Learning through Translating: ブラックジャックによろしく episode 4: 夏雲

Good, it’s ok to have different opinions about different things without having to prove someone right or wrong, isn’t it?



:speech_balloon:This is something an amateur would say!


そういう: such, like that, that sort of…
閉ざす: to shut, to close;
未来【みらい】the future;
医療【いりょう】medical care, medical treatment;

☆ What is the purpose of っぱい here after 安? Unless it’s っい? It’s hard to say as it’s pretty blurry.

By the way I was reading more about んだ because I’m still unclear about it.

This website says the following:

Would you say that’s accurate? I mean here, what is the speaker determined to do strongly? Unless he means to express his own determination. But determination about what? I think he’s making a statement about amateur doctors and the future of medical finances, doesn’t seem to apply here.

This definition :top: is the one we’ve talked about before. It’s from JMDict this one.

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this page talks about it too… but used with nouns, which isn’t the case here (that is why I deleted it first)

…however, after looking at several pages, it seems that やすっぽい is indeed a rather special; all others seem indeed to be attached to a noun.

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Hey why did you delete that? It was a useful link to have around. Thanks anyways, got time to access it before you deleted it.

Nevermind it’s back. You can write in Japanese if you want, I don’t think it’s a problem.

Ah yeah! Typo on my part.
:speech_balloon:That type of cheap doctor who closes the future of medical care finances
I would imagine “close” isn’t the right term exactly here. The other definitions for 閉ざす are:

ⓐ to shut, to close, to lock, to fasten
ⓑ to block (e.g. the way), to shut off, to shut in
ⓒ to plunge (in grief)

So maybe something akin to ©?

Regarding the loan words, I see a difference between パソコン and ページ.

It’s not a subordinate clause, so I wouldn’t put the “who”.
=> “That type of cheap doctor closes …”
or even (because of んだ) => “That is the type of cheap doctor that closes …”

( そういう安っぽい医者 is the subject of 閉ざす I think )

Or maybe, “You are the type of cheap doctor that closes…”



:speech_balloon: “If that’s the case, it’s strange to be a doctor!”


:speech_balloon: *Doctors by doing meaningless surgeries have put pressure on the healthcare finances…”

☆New Vocabulary☆
だったら: if that’s the case;



:speech_balloon: “It’s the teacher’s instruction.”


:speech_balloon: “It’s not my intention”



:speech_balloon: “This is dishonest!”
ズルイ: dishonest;

:thought_balloon: ズルイ is written in katakana which makes me think it could be a loan word. I would’ve liked to find the etymology of the word to find out the language of origin. BUT the word is written in hiragana in my dictionary so it could be written in katakana for style.


:speech_balloon: “If the instructions told you to eat shit…”

:thought_balloon: Ok so I’d want confirmation on this as it seems out of character or unexpected as a thing to say.



:speech_balloon: “That’s a dark resolution”
☆New Vocabulary☆

ⓐ dark, gloomy, murky
ⓑ depressed, dispirited, down in the dumps, dark (mood)
ⓒ dark (in colour), dull
ⓓ ill-boding, dark (e.g. past), suspicious
ⓔ unlikely (to succeed), hopeless, unpromising
ⓕ unfamiliar (with), ignorant (of)



☆New Vocabulary☆
将来【しょうらい】future (near), prospects;

:thought_balloon: this one puzzles me a bit as “future” and “prospects” are pretty different words.

Weblio provides a fairly different definition: forward, forth, onward;
Usually, I bet on Weblio’s definitions.

必ず【かならず】unquestionably, definitely; (from Weblio);

I’m not sure about my interpretation of this. He’s talking about himself and then “that university’s professor”. I’m not sure what 必ず is modifying, なる?

:speech_balloon: “I will definitely become one of that university’s teacher in the future”
But isn’t he already a professor for that university?



