Japanese Grammar App

Personally I see little value in SRSing grammar. It seems something that it’s much better grasped by just reading about it and then promply use it (reading).
In the end there’s a switch that it’s needed for learning any language, that’s start using it.

I did a similar post earlier this year

10 months later I went with --> bunpro --> Japanese the Manga Way —> Dictionary Of Basic Japanese Grammar —> CureDolly’s videos on Youtube …

All along I’ve been reading constantly… and in the end now I just review new grammar like any vocab, and try to keep reading, as this has been superior to any SRS, specially in learning the different ways any particular grammar point can be used.

So, this is the anwser I would give my self earlier this year :slightly_smiling_face:

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+1 for Bunpro - it links to Tae Kim, Imabi and other resources to go into grammar points further. Being able to “cram” on grammar points which are giving you trouble between reviews is handy too.

It’s SRS but don’t treat it exactly like you would WK - I recently made the mistake of unleashing as much grammar at once as I would lessons on WK and now my reviews are a gigantic leech farm. :smiley:

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I agree to a certain extent though I think reading is on the easier side of grammar understanding. I think the true test is real time conversation and then followed by writing. In this respect, I think SRS grammar does help (or least can give an honest assessment of weak areas). There are nuances and conjugations than may otherwise not get tested if one is just reading. That said, I think you make a great point to followup with grammar understanding with continued reading and if your successful with methods, to each their own :blush:

I tend to hoard grammar books and dictionaries which I still use often. A reason I settled on BP was the amount of example sentences per grammar point and a collective area to measure my understanding. I agree, for a grammar point to stick it really needs to be used.

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Thank you its a help indeed.

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thanks for sharing your Japanese journey, it is worth to me. my final aim is to be able to read Japanese books. I have started reading Kanji Learner’s Course Graded Reading Set. That book is connected with Genki, and as I am using the ebook its a bit difficult for me to carry around the Genki book always while I am using the ebook. by the way I indeed agree that reading is the best mean to contexualize any vocabulary or grammar and I will increase the share of reading as much as possible along with grammar lesson.

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If so, then totally go for it!! Current problem for me with SRS apps it’s time… eventually I got really efficient at including SRS apps in my daily activities, problem was that I tended to leave reading (an overall immersion) for the end of the day… at the dusk of my will for japanese learning, so it was easily delayed.

Now try icluding reading as the first japanese activity you do in the day (or at least a constant one) and gradually all the rest seems easier… vocab is much more familiar… grammar seems like something you are seeing constantly… and kanji … well, my readings are still those of primary school kids, so that’s still to be really tested.

Of course I’m mostly aiming at reading and watching shows now… no JLPT in my horizon and only in a couple months I’ll really need speaking (going to Japan), so take that