Got the invite, let’s do some bug hunting!
Didn’t get an invite. Does that mean I’ll be in the third wave?
Just wondering if you have any idea when the third wave will be, and how many people you think you’re going to invite?
Is it totally random, or in order of signing up?
I hope it’s somewhat random because I only signed up yesterday and I want to use it within a month.
Mine was in the spamfolder. So don’t forget to check there.
Oh hey, thanks for the reminder because mine was in the spam folder.
@neicul First suggestion while I’m here (and don’t have access to the discord server). I accidentally clicked the “Sign Out” button when seeing what the different tabs were. Perhaps it would be good to add a little vertical space between the other tabs and the “Sign Out” button to differentiate it from the rest.
@neicul It seems like you were trying to match WaniKani’s SRS interval’s for your defaults when creating a new deck, but the last two intervals are off. Not that you have to have your defaults match theirs of course, but if you really want to here are their official intervals: https://github.com/tofugu/wanikani-api-v2-doc/blob/version/20170710/source/includes/_additional_information.md
Related to creating a new deck, is there a way to save your desired SRS intervals? I think most people would want to use the same intervals for everything (or maybe a few variations), so always going back to the system defaults is not ideal. I see three options that would be better than always using the defaults.
- Remember what the user used for their most recently created deck. This option is simple, but perhaps not obvious, and it only lets you use one value.
- Allow the user to specify their default interval in a setting. This option is still relatively simple, but it’s more obvious. However, it still only lets you use one value.
- Allow the user to make SRS interval templates. This option is the most flexible, but is perhaps too complex and could be unintuitive.
My preference is option 2 for finding the right balance between simplicity and usefulness.
Also, I think you need to add a guide and/or hover tips for creating a new deck. Perhaps it’s mostly because I only used Anki for all of 5 minutes before, but I have no idea what most of the options are for. I’m sure I can figure them out by experimenting later (which I plan to do), but there should be some explanation somewhere.
The only specific one I’m curious about now is the
Public option. Does that do anything right now, or is that for a future search functionality related to shared decks?
Also, given the nature of SRS, I’d recommend warning if you try to save a non-increasing SRS interval. In the spirit of flexibility, you probably don’t want to disallow it, but I feel like for most people it would probably be done by mistake.
I think you should add a warning on the deck add/edit page if you try to navigate away and there are unsaved changes. That would include clicking the “Back” button, clicking one of the other tabs in the navigation bar, and potentially even trying to close the tab.
Small UX bug I think. When I save a deck, all of the fields get a green border except for the “Description” field. Similarly, when I focus then unfocus a field, it turns green, except for the “Description” field. Also, “Order Method” only turns green if I change the value, whereas the inputs turn green just by clicking in and then out of them.
That’s it for now for adding/editing decks. I’ll create a new post for anything I find later.
@seanblue thanks for all the feedback!
- Noted about the vertical space.
- Community decks are not active yet, the public setting is supposed to make it a community deck later on.
- Good catch with the levels!
- There is no way yet but I will put nr 2 as a feature request
- guides/wizards/tooltips etc are currently on the todo list! Definitely need to put that in asap.
- added to the feature request list
- warning before navigation after editting is also on the list
- the fields only turn green if the validation on it had no errors. The description field is not required and therefor has no validation. That’s the reason it is not changing colours
Thanks for the really detailed report! Im adding the points to the trello list now. Please take a look to see if there’s anything else on there that you might’ve encountered so you don’t report the same things ^^
Oh and in the mean time check out post #2 in the thread for a general (bit outdated) how to use!
Yeah, I’m just excited in anticipation
@neicul I wonder if it would be worth bumping tooltips to priority, so that the third wave of activations can give you some feedback on them based on first impressions? I’m not sure how huge of an undertaking they are.
Good idea, although my priority list is getting kinda full by now I’ll bump those in there as well.
Haha, I know but you cleared a lot in the last update!