:mag_right: Analysis:

:writing_hand: To become a professor to start with is the topic of the sentence.
:writing_hand: この大学 (that university) is the direct object of 『を』
:writing_hand: The verb of the sentence is 変える: v. transitive, “to change”;

Is it:
:speech_balloon: “To become a professor in the first place, change this university”
:speech_balloon: “In the first place, when you become a professor, change this university”

I’m not sure how to apply まず in this sentence. The syntax still throws me off sometimes.

Since I love languages so much and their complexity, let’s explore dictionaries further since everyone else is sleeping :sleeping:.

More about dictionaries

Shirabe Jisho:

Very basic but contains the important stuff. Tells me it’s a “common word” in the upper right, part of speech (noun), that it’s a 〜する verb and I can click on the speaker icon to have someone (computer generated) voice say it in Japanese.


As you can see, it’s more complete but also has some advertisement which is a major minus.

You have the search bar at the very top;


Main meaning;
② is the reading (I don’t know what the little 2 is for there though);
③ I find really cool, it’s example of that noun in its 〜する form;


The use of katakana is for style probably.

The grammar is a bit tricky however…

そんな の ずるい です よ

I wonder if it isn’t そんな の ずるい (with the subject tag omitted) : such (thing) is dishonest.
With です added to the i-adjective for politeness.

ウンコ食え … it seems out of character

Indeed; note also the verb is くう (in imperative form: くえ) and not たべる.
Saitou-kun has also completely broken the social conventions on distance at the first image of that page (that surprised me quite a lot actually).

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Apparently not…
The Japanese Wikipedia page about the manga says about 春日部一郎 : “…第一外科の教授”;
but about 白鳥貴久 : “…第一外科の医師

One is a professor (I suppose, one having a chair; note that weblio in Japanese defines 教授 as 准教授講師の上位。 (superior of an associate professor or lecturer)), and the other doctor in medicine.


Mmmm, the meaning may be uglier than you think…

くらい can be 暗い; but an adjective won’t link with の
As it is そくらい覚悟 くらい is, I think, a noun.

  • くらい (位), extent, approximately (as in どのぐらい, how much); そのくらい = that much
  • くらい (喰らい) 連用形 of くらう (vulgar form of to eat) ; その喰らい = that eating

覚悟 is resolution, and also readiness.
So “I am ready to such extent”, or “I am ready to that eating”
As a reply to 教授がウンコ食えって言ったら …

about dictionaries :

(I don’t know what the little 2 is for there though);

I think it is the pitch accent model (but while I like weblio, I haven’t found out an explanation of their abbreviations yet)

… ああぁ見つけたよ!
Here is the explanations of all abbreviations and the presentation of entries in weblio that come from sanseidou (三省堂) dictionary.
Other that part of speech, meaning, etc. it also provides pitch accent information, and old spelling (and old verb classification for verbs).

For example:

きょう じゅ けう- 【教授】

けうじゅ was the old, pre-reform, kana spelling

And it also lists kanji (with ON readings and meanings, as well as old and variant shapes);
eg for 国


【 国(國)】 [音] コク
… 〔「圀」は異体字

(gives traditional form 國; and a variant form 圀 )

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I like the way you’re thinking haha. くらい in kana usually is the first definition, but funny coincidence that its homophone also kind of works out here. そのくらいの覚悟だ -> “that’s how far I am ready to go” (like “if that’s what it takes…”).

Good job finding the pitch accent thing! Here’s a visual guide with some examples.

Indeed, and without the 食え before, I wouldn’t have thought about 食らう either;
it would be interesting to see what the official English translation is.

Good job finding the pitch accent thing! Here’s a visual guide with some examples.

But the pitch pattern of a word is different when put in a phrase…
Do you know some site that explain how that works ?

No clue, sorry; I’ve only “studied” pitch accent by shadowing so I don’t know any good sources that focus just on pitch accent alone. Dogen’s video lessons are apparently very useful, but most of them are on Patreon so they’re not free.



