Oh yeah, I definitely agree. I don’t think the team has been transparent enough with EtoEto. However, at this point, it won’t matter to me since I won’t use it 
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Guys, my site will have 3000 kanji, 1000 grammar, 20000 vocabulary, and you will guest star in your favorite anime series.
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Haha! As a developer though I understand why WK is still on 1.3.7 (IIRC). If it ain’t broke don’t fix it, and if its broken a little be very careful about fixing it or you might make it worse.
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Throws money at Leebo
not effective
too poor
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What will I do with all the tentacles though?
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wanikani uses the same characters over and over for mnemonics. every time you have a lesson with Hard gay in it for example, the kanji will most likely be pronounced せい 。This makes it a lot easier to remember. where as Kaitenji seems to have its mnemonics made by the community. so you you will have all kind of mnemonic confusion, when it comes to memorizing pronunciation. every single word/sentence/kanji on wanikani is looked over and is always being refined and combed over, there might be a few mistakes here and there but they get corrected by the wanikani team.I can understand why wanikani hasn’t added any new Kanji recently because there refining the kanji and making it as polished as possible. Wanikani is simply quality amplified over time.
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I like WK’s mnemonics being default/standard, which means there is always something to play off of, but it would be cool to see or replace them with community mnemonics if so desired. There are threads here dedicated to that, but they are rather haphazard.
I also like the option to add your own items, but I don’t think it’s a killer app since you can always just use a different service for other flashcards.
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They just got the database working? That’s disconcerting. It sounds like they’re not even close to complete if they’re just now assembling their storage system.
“basic SRS beta” also sounds like…just WaniKani.
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Hopefully they’ll be providing their own set of mnemonics as well because you can have community-generated mnemonics without a customer base. Although it sounds nice, it’s going to be a lot of work. I know that I, for one, will definitely not pay money for a service that I have to contribute to their bottom-line by having to compose mnemonics for them.
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Or they didn’t make any progress at all…
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Nevertheless, SRS (the way people use it) won’t save you from Grammar. Ask Bunpro users if they really know the stuff they learned there.
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I’m in to deep to in WK to use this probably, but maybe if they manage to get their act together they’ll spur the WK team to finally let us add our own vocab and kanji to the system.
Yes I know I can use Anki or HouHou or whatever, but WK is clean and has a great back-end (also app accessible) that I would like to work off 
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As someone who has “failed” several times in finding the right way of learning japanese, I think that what really matters is not the technology (scripts, customizations, apps talking to you in your sleep, etc.), but the content. I’ve tried countless flash-card systems, but they either dump too much information on you, like five different readings of a kanji at the same time, or they require you to tweak/import/customize, which is doing a lot of work that’s not fun and unrelated to learning Japanese.
What separates WK from all other resources out there is a curated selection of radicals, kanji, reading, and words, that are progressively laid out without overwhelming the user. For what I care, WK could be a printed book with exercise sheets, and it would still be superior to most resources out there.
That’s why, I don’t care so much about a demo of a service displaying the technology. What I will judge them on is only the content.
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I don’t see how this is related to etoeto’s progress (or lack thereof).
As for grammar and SRS, I think it can help. SRS won’t teach you the nuances of grammar (for that you definitely need a good book and a lot of exeercise and natives to ask advice to), but it definitely will help to memorise the words/phrases once you know how to use it. Bunpro includes links to articles and grammar books pages, you are supposed to read that stuff not just blindly do the reviews.
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I think I know very well how Bunpro works mate 
Been on their thread from day 1.
Well, I meant to connect it this new product,since there’s how the original talk about EtoEto started.
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Just curious – what are you basing this on? Has there been some type of study on the effectiveness of SRS for learning grammar?
Grammar is a struggle for me so I’m genuinely interested in learning how to improve the way I study it.
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I’m not really denying SRS. It’s that I think the current method of applying SRS to grammar is not good enough. It doesn’t allow you to see the nuances of grammar, because you’re not tested on that. But in real life, you don’t build the sentence just from applying the grammar term. You need to know its nuance, you need to know how particles are supposed to work, etc. Even within the same grammar point, it can be confusing. The particle に can indicate both the doer or the receiver of the action in the passive voice. How do you test your recognition to identify when it goes with the doer or the receiver when you’re only being tested on conjugation?
SRS can work with grammar, but you need to test these things out too, not just the straightforward “EN meaning” => “JP grammar point”. Bunpro is trying to revolutionize this, but I got to a point where I wasn’t even reading the sentences because I didn’t need to. All I needed was the hint and booom, 90%+ correct reviews all the time.
To sum up, SRS can work with grammar, we’re just doing it wrong.
My 2c of course
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That makes sense. I’ve definitely bumped into some of the drawbacks you’ve outlined here with Bunpro and other tools. Thanks for the insight.
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