🔊 🎙 Listen Every Day Challenge - Winter 2023 ❄ 🧤

Japanese Language Listening
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Jan 9th, 10th, 11th, 12th, 13th, 14th and 15th update :melting_face:
very brief rundown for future prosperity

9th - 1 Nihongo con teppei episode
10th - first episode of The Ice Guy and His Cool Female Colleague without subs. (already watched with eng subs once)
11th - 2 Nihongo con teppei episodes
12th - Listened to a yuyu podcast episode
13th - Half a yuyu podcast episode (I must of been tired that day because in my notes I state I may need to re-listen. :sweat_smile:)
14th - the notes in my journal say, and I quote “Listened to yuyu”
15th - Listened to a bunch of Nihongo con teppei today, mainly about foods you eat when its cold out. Also listened to a yuyu episode about bochi the rock.

Future things to think about:
I think it would be better for me to actually have a structure about what podcast episodes I listen to because right now its a very random mixture where I just click on an episode and go. I think I would get a better sense of progression going a more structured route.

Definitely want to stick it out with both of the podcasts I’m listening to because Its great understanding so much of what I’m listening to as opposed to anime.

Maybe want to try listening to some Letsplayers that I used to watch before in Japanese (mainly
兄者弟者 and 花江夏樹 ). Watching letsplayers often reminds me of when I was a kid so I find it really calming.

Also I feel like at the moment a lot of my listening Is just to tick boxes. I’m still not mad as its definitely building a habit. Also wish my notes where more comprehensive but that’s what I get for writing them just before bed :sleeping:
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Thank you for the encouragement! I really just need to carve out some time to watch the video for the subs. I’m already happily listening along with whatever I’m picking up, so I guess that’s half of the battle.

looking through your posts here you seem to be doing well, Congrats on not having missed a day! :sparkles:

Honestly, this is me too. I’m always trying to do stuff that’s a bit over my level. I recently had to drop SpyxFamily because I decided it was just a bit too much above my level. And couldn’t justify slogging though dictionary look ups when I could read something easier, still look things up and learn new things but also still enjoy my self!

I do think its different with audio though (especially conversational). I’m ok with a lot more ambiguity. I guess it just depends how much you want to read/watch said thing. :grin:

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So I started listening to 正欲 as I saw the audiobook was available on Audible and I had some credits piling up. It was on a bunch of ‘best of’ lists by booktubers and while I didn’t remember it sounding very interesting, I’ve previously had a friend recommend this author to me so I figured I’d at least give it a try.

Most of the way through chapter 1 and it strikes me as mildly philosophical and a touch too high for my listening skills right now. I’m almost there. So I decided to get the text and do what I did back in the beginning to improve my listening: read + listen, then listen again.

In case anyone is interested the cover looks like this
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And here's the stuff from the description on Amazon

第19回 本屋大賞ノミネート!
【第34回柴田錬三郎賞受賞作】

あってはならない感情なんて、この世にない。
それはつまり、いてはいけない人間なんて、この世にいないということだ。

息子が不登校になった検事・啓喜。
初めての恋に気づいた女子大生・八重子。
ひとつの秘密を抱える契約社員・夏月。
ある人物の事故死をきっかけに、それぞれの人生が重なり合う。

しかしその繋がりは、"多様性を尊重する時代"にとって、
ひどく不都合なものだった――。

「自分が想像できる＂多様性＂だけ礼賛して、秩序整えた気になって、
そりゃ気持ちいいよな」

これは共感を呼ぶ傑作か?
目を背けたくなる問題作か?

作家生活10周年記念作品・黒版。
あなたの想像力の外側を行く、気迫の書下ろし長篇。

And that translated by DeepL for anyone who'd like it

Nominated for the 19th Bookstore Grand Prize!
Winner of the 34th Shibata Renzaburo Award

There is no such thing in this world as feelings that should not exist.
In other words, there is no such thing as a person who should not exist in this world.

Keiki is a prosecutor whose son has stopped attending school.
Yaeko is a college student who has found love for the first time.
Natsuki is a contract worker with a secret.
Their lives overlap after the accidental death of a certain person.

