I have the last few, then I could hit level 41 before I have house guests and will only review.

However, considering how I’ve felt and I have extra on my mind right now. Between cat-sitting and a bit of house-sitting, as well as running back to my own home all the time. Also prepping for house guests, and trying to keep up with my yard, and also figure out a thing around reading that I will mention below…

Well, perhaps I should lighten the load of lessons for a while. Go back to 12 lessons or even 8. That way I can keep progressing, but also lower the number of reviews and pressure. I should take my whole situation into consideration.

So expect to see me on level 40 for a while longer than I have been on other levels lately!

Reading

Currently reading:

  • Loopers :infinity:, a visual novel
  • Orange :tangerine:, manga
  • Night Café :cake:, novel/light novel

First let me go back to the thing I mentioned above. I had trouble reading this weekend, partly because of other things in my life preoccupying me, but also because I was switching from Night Café which I usually read on weekdays back to my book/VN club readings, and that switching is a point of danger for me. Those are the kind of times when I’ll stop doing a habit. When going switching from A to B.

I don’t wanna write out the whole thing again, see my update on the REDC summer 2022 thread: 📚📚 Read every day challenge - Summer 2022 🏖 ☀ - #804 by MissDagger

So because I’m currently part of two clubs, this switching is something I’ll have to contend with, and I don’t want to read ahead because the thing that makes the clubs enjoyable is speculating together over where the story might be going and such.

Also, I’m reading Night Café in the hope to join the club for volume 2 starting on August 6th, and then I will read 耳をすませば with the BBC from September 10. Basically, soon I will be participating in 4 clubs at once. I guess by then, most of my reading time all week will be taken by clubs. :joy:

Anyway…

I’m enjoying Orange even if it wrecks my emotions every time I read it. I had no idea that it was going to be that kind of story when I bought the series a few years ago. I was told it was a slice of life manga that had some story and was short (only 6 volumes although now it is 7 volumes). No one mentioned that it would be a tearjerker. Hopefully there can be a bright future at the end of this story or less I might get a bit bitter…

And then Loopers is also not what I expected. Not sure what I expected, maybe something closer to Groundhog? Or Edge of Tomorrow? It is supposed to be a time loop story, but so far after reading prologue and chapter 1, there is no time loop in sight. Maybe I expected it too early, but so far all story developments have been in different directions than towards time shenanigans. I’m enjoying it though.

Lastly, Night Café is pretty comfy. For one, I’m reading it a bit more casually, mostly using the book club’s vocabulary sheet and trying not to look up a lot outside that. And the story is going down more predictable paths, I feel like I know where the story is going/will go. While both Orange and Loopers is leaving me feeling like I’m in a maze with super tall hedges that have so many twists and turns I can barely see a few pages ahead.

Not saying I know what will happen in Night Café but it is like I have a feeling of the general story arch, of being able to guess the emotional journey ahead of me. I can tell some confrontations that will (most likely) eventually happen, certain plot points. I don’t know how we’ll get there, or how they will play out, or if the stuff until that point will shift the landscape enough that something doesn’t happen. But I feel like I can look into the distance and have an idea of what it’ll look like.

That certainly makes that read a whole lot more comfortable. And I’m also finding the teenage drama done very well and engaging me. I’m so glad Hanabi has someone like her aunt in her life. We could all use someone like that who both supports us unconditionally and pushes us to be honest and our best selves.


And clearly I can write a lot about what I’m reading, which is why I’m enjoying the clubs because it is giving me an excuse to write what I’m thinking about it, and I’m sharing that experience with other people. And we can all share how we’re getting on with story. In that way, I guess Orange and Loopers, with their unpredictability, are better choices. :joy:

That was supposed to be my sign off…

またね!:wave:

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Time to develop a habit of switching =D

For me personally, switching is required so I avoid days of “I don’t feel like reading this today”. If I don’t feel like reading one thing, I have anywhere from five to ten other series I’m actively reading to pick from.

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Yeah, I’ll need to develop something like that. And when I’m high energy and not bothered by anything else, it goes easily. But when other things are on my mind or I’m bothered by something on the day I should switch, well, I might just not switch/start the next thing.

I also don’t like too many things going at once; it can stress me too. I think 4 book clubs will stretch me, maybe beyond what I’ll like/can handle. I’ll have to see. ^^

I can always drop out or read ahead to finish a volume early.

