Japanese Sentence a Day Challenge

Japanese Language
#4523

美しい信長の？

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美しい信長よ！

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そう、名前があるよ :joy:
ＪＫの名前は<大野>[おおの]ひさきだ。
ＤＫの名前は <伊東>[いとう]はじめだ。

ひさきの名前は時々使われているけど、はじめの名前は全然使われていない。むしろはじめより徳川家康とよんでいる。

I pulled 次の月曜日 off Hinative, but the questions there tend to be entirely devoid of context so they might not always be the most natural options.

I think Monday might just be an example where it doesn’t really matter which you use since next Monday is always next week’s Monday (unless you’re a monster and you start your weeks on Sunday), but for other days it makes a lot of sense to make a distinction. After all, on Monday, 次の火曜日 and 来週の火曜日 are a week apart.

The way I understand them, つもり is about what you plan to do, while ことにする (or rather just にする - no idea why these are treated as two separate things) is about what you decide to do.

So there are situations where you could use both - if you decide to go somewhere tomorrow, you can say 明日は行くつもりだ or 明日は行くことにする. I feel like つもり emphasises the plan itself, and にする emphasises the decision you made.

However, にする is always about decisions you made, as I understand it, so if someone else made plans for you, you wouldn’t use it.

And likewise, when something isn’t so much about something you have planned but more just about a decision you make, it would feel a bit weird to use つもり. You could say 魚を食べるつもりだ in a restaurant, but 魚にする feels a lot more natural to me for saying you’ll have the fish.

In this particular situation, I think つもり might be a bit more natural, since the key element here (as I see it) is not the decision to go to the airport, but rather that going to the airport was planned at all, regardless of who made that decision.

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#4524

昨日、星座を習いました。英語の名前もうしていますでもみんなが日本語の名前教えてくれました。

#4525

最近からもっと勉強するようになってAnkiとTobira（この教科書のおかげで少し上手になったと思う）ばかりか、Duolingoを始めたばかりだ。しかし、WaniKaniをやめて休みモードをつけた。僕にとってWaniKaniに比べてAnkiの方が可変だから、とても便利だよ。

そう言っても、もちろん、WaniKaniのコミュニティに参加するのは楽しいし、多くの仲間もできた。:slight_smile:

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#4526

初めまして！ 今日から、ここで文を投稿します。とりあえず、短い文を書きますが、将来もっと長い文を書きたいです。よろしくお願いします！

Hopefully that was comprehensible. I’ve delayed output for much too long, so I’m wanting to take my first baby steps into output. This seems like a decent place to start! Feedback is always welcome!

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#4527

おめでとうございます！書(か)きましょう！

Looks good to me :slight_smile: I’m sure you’ll be writing longer and longer sentences in no time!

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#4528

Protip: for longer sentences, just replace all punctionation with 〜て/で :smile:

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Protip 2 - tip pro-er: I give bad advice

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#4529

It was! :ok_hand:
The only thing I would change is ここで to ここに, since you’re 投稿する to somewhere specific.

こちらこそ、宜しくお願いします！ :slight_smile:

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#4530

で vs に has been the particle pair I struggle with the most, I feel. I never really know when it feels to right to use one versus the other. :laughing: Thank you for the feedback! :smiling_face_with_three_hearts:

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#4531

They each have a fair few use cases which overlap sometimes, mostly when referring to locations in relation to the verb.

As a general rule, で refers to where an action takes place, and に refers to what the destination is for an action.

So 公園に歩く = to walk to the park, whereas 公園で歩く is to walk in the park, basically.

This can sometimes get a bit confusing in translation: 東京で家を書いた and 東京に家を書いた both mean “I bought a house in Tokyo”, but with で the nuance is you bought a house while you were in Tokyo, whereas with に it’s the house that’s in Tokyo, but you might as well have been in Brazil when you bought it.

Does that help?

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#4532

初めまして。ヲードカトです。これは文です。 :durtle_stabby:

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#4533

That does help! At the very least, it feels like something clicked into place. Now to turn that into using them correctly from here on.

ありがとうございます！

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#4534

I think in this case 公園を歩く might work a little better for “walk in the park”, because walking and the park are still linked. With で, walking is independent from the park and the park becomes more of a background context.

I think it would be 東京にある家を買った。With に alone we still have only 1 verb. :slight_smile:

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#4535

Yeah, true. Bad example :smile:

Could be? It definitely feels more natural, I was thinking that as well, but I more or less lifted it from this StackExchange thread.

Maybe they’re just both bad examples :joy:

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#4536

You mean those with 中に and 中で? I’m not super confident with how to always use them, but in this case 中 does change things a little bit, I feel.