However, this connection is terribly inconvenient in an "age that respects diversity.

"It feels good to be able to praise only the diversity you can imagine, and feel like you’re putting things in order.
That feels good, doesn’t it?

Is this a sympathetic masterpiece?
Or is it a problematic work that makes you want to turn away?

This is a black edition of a work commemorating the 10th anniversary of the artist’s life.
This is a spirited new long story that goes outside your imagination.

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I fully expected some manbo-p there, but 打首獄門同好会 is great too!

Guess I can add that to my day too now… it’s pretty hard to stop once you start watching it, haha. Even though I didn’t get much it was entertaining!

Yeah, dropping things that are much too hard is usually a good call in my opinion.

For me on the other hand, it’s worse with audio. I’m okay pausing while reading to look up a word, and reading a word again is easy just by moving your eyes, but having to pause a video or podcast (and worse, repeat parts!) to look up a word is pretty annoying.

Maybe I just have to build my stomach for ambiguity more.

The last two days and today: Slowly working through the Holotalk episode!

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Season 1 was so good and then season 2 focused so much on romance and had Alice seeming so dumb that I am still on episode 6.

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Saturday is always a bumper day on podcast listening as I go around the supermarket with Teppei, Sakura, Shun and Noriko. They are good company but a little bit distracting and I usually don’t buy enough food. I’ll know on Wednesday if I’ve done it again as there will be two hungry teenagers circling the fridge like something out of a wild-life documentary.
Sunday, I got a little bored of listening to the same old episodes on my playlist so I listened to Teppei whilst cooking a shepard’s pie. I overdid the amount of stock I added and it swamped the mashed potato. Son refused to eat any of it.
I listened to some recent episodes, and I listen to each one 3 times or so in a row. First listen is to get a gist of what’s going on without pausing. Second listen to confirm and pause at words that kinda sound familar to check them. Third listen to confirm.
I can kinda follow a lot of what Teppei says, but there are always sections or sentences where I don’t know much at all.
Still, managing to do about an hour a day still. Should find out this week whether I need to practice N4 or N5 listening exercises. Oh gosh I hope I don’t have to do N5 again.

@NicoleIsEnough thanks for the kind offer, I’ve sent an email.

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Jan 16, Mon of Week 4 of Winter Q1 2023 :snowman::snowflake:

I visited Youtube. A pronunciation joke and Sora the joke.

So-matome N3 Listening Ch.3 [1/6]. Sound from various places in Japan. This certainly brings back memories, although I am not visiting Japan any time soon.

君の膵臓をたべたい Ch.6 [1/4].

かがみの孤城 March [6/10]. Perhaps,…

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:headphones: :desktop_computer: :sound: :snowflake: January 14

Teppei for beginners #16 and watched the first episode of the new Nier:Automata anime (with ES subs though)

:headphones: :desktop_computer: :sound: :snowflake: January 15

Teppei for beginners #17, the second episode of the Nier:Automata anime (ES subs) and played BU$TAFELLOWS for 1h.

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January 16 :film_strip:

I was idly browsing through the Netflix catalogue, about to rewatch Monster but curious if there was anything else new in Japanese, when my eye fell on a series called MIU404. The actors’ names were Japanese, there was no romance or fantasy in the content tags, so I thought, why not.

And it was so much fun! I was chuckling throughout the whole episode. There’s a new temporary mobile investigative unit, and instead of partnering the two people who had been partners before, one gets the son of one of the top brass, an over-serious guy who looks like he has never left the office, and the other a hot-headed, impulsive (but ultimately loveable) guy who seems more dangerous and uncontrollable than the criminals. Personality clashes in a police setting - what’s not to love? It was funny, and exciting, and kinda heartwarming too. And I get to hear police terms that are giving me trouble while reading 半落ち.

The only question is, should I rewatch the episode with Japanese subtitles this time, or just continue to the next one? :thinking:

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Second week finished.