Immediately filled again hahaha
Yay, I also received my invitation! Can’t wait to try it later today
I’ll be joining the Discord server as well.
I would suggest puting the sign out button at the bottom. I think a vertical space would look weird.
And thank you for the activation, I’ll join the discord server soon
I hope to receive my invitation soon. I really dislike Anki but I definitely need some SRS to learn the Genki Kana Vocabulary
I’m a longtime user of Anki (though not really for Japanese), and I’ve also helped a lot of people get started on Anki—and I know that most people don’t like it, even though I’ve always loved it. (It’s not intuitive but its power kept me going.)
Here are some thoughts.
(1) The Anki model doesn’t increase things by set intervals the way WK does, so each card is advanced (potentially) a bit differently from each other. Plus, Anki has a “scatter” function, which means that even if you add 20 new cards today and answer them all the same way, which in theory sets the cards to be reviewed (say) 3 days from now, the cards will not, in fact, all be seen 3 days from now. Some may be seen in 2 days, and some in 4.
The advantage to this is that cards are not seen in batches, with the same cards seen together every time. It is better, in my opinion, for cards to be reviewed separately rather than in batches. My brain, at least, is capable of saying “Hey, this batch again!” and recalling cards within that batch that I wouldn’t be able to recall outside of that batch. So I really appreciate this scatter feature.
One of the beauties I’ve found in learning with Anki is that two cards that I had never thought of together will suddenly appear together, and I’ll see a connection between the two that I never saw before—or I’ll confuse the two, even though I’d never thought of them as related. I see this as a huge advantage to Anki, which I think vanishes if you use a “batch” system, and process every card identically. (You could still have each card on Step 3 or whatever, but just have a fudge factor in how far forward each card is thrown.)
(2) With all the talk of templates and layouts and such, I got lost in what functionality is available here. In Anki I have lots of flexibility. When saving an Anki “note,” I enter (say) one Spanish word, with up to three English translations and optional clues. Each English translation also has a field to show whether it should be shown as an English-Spanish question. For card layouts, I have one Spanish-English card (answer lists all three translations and possibly a comment), and as many English-Spanish cards as are appropriate, which show the English and associated clue. So anywhere from one to four cards are automatically created for this note.
When I later modify the note, the associated cards are automatically modified. (Except that I don’t think it would automatically remove a card if I decided a particular English translation didn’t need an associated English-Spanish card after that card had already been generated.)
Can I do this sort of thing on your site?
(3) Capitalization can be a feature that is tested for, so stripping it could cause a problem. This isn’t relevant when the subject is Japanese, but if you’re hoping your system can be used for other things, it could become so.
There is no scatter function yet, but it would not be difficult to implement this as a setting per deck, and I can definitely understand why you would find it useful.
Currently, layouts (the card stylings) are linked to templates (the fields defined for your cards). When adding new cards, you first choose the template, then you can choose multiple layouts, once you fill in the actual card values and press the save button, it will automatically save a card per layout. Meaning you would have multiple cards utilizing the same template fields but with different layouts.
These cards are currently not linked to each other yet. Meaning you would have to update the cards manually. We have been discussing this on the discord server and if there is enough demand for it, linking these cards will be supported. That way you would be able to update all “linked” cards at once.
I’m not 100% sure if this is the utility you are looking for as I might have misunderstood something. In that case, let’s discuss it some more!
You bring up a really fair point! I could make it a setting per deck.
Thanks for your interest and detailed questions!
I’ve enjoyed this scatter functionality on iknow.jp as well and would definitely love for it to be added.
I will add it to the feature backlog list, seems like a nice feature to have for advanced users.
Thank you for activating my account. I have just started with Kitsun today. I wonder if we are able to import deck from Anki or change the template please?
You can find a import fuction on the settings page. Currently the import is a bit broken for very large (~1gb) anki decks (10k core vocab for example) but anything else should work
You can also always add your own templates or layouts by creating them yourself. The starting templates and layouts are there as examples of how it works.
If you have any more questions, feel free to ask