Edit: Note that I’m pulling stuff from my brain now. Would need to look for legit examples later :sweat_smile:

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#4537

今日PCでファイナルファンタジー４を遊び始める。日本語でゲームを始めて済まさないことが多いので、済ますといい。

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#4538

No, further below:

Note that there are cases where both で and に are possible, but the nuance is different:

  • 東京にアパートを借りた I rented an apartment in Tokyo (an apartment located in Tokyo)
  • 東京でアパートを借りた I rented an apartment in Tokyo (when I was in Tokyo)
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#4539

I did some extra searching for the 東京にアパート and came up with options which I think are a little clearer:
東京の賃貸アパート
東京の賃貸マンション

I would say that if it’s “an apartment in Tokyo” (and the reader/listener is not necessarily in Tokyo), 東京のアパート makes more sense. But I also don’t see any other response in the StackExchange thread to this and couldn’t find anything sensible with に :man_shrugging: .

何か書きたいと思うけど、元気じゃなくてコーヒーなども飲みすぎてしまった。T.T
できるだけ早く寝ねばならない気がする。
やっぱり今日は日本語が苦手になった感じだ。 :joy:

I loathe the 〜ねばならない grammar point. Can’t pronounce it properly sometimes. :joy:

Edit: 確かに didn’t sound right to me somehow…

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#4540

日本語で返事したいけど、僕の思いをちゃんと英語から日本語へ訳するのがとても難しいですよ。もちろん、訳したくありませんが、まだちょっと早いですね？まあ、いいですよ。今日は、この文が足ります。

For what I would have wanted to say in Japanese if I could get the thoughts to properly form in my head: If you are feeling ill, I hope you get well soon! If you just meant that you were low on energy, I hope you get some proper rest! Take care of yourself! (Though of course that message goes for if you are ill, too. :stuck_out_tongue: )

As for what I actually posted in Japanese:

Perhaps it’s best if I actually include an intended meaning? I’m not sure what the etiquette is!

Intended meaning:

“I’d love to respond in Japanese but translating my thoughts from English to Japanese is very difficult for me. Of course, I don’t want to translate (implied: so much as have the thoughts happen naturally), but it’s a bit early for that, isn’t it? Well, that’s okay. These sentences will suffice for today.”

The things I’m least sure about in how I phrased it:

  • I always worry I sound very stilted. For the time being, I’m trying to use mostly formal speech, but I don’t know if I just also sound really stiff and unnatural with my word choices, or if I’m just worrying about sounding stilted because it isn’t casual speech (which I have more practice input-wise thanks to what I read; hence why I figured I’d start with practicing output with more formal phrasings… I need to get that practice somewhere)
  • Is the location of that ちゃんと (just before the 英語) the proper (hah) place to put that? I almost feel like I should have put it in front of the 訳するの, but I don’t know for sure.
  • On that note, verbs being turned into nouns are something I’m not confident in. Did I do it right?
  • I bolded the second 訳す usage, because I wanted to emphasize that I don’t want to translate the thoughts so much as just have them, but I’m not really sure how I would express that nuance in Japanese. Even the way I phrased it in English sounds weird in my brain, but I think I’ve just spent too long thinking about this. Hopefully that indirect question makes sense. :stuck_out_tongue:
  • Finally, is 足りる or 間に合う a better use for “to suffice/to be sufficient” in this instance, you think? I wavered back and forth, and decided 足りる felt more natural, but I’m going purely by gut feeling on that one. I also floated 事足りる in my head, but I’m honestly at a loss which would be the best one.
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#4541

Thank you! :pray:
I think people mentioned this in another thread, but usually you can お大事に or 良くなってくださいね if you want to wish someone getting better. I think I should’ve clarified (with a translation, heh) that I actually meant just not feeling energetic with that 元気 :sweat_smile:

I don’t think there are any requirements or expectations :slight_smile: . Sometimes we include translations as that may help people figure things out.

I think you’re doing fine :grin: . It’s not like we’re all writing in keigo.

I would slap it in front of the verb for safety. There is also 訳す as a verb (to translate).

Yup :ok_hand: . の for general conversions, こと for more conceptual stuff and もの for more physical stuff.

I only ever saw 間に合う being used in reference to time expressions. There is also 十分 meaning “sufficient, enough” and I’ve heard it used in news reports. This is what Goo says about 足りる:

So it feels like they’re really synonyms.

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#4542

Nah, because you specifically mentioned coffee and needing to get sleep, I leaned towards the low energy translation. It’s my own overthinking that went, “Well, maybe they meant sick… Better cover my bases.” I don’t think a clarification is necessary just to sate overthinkers. :stuck_out_tongue:

訳す was actually what I intended to use when I wrote the sentence, and I think I just autopiloted the る onto there by mistake. Jisho tells me that there is a 訳する, but that’s it’s a “special” class verb… Not totally sure what that means, so I guess I know what I’m looking up for the next little bit. :stuck_out_tongue:

Thank you for the feedback! It really is appreciated! :grin:

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