Not much changed from last week. Mainly random YouTube stuff and a bit of anime.
Not much else to say, just wanted to clock in :smile:

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Last night’s movie was: サムライマラソン (2019), same title in English. I was a bit confused at first, it was in the Japanese language section, but then when I went to turn off subtitles it said the audio was in English, but probably 90% of the film is in Japanese, the only English is a scene with some Americans.

But it’s a Japanese-British joint venture, a British director (and some crew) with pretty much all Japanese actors (perhaps Hollywood could take notes about this part. And also that you don’t need massive CGI-laden battle scenes for a samurai movie to be entertaining).
I didn’t recognise any of the actors but a quick wiki search says they’ve been in quite a few films.

Set in the 1850s a group of American vessels arrive in Japan to discuss trade and diplomatic relations (the real-life Perry Expedition), a local lord becomes worried that this is just a ruse for a full scale invasion (even more so after seeing what sort of weapons the Americans have). He looks at his samurai and sees the sorry state they’re all in after the 250+ years of peace that Japan has been enjoying. So he decides for them all to partake in a cross country marathon to toughen them up and see what they’re capable of.

I enjoyed this quite a lot! I had no idea what to expect really from a modern samurai film, I wasn’t expecting Kurosawa-level (though really, can anything reach that level?) but this was really quite enjoyable. The cinematography was good, all the costumes and set-pieces were nicely done, it was all done rather tastefully. The story was interesting and moved at a good pace - it got a bit bogged down at the beginning introducing the different characters and sub-plots (lots of sub-plots), but once it got down to the main portion it went smoothly.

The best part was the characters though, the acting was great all round, and everyone was varied (which I appreciated on Japanese listening-level too). I like that there wasn’t really a definite bad or good character, everyone had their own motivations from different viewpoints. There was a great friendship between a young kid and an old, retired samurai.

The score is great too, I was thinking that I recognised the style through the whole thing, then when the credits rolled and it showed the composer… it was only none other than Philip Glass, no wonder it was good :rofl:

Japanese-wise, a lot of the samurai had the mumble-talk, or rough surly type, which was quite difficult to understand. But there was quite a bit that I could understand, enough to not be completely lost with the story at least. The bit were the Americans and the Japanese were conversing in their own languages messed with my head a bit though, there was one part were the American spoke and my brain was like “I don’t understand this accent of Japanese” then it dawned on me that he was speaking English.

It was also based on a book that’s about the Ansei Toashi / 安政遠足. The race has been revived and takes places in Annaka city annually (where the film also takes place).

If you think you’ll learn more from watching it again with subtitles then it could be a good idea! I’ve been tempted to re-watch some of the films with subtitles on, but I know I end up getting a bit lazy with subtitles and end up on relying on them the whole time.

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:snowflake: Day 16, 16th of January :snowflake:

:headphones: Back to my Home Post

Today I wanted to challenge myself, and so I listened to Comprehensible Japanese Episode #1 - #4 again, but without subtitles. Or even looking at the screen at all. A lot of what happens in those videos helps in conveiing meaning, so I wanted to see what I could understand without that aid.

I think it went rather well. At least now I know which vocabulary I need to review. I also somehow completely forgot I ever watched #2?

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So I did try to rewatch with Japanese subtitles on, but I focused on the subtitles way too much - not out of laziness, but because in fact I can’t really read at natural speaking speed, and I constantly wanted to pause and check the kanji, which was a bit counterproductive. I also considered removing any kind of subtitles, but then I sometimes wanted to check a word, and with subtitles it would have been easier. So what I did was turn on both English (through Netflix) and Japanese (through Subudub or whatever extension I have installed) subtitles. The result is that this is so much text that I give up on trying to read it and focus on listening, glancing occasionally at the English for confirmation, and pausing to look up the Japanese from time to time. Who would have thought that more subtitles are better for listening after all…

Oh, so this was a true story? It sounds like a fun and unexpected premise for a samurai film.

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Learning Japanese seems like a constant battle with the brain, and trying to trick it into learning.

If it works though, it works! Think you’ll continue with watching twice with and without subs?

With listening I feel I know quite a few of the words that come up but I just can’t seem to connect the sound of the word with the actual word, I find with subs, I end up just reading the word and completely blank how it sounds.

