Kanji deck after level 60?

Hello everyone, I’ve been level 60 for a while now, trying to burn everything, but it feels to me like I’ve been slouching.

Yes, I did read some novels in JP using the help of a dictionary, but I am still extremely slow and I have to pause to look up simple words, even when I’ve come across them 3 pages before.

I’ve recently started reading ノルウェイの森 with a friend who’s way more experience than I am, and it feels kinda strange.

This is my first “serious” book in JP (aka not a light novel or a manga) and, while I can steamroll through some pages in a minute, there are also some that take me 15/20 minutes to parse—not because of the grammar, which is admittedly quite straightforward, but because of all the kanji I don’t yet know.

And this prompts me to ask, other than making my own deck with all the words I come across (or at least the ones Jisho marks as “common”), is there any premade deck that you would recommend? Making my own is satisfying but way too time consuming, and having to choose which pronunciations/readings to put on the card can be quite difficult.

I remember when I tried to start learning and failed ages ago, people were recommending the core decks, but I’m not sure if those are still the best ones…

Thanks in advance!

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Premade decks lose their usefulness around this stage and I would recommend just making the flash cards if it’s words you feel you need but can’t guess because of the context, but honesty I don’t like using flashcards because it takes away from my reading time (WK and Renshuu I can fit into my commute/work day, aka time I can’t read or watch Japanese stuff).

This article gave me a lot of insight about how to approach reading.

If it’s your reading speed that you feel is the issue (lack of knowledge or general pace) the more reading you do, the better you will get at it naturally. There is no secret Anki deck that will unlock that for you.

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I’ve always considered using a deck for the remaining kanji, but by the time I got to level 60 I already knew so many kanji not on WK that I passively learned that I figured it’d be more effort than it was worth.

Aside from specialised fields, I don’t really come across kanji I don’t know in large enough quantities to be a huge issue. Most of the time it’ll be an obscure kanji I can ignore, or it’ll be an alternative kanji used in a word I already know so it’s easy to learn (or it’ll be something like 煎, which as a fan of Japanese tea is one I see a ton).

If you want to be a kanji completionist then there are decks available, but I’d say it’s more useful to focus on just vocab (imo).

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Or even more specifically vocab that you actually run into in the wild.

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IMO, it’s probably worth learning the remaining Joyo Kanji, but vocabularies reinforcing those Kanji should be the ones you have already seen.

Say, go through a mining stage, and remember well, until there is no reason at actively mine anymore. Honestly, it’s possible to guess vocabulary meaning from Kanji as well; also many Kanji might not need to be learned formally.

This is also true for previously-learned Kanji, up to Level 60.

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Honestly, there are so many kanji out there that aren’t in WK, I think at this point, you’re better off learning the ones you come across individually. You could go through a premade deck with hundreds of kanji and still not learn the ones you specifically need for your reading.

As far as specific readings to choose for your cards, what I’ve been doing is putting all of the readings on my kanji cards, but focusing on memorizing the specific reading I saw in the word. I’ll put that one in red text instead of black so that I know which one I’m quizzing myself on.

With 昏, I learned it first in 黄昏(たそが)れる, which is an exceptional reading, so I didn’t really know which kanji reading I should try to memorize, if any of them, but I switched to focusing on the on reading when I saw that kanji again in 昏倒(こんとう). I figure if all else fails, memorizing one reading will at least help me type it when I need to look up an unknown word containing it. I don’t think it’s a huge deal if you choose one reading and then change your mind on it later.

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Hey,
Only level 4, but I also looked at the possibilities.
Currently (fairly new) there is an option to add custom decks to wanikani. You can even import anki decks .

I also saw that the wonderfull community out here made several lists. One is an anki course containing several “extra chapters” with kanji we haven’t seen. Another helpfull resource are lists of most common vocab per JLPT level.

If you like anki you can work on those levels in anki. But you can also import them straight into wanikani through the “deck” option.

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I actually wrote this just before going to bed and I realized I should have probably written “vocab and kanji” rather than just “kanji.”

With that said, however, it looks like my current method of making cards for most new words I come across is what you all deem the best approach, so I’ll continue with that, although it gets quite time-consuming when reading a paper book rather than an ebook :smiling_face_with_tear:

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jpdb.io might be worth checking out. They have premade decks for individual books and light novels, and they also happen to have one for ノルウェイの森. Once you mark all the words you know already as „Known“, it should be quite comfortable to review or even pre-learn words before you come across them, to make reading on paper easier.

My other recommendation would be to choose e-books over paperback wherever possible, because looking up unknown kanji is a pain, especially if it happens frequently. I know that’s not always an option, but ノルウェイの森 does have an ebook version (I own it on BookWalker). If you feel the paperback lookups are causing you too much pain / slowdown, thinking about buying the ebook alongside might be worth it.

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@Myria beat me to it, but I also recommend checking out jpdb to SRS the words of the book. It also makes reading a bit of a smoother experience if you prelearn some words. With your vocab level I would only recommend studying words with frequency 3 or over, so it doesn’t become too overwhelming. You can check the rest while reading or not worry too much them if they are not integral to understanding. Extensive over intensive and all that jazz.

Personally found this method very effective to increase my vocab and reading speed.

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Thanks for that!

I knew I was not imagining things!

I remember bookmarking JPDB at some point but I had completely forgotten about its existence until now…
It didn’t help that looking up ノルウェイの森 kanji deck or any variation didn’t turn up many results on Google.
Shame you can’t export decks to anki, but I’ve been trying it for a couple of days and it seems fine. It helps me put into perspective how much vocabulary in a book I still need to learn :slight_smile:

As for ebooks, I’ve actually only ever read eBooks, this is the first physical book I’ve ever bought in Japanese (at least for the specific purpose of reading it).
Honestly though, even reading them on bookwalker, the process to be able to look up a word (highlighting it, fiddling around with the cursor going all over the place, and the android app crashing/freezing every 3/4 lookups) is such a pain that I was trying to look for alternatives. I was hoping a physical book + Google or deepl OCR would be faster, but it turns out the time it takes me to look up a word is roughly the same.

The best ideal solution would be to get a normal ebook through Amazon JP, but I don’t have a JP address nor a JP card to be able to do that, so I’ll have to make do :slight_smile:

Back to reading I go. Thanks again!

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