# Levels beyond 60? **URL:** \ **Category:** WaniKani\ **Created:** [January 3, 2020, 7:26am UTC](https://community.wanikani.com/t/levels-beyond-60/41149 "2020-01-03T07:26:07Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![BebopReed](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/wanikanicommunity/user_avatar/community.wanikani.com/bebopreed/32/283723_2.png) [@BebopReed](https://community.wanikani.com/u/BebopReed)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2020, 7:26am UTC](https://community.wanikani.com/t/levels-beyond-60/41149/1 "2020-01-03T07:26:08Z")
I looked through the forums for posts addressing this question, but I didn’t find one (sorry if I missed it!). Are there any plans to add new levels beyond 60 to WaniKani, or is that it? How much new content gets added over time? I’m interested in the lifetime membership, but I will probably stick to monthly if the website is static. ---
**Author:** ![Sulax](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/wanikanicommunity/user_avatar/community.wanikani.com/sulax/32/190013_2.png) [@Sulax](https://community.wanikani.com/u/Sulax)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2020, 7:31am UTC](https://community.wanikani.com/t/levels-beyond-60/41149/2 "2020-01-03T07:31:29Z")
From time to time there are new vocab and kanji added to existing levels. Furthermore they add new features like the voices ( male and female ) recently was a major update regarding mmnemonics. Furthermore the lifetime membership will pay of if you consider to burn every single item 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![konekush](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/wanikanicommunity/user_avatar/community.wanikani.com/konekush/32/5287_2.png) [@konekush](https://community.wanikani.com/u/konekush)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2020, 7:39am UTC](https://community.wanikani.com/t/levels-beyond-60/41149/3 "2020-01-03T07:39:49Z")
The kanji/vocab content is mostly baked as is (they can’t invent any kanji to artificially inflate things, and after 2000 kanji there’s a risk of teaching people kanji that are too obscure) with the occasional additions into existing levels, but meanings, mnemonics, design, code, support, and maintenance are updated year round. Regarding new levels, they’ve said before they’d rather not add new levels, but add any new items into preexisting levels. ---
**Author:** ![jneapan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/wanikanicommunity/user_avatar/community.wanikani.com/jneapan/32/3868_2.png) [@jneapan](https://community.wanikani.com/u/jneapan)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2020, 1:25pm UTC](https://community.wanikani.com/t/levels-beyond-60/41149/4 "2020-01-03T13:25:30Z")
They did add 10 levels some time ago (max used to be 50). I wouldn’t rule out them doing it again. If I remember correctly they wanted to add more vocab for kanji of levels 50-60 so if they add more levels it’s definitely not soon. ---
**Author:** ![zvandervort](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/wanikanicommunity/user_avatar/community.wanikani.com/zvandervort/32/281040_2.png) [@zvandervort](https://community.wanikani.com/u/zvandervort)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2020, 2:30pm UTC](https://community.wanikani.com/t/levels-beyond-60/41149/5 "2020-01-03T14:30:27Z")
It would be kinda fun to be able to get up to N1 level vocab/kanji with WK. I think the general consensus among high-level Japanese learners, though, is that anything above about 2,000 kanji you just learn as-needed when you run into them. ---
**Author:** ![Leebo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/wanikanicommunity/user_avatar/community.wanikani.com/leebo/32/439476_2.png) [@Leebo](https://community.wanikani.com/u/Leebo)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2020, 3:25pm UTC](https://community.wanikani.com/t/levels-beyond-60/41149/6 "2020-01-03T15:25:19Z")
Yeah, you’d get more bang for your buck from more words as opposed to more kanji. Even the missing jouyou kanji are mostly not very commonly used. ---
**Author:** ![sansarret](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/wanikanicommunity/user_avatar/community.wanikani.com/sansarret/32/370654_2.png) [@sansarret](https://community.wanikani.com/u/sansarret)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2020, 6:55pm UTC](https://community.wanikani.com/t/levels-beyond-60/41149/7 "2020-01-03T18:55:02Z")
Just want to mention that they still have lifetime sale for $199 which is the same as 22 months at monthly rate. The fastest time to reach level 60 is about a year, and it requires either previous knowledge of the language or full time engagement. Most of users take more than 2 years to get thru all kanjis at this website. ---