I'll become a professor, and at first I'll change this university

(that sentence had been claimed by Zizka; but I put it here also as it makes a whole thing with the following ones)


I'll change the hospitals in connection with Eiroku University all around the country...

全国 (ぜんこく) : whole country
関連 (かんれん) : connection, relation; so I suppose 永大の関連病院 are the hospitals in relation with Eiroku University; and 全国にある (existing all around the country) is an attribute of such hospitals


Then I'll change the medical care of Japan!

医療 (いりょう) : medical care
変える (かえる) : to change (1-dan, transitive)

… kind of a bit megalomaniac goals, ね?

The little calendars are still there in the first “wiki” messages; for example the one from April 29th
(under “Links to the manga online, previous reading exercises”)

As there isn’t anymore a per-day thread it will be difficult to keep track of that; but maybe we could record the date each new episode is started.

Here 先生 sensei is a way to say “you” I think (addressing the interlocutor by his title) and not to talk about doctors in general.

Episode 1: April 5th to April 20th: 16 days
Episode 2: April 20th to 28th: 9 days
Episode 3: April 29th to May 4th: 7 days
Episode 4: May 4th to May 16th: 11 days

But I’m not sure, E1 and E2 are easy to track down but E3 and E4 are harder.

I also wanted to have the number of pages for each episode as this tends to vary quite a bit. 9 days must mean E2 must’ve been a lot shorter as we were beginning back then.

Episode 3 was until May 7th I think,
as Episode 4 started May 7th

We could maybe keep some statistics (date of start/end, number of pages and “claims” (the letters/numbers)

Something like that (to copy to Ep1 home if it’s OK)

some stats on Ep.1

Exercises started: 2020年4月5日
Exercises finished: 2020年4月20日 (16日かかった)
Number of pages: 58頁
Number of analyses: 155
Number of participants: 5人

(I’m not sure about the number of participants, but I’m too lazy to actually check)
What would be the counter for an answer/analysis ?

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Yes, I’ll create a statistics tab in the first message.

At the moment I can’t access sukima so I can’t write the number of pages but once I can I will do so.

Episode 1: 60 pages; 16 日
Episode 2: 26 pages; 9 日
Episode 3: 24 pages; 10 日
Episode 4: 34 pages; …
We do about 2 and 1/2 pages a day.

☆ So I thought we were going a lot faster but in fact E1 was 60 pages so it explains why it took us so long.

I haven’t done much more than @ayamedori either, so I’m not sure if I’m qualified to advise anyone, but I’d actually like to hear what this really means. What have you heard? Do you have some examples of how the pitch pattern of a word changes in a phrase? So far, I’ve been following the patterns given by the 大辞林 dictionary, and I don’t notice any changes when I compare my interpretation with how I’ve heard Japanese people pronounce these words in sentences. It would be nice if everyone could share what some of the pitch pattern changes apparently are.

What I will try to do in order to help though… is post a few links:

  • On Reddit, there’s a thread on which someone posted a fairly informative explanation. You can also check out Wikipedia, which discusses the pitch accent.
  • This site from the University of Tokyo will automatically give you the pronunciation of a sentence in a standard Tokyo accent. Again though, like I’ve said, I don’t really see the changes people talk about when I enter stuff in here. Also, while I strongly believe that this accent engine was created using reliable data, some of the pitch accent distinctions given by the engine don’t seem to exist in standard Japanese, so the data could be based on different standards or perhaps historical records. One example: 寄生虫 and 帰省中 are pronounced differently according to the engine, but a search of Japanese videos from NHK showed me that they’re pronounced exactly the same. Perhaps the pitch accent pattern has changed. The most updated resource is probably the NHK pronouncing dictionary, but that costs money.
  • This course from Waseda University apparently does a good job explaining pitch accent. I haven’t tried it, but Waseda is pretty prestigious and international, so I wouldn’t be surprised.

That’s all from me. Hope to hear what everyone has heard about those ‘pitch accent changes’.