Perhaps this will mean I’ll be choosy in what book clubs I follow in real time. But time will tell how I’m able to navigate things. :blush:

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Or I could have a super crappy start to the day and therefore decide to do fewer lessons. This day is gonna suck for a while longer still. Meh. :pensive:

At least it isn’t something serious in a long term way. Just an unexpected problem I have to deal with today, and I’m so tired.

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August 5

I have entered Paradise!

I have reached level 41 :bangbang:
Why is that emote called bangbang? :face_with_monocle:

I am now two thirds through WK (level-wise). And that feels kinda crazy.

Back when I started WK in late October 2018, I thought I’d be at 60 within a year or so, because why wouldn’t I go at max speed? That held for about a month, then I slowed down.

I ended up not hitting level 10 until March 2019. And while that isn’t terribly slow, certainly a lot slower than I thought from the beginning. (Despite getting lifetime within 2 months of starting.)

20 was January 2020 and then speed up again for the next 10 level so I hit 30 in May 2020. And now in August 2022, I finally hit 40. 2+ years later.

No wonder it feels like forever. And just think, I’ve found the 30s full of useful vocabulary. I keep seeing things I’ve learnt in the last few months in everything I’m reading. Regularly enough that it is fairly common vocabulary.

To be fair to myself though. I kinda took a break from Japanese about the time I hit 30 (a couple of weeks after). A certain thing that happened in March, derailed my life, and I ended up moving internationally a month earlier than planned, and then I moved cross country only a few months after that. And not even a year after that I moved again.

I never moved until I moved away from home, and since then 9-10 times (depending on how you count it, and if I haven’t forgotten a move) and I moved out 13 years ago (I believe). So almost once a year. Can not recommend. :sweat_smile:

Anyway, I didn’t do much Japanese until the beginning of 2022 when I started working through my review pile (I’ve never used vacation mode and probably never will). And now I’m here.

During this level, I had two interesting experiences.

(1) Reading chapter 3 of Loopers (VN) and needing to look up 220ish items, well those were the new terms, I also double checked some words, and I also had to look up some of those 220ish items more than once since they showed up again later in the chapter (long enough later that I forgot). This was a slug. That many look ups, having to draw a lot of the kanji because I didn’t know the reading…

(2) Then I read the あとがき of Orange volume 1. It had no furigana (except for the mangaka’s name). And I read it easily. I had to skip a couple of things, but it were mostly names. Over those two pages with a lot of text for manga, there were only 3-5 unknown words.

And then I also started replaying Super Mario Odyssey but in Japanese and it has been super easy to understand (except for the pamphlet for the desert place (I haven’t read any of the other tourist pamplets)).

It made me realize how far I’ve come. I feel like in a way, my awareness of my knowledge was still stuck in the early twenties, about the time I left Japan and Japanese language school. I hadn’t seen how much I’d progressed since then.

And then suddenly I had. It made me realize that I was level 40. I was almost (at the time) 2/3rds through WK.

So during the same level I both realized how far I’ve come, and how far I still have to go. Loopers is very much stretching my vocabulary. My vocabulary have so far been very focused on daily school life stuff, so reading slice of life manga have fit that well. Giving me just enough new vocabulary to push at the edges of my knowledge.

Loopers on the other hand doesn’t really fit that. I don’t know the common vocabulary used in visual novels (because I haven’t read any before), and also there are genre elements I haven’t read before. (Horror/eerie stuff)

I’m enjoying everything I’m reading right now from Loopers, to my first light novel 夜カフェ, to Orange. I also dipped my toes in another VN, will see if I’ll keep reading it past the prologue or wait for now. Lastly I’m playing Super Mario Odyssey, and while it is mostly for the game play (I’m a Mario nerd), I’m enjoying the fairly easy text.

Looking forward to all the useful vocabulary I will learn in the 40s, and all the fun reading I will do as I progress.

I do have a plan to take a bit of a lesson break soon, but I think I’ll wait until I hit level 42. At some point in my life, I might even read the whole series that created that meme (I’ve read the first book only).

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In javascript , ! is the logical “not” operator and is called a “bang” (though, I’m not sure why). So “bang true” or !true would become false, and “bang bang true” or !!true would remain true. It’s probably best to not get into the nuances of why that matters here though. Anyway, good luck on your studies.

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Coding slang made it into an emote’s name? I don’t know why that surprises me, it was probably coders who named the emote after all. :joy:

Bang bang sound like an euphemism to me, but maybe that’s just me. :joy:

Thank you!

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It also goes back to Unix at least, and has carried over into Linux as well.

Some give the origin as comic books where someone fires a gun and “BANG!” appears beside it as the sound effect. But I don’t know if there’s anything to back that as an origin.

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