**Author:** ![Saimin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/wanikanicommunity/user_avatar/community.wanikani.com/saimin/32/268794_2.png) [@Saimin](https://community.wanikani.com/u/Saimin)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2020, 10:43pm UTC](https://community.wanikani.com/t/levels-beyond-60/41149/8 "2020-01-03T22:43:59Z")
![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/wanikanicommunity/original/4X/0/1/a/01a90a8be7c8c7c5cea0b61a43dbc9ce534444da.jpeg) based on someone else’s meme that i can’t find anymore, RIP As others have said, once you’re level 60 on WK, you can just learn Kanji as you encounter them in texts, for example using Anki or another SRS. People actually made “fake levels” up to 70, but even without these, there are more than enough resources for extra kanji to learn besides the WK/Joyo kanji. > [@Kanji beyond WaniKani (esp. 常用 and 人名用) plus more \[Spreadsheet, Anki and Memrise\]](https://community.wanikani.com/t/kanji-beyond-wanikani-esp-%E5%B8%B8%E7%94%A8-and-%E4%BA%BA%E5%90%8D%E7%94%A8-plus-more-spreadsheet-anki-and-memrise/17343): > > You might also see [Kanji-in-the-wild learning pattern (outside WaniKani)](https://community.wanikani.com/t/kanji-in-the-wild-learning-pattern-outside-wanikani/19323) Memrise is Kanji course only. Please study vocab yourself. So, I made 20 more levels for Kanji I planned to learn after WaniKani level 60. It is just that I like Kanji learning and can do it well… unlike grammar. Furthermore, I can learn vocab better when I learn it along with Kanji. Also, drawing Kanji keeps me awake. ###Kanji lists (updated 13/6/2017), with personally chosen EMPHASIS Level 61-69: 常用漢字 and Kanji in… ---
**Author:** ![kewms](https://cdck-file-uploads-global.s3.dualstack.us-west-2.amazonaws.com/wanikanicommunity/original/3X/f/d/fd4c154120954695f788402f3bcf4e616499bc2d.png) [@kewms](https://community.wanikani.com/u/kewms)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2020, 5:06am UTC](https://community.wanikani.com/t/levels-beyond-60/41149/9 "2020-01-04T05:06:04Z")
Do you want to learn kanji, or do you want to learn Japanese? Seems to me that “finishing” WaniKani should be a sign that it’s time to work on the other aspects of Japanese. ---
**Author:** ![BebopReed](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/wanikanicommunity/user_avatar/community.wanikani.com/bebopreed/32/283723_2.png) [@BebopReed](https://community.wanikani.com/u/BebopReed)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2020, 5:31am UTC](https://community.wanikani.com/t/levels-beyond-60/41149/10 "2020-01-04T05:31:15Z")
I use several other resources to learn Japanese already. I’m just trying to gauge the value of spending $200 on WaniKani. I’ll be moving to Japan in about eight months and living there for about a year. I like to look at the long-term value of all of my purchases. At first I thought I would just stick to monthly since I’ll be in Japan in about eight months - why would I need this if I’m in Japan, right? But then I spoke to some people who have done what I’m doing and they say it can be very difficult to get the opportunities to practice Japanese while working out there, especially in this field. That’s when I started to think it might be good to still have WaniKani for practice while I’m there for back-up practice in my off time. ---
**Author:** ![BebopReed](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/wanikanicommunity/user_avatar/community.wanikani.com/bebopreed/32/283723_2.png) [@BebopReed](https://community.wanikani.com/u/BebopReed)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2020, 5:32am UTC](https://community.wanikani.com/t/levels-beyond-60/41149/11 "2020-01-04T05:32:06Z")
Thanks! That’s very useful information. ---
**Author:** ![BebopReed](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/wanikanicommunity/user_avatar/community.wanikani.com/bebopreed/32/283723_2.png) [@BebopReed](https://community.wanikani.com/u/BebopReed)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2020, 5:33am UTC](https://community.wanikani.com/t/levels-beyond-60/41149/12 "2020-01-04T05:33:26Z")
Thanks! You answered my query perfectly. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![BebopReed](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/wanikanicommunity/user_avatar/community.wanikani.com/bebopreed/32/283723_2.png) [@BebopReed](https://community.wanikani.com/u/BebopReed)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2020, 5:40am UTC](https://community.wanikani.com/t/levels-beyond-60/41149/13 "2020-01-04T05:40:09Z")
Thank you to everyone for your input! This has helped me a lot in my decision making process. 😄 ---
**Author:** ![kewms](https://cdck-file-uploads-global.s3.dualstack.us-west-2.amazonaws.com/wanikanicommunity/original/3X/f/d/fd4c154120954695f788402f3bcf4e616499bc2d.png) [@kewms](https://community.wanikani.com/u/kewms)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2020, 6:40am UTC](https://community.wanikani.com/t/levels-beyond-60/41149/14 "2020-01-04T06:40:50Z")
In my opinion, the lifetime membership is a pretty good deal. As someone else pointed out, most people need more than two years to get through all 60 levels. With a lifetime membership, even if you completely abandon the site for six months, it doesn’t cost anything to come back. ---