It seems so! Reading about it, there’s evidence in old manuscripts that this actually took place (at around the same time too), the lordship of the Annaka domain did set a marathon for his samurai in order train them up. Which was a result of the following unease after the Perry Expedition. And it looks like the new race tries to keep to the original track designated in the old writings, which is pretty cool!
(and looking at the photos of the shrines and such, it looks like the film tried to replicate this as accurately as possible)

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I only watch youtube videos without any subtitles. For series and films, without subtitles I get so frustrated at missing stuff that I want to quit. So I figure subtitles are better than nothing. I do try to look at them as little as possible though.

Yes, that’s what happened to me when I had Japanese subtitles only. I focused all my efforts on reading, and completely ignored the sound. That’s not listening though. :sweat_smile:

So yeah, my compromise, counter-intuitive as it sounds, is English subtitles. As I can read them at a quick glance (when will I reach that speed in Japanese?), I have time to listen to the audio first, then look at the subtitle for confirmation on what I heard. Or sometimes I start with the subtitle, then it’s suddenly super easy for my brain to match the sounds to known words because I already expect the meaning. While it’s not pure “listening”, I feel it’s a good enough crutch. It seems to work for me at least.

I don’t think I’ll keep rewatching, even the most enjoyable show can get boring when you watch it twice. But I may leave both language subtitles on. I won’t really be trying to read the Japanese subtitles, but it will be helpful if I want to pause and look at a sentence in more detail.

Maybe later I’ll rewatch some stuff I’ve already watched without any subtitles. If I already know what’s going on the frustration is much lower. I did it quite successfully with some episodes of Erased, but I still don’t really like rewatching unless it’s been years, so I guess I may have to dig up some old dvds or something and see how it goes.

That’s really cool! Okay, now I want to watch this too. I’ll keep an eye out for it.

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I find this way works well too, if I can have a quick translation of the first thing said in a conversation I can usually follow the rest of the conversation without any aid until it changes topic. Dropping straight in without any context I can hear words I know and just don’t recognise them. If it’s easy to toggle subs on and off, this sounds like a good way to learn!

I would also like to know when this happens, I’ve been learning for a few years now, and my reading speed is still very slow :sweat_smile:

This sounds like a good idea! I might try and find some stuff that I know well and watch without subs and see if I can understand it better. Since I’ve been finding watching media-style Japanese over people teaching Japanese to be better for listening practice as well. I was getting so frustrated in the previous challenge trying to understand everything, but being a bit more relaxed about it I feel is a lot more productive for me. I’ve had much more “I understand that!!” moments this time around.

頑張って！

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Ahhh I loved that show! It was a lot of fun. The two main characters are in several other shows. 星野源 (forgive me I get kanji wrong, I’m on mobile and writing from memory) is a musician but he was also in the movie 地獄でなぜ悪い and the other guy, 綾野ご (tbh totally guessing on him. Ayano Go) has been in a bunch of things lately but a Netflix original called The Journalist you may enjoy.

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January 16th!

Just a small amount of listening today.
My husband was watching a review of a VR headset in Japanese (with english subs) and wondered how much I could understand so I listened to it.
The answer was “Not much” :sweat_smile: The stuff I understood was mostly loan words to be honest, but I caught a few bits and pieces and thats better than nothing!

(Home Post)

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Today I watched two episodes of Comprehensible Japanese Intermediate:


I looked up a few words in the subtitles (that I only activate briefly for that purpose), but apart from that it was pretty easy to understand. I wonder how effective it is to listen to stuff with so much visual help.

Maybe I should try things like watching a video twice (first blind, then actually looking; although I dislike repetition, so I might just lose focus and interest) or maybe just trying it without watching and opening my eyes only for parts where I struggle. Hmmm…

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Anyone else going pretty hard with the listening? Or am I just trying too hard?

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Random youtube videos of interviews which weren’t very interesting, a short film that was also kinda ‘eh’, and a bit of an audiobook. Today was scattered.

What does going hard mean here?

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