**Author:** ![Saimin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/wanikanicommunity/user_avatar/community.wanikani.com/saimin/32/268794_2.png) [@Saimin](https://community.wanikani.com/u/Saimin)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2020, 9:39am UTC](https://community.wanikani.com/t/levels-beyond-60/41149/15 "2020-01-04T09:39:56Z")
exactly. i mean, you can get through WK in about a year if you always do your critical reviews on time and spend several hours each day doing lessons and reviews, but it’s tough. Also by the way WK teaches over 6000 vocabulary items. It doesn’t get boring anytime soon. (at least from level 8 or so, where you start to get over a hundred reviews per day at max speed) If you want to learn Japanese and you like WK and can afford it, it’s a no-brainer in my opinion. The only real alternative is RTK (or RRTK with MIA), but it requires an extreme amount of initiative and motivation, and you learn 1000 or 2000 kanji keywords before learning your first readings and vocabulary. Most people give up on it. ---
**Author:** ![EndOfTheGlory](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/wanikanicommunity/user_avatar/community.wanikani.com/endoftheglory/32/259105_2.png) [@EndOfTheGlory](https://community.wanikani.com/u/EndOfTheGlory)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2020, 10:21am UTC](https://community.wanikani.com/t/levels-beyond-60/41149/16 "2020-01-04T10:21:47Z")
I wonder, are 60 levels of WK enough for everyday manga or something light reading and hearing?Or is it still not enough to normally grasp the japanese? ---
**Author:** ![Saimin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/wanikanicommunity/user_avatar/community.wanikani.com/saimin/32/268794_2.png) [@Saimin](https://community.wanikani.com/u/Saimin)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2020, 10:29am UTC](https://community.wanikani.com/t/levels-beyond-60/41149/17 "2020-01-04T10:29:07Z")
I’m pretty sure it’s as close to enough as you’ll get. You’ll always have a few Kanji and words you need to look up, but those will become much rarer. WK is basically the Joyo kanji which is what japanese people learn in school. Outside of that, they also learn new Kanji as needed. [wkstats.com](https://www.wkstats.com/#charts.joyo) says WK level 60 covers about 92% of Joyo Kanji. The rest are probably mostly name Kanji and Kanji in the Japanese constitution. ([government documents may only use the Joyo Kanji](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J%C5%8Dy%C5%8D_kanji)) ---
**Author:** ![Belthazar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/wanikanicommunity/user_avatar/community.wanikani.com/belthazar/32/4469_2.png) [@Belthazar](https://community.wanikani.com/u/Belthazar)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2020, 10:33am UTC](https://community.wanikani.com/t/levels-beyond-60/41149/18 "2020-01-04T10:33:25Z")
> [@Saimin](#): > > The rest are probably mostly name Kanji and Kanji in the Japanese constitution. Yeah. There’s [fifty-seven](https://community.wanikani.com/t/does-wanikani-have-any-%E4%BA%BA%E5%90%8D%E7%94%A8jinmeiyou-kanji/37191/5) jinmeiyo kanji taught by WaniKani. Some of the inclusions are… curious. ---
**Author:** ![EndOfTheGlory](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/wanikanicommunity/user_avatar/community.wanikani.com/endoftheglory/32/259105_2.png) [@EndOfTheGlory](https://community.wanikani.com/u/EndOfTheGlory)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2020, 11:33am UTC](https://community.wanikani.com/t/levels-beyond-60/41149/19 "2020-01-04T11:33:21Z")
What does ‘G’ denote in the stats?The year of middle school or something?It’s said that G9 is the end of the middle school =\> the high schoolers don’t learn kanji anymore? ---
**Author:** ![Saimin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/wanikanicommunity/user_avatar/community.wanikani.com/saimin/32/268794_2.png) [@Saimin](https://community.wanikani.com/u/Saimin)\ **Post date:** [January 4, 2020, 11:35am UTC](https://community.wanikani.com/t/levels-beyond-60/41149/20 "2020-01-04T11:35:59Z")
Yes. I mean, it makes sense to be able to read and write almost everything by high school, right? > **[Kanji | Kanji education](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kanji#Kanji_education)** > > Japanese schoolchildren are expected to learn 1,026 basic kanji characters, the kyōiku kanji, before finishing the sixth grade. The order in which these characters are learned is fixed. The kyōiku kanji list is a subset of a larger list, originally of 1,945 kanji characters and extended to 2,136 in 2010, known as the jōyō kanji—characters required for the level of fluency necessary to read newspapers and literature in Japanese. This larger list of characters is to be mastered by the end of the ni... Again, they probably learn a few more name kanji and other kanji relevant to their subjects and reading as they go and as needed, as we do when we finish WK level 60. [Next page](https://community.wanikani.com/t/levels-beyond-60/41149.md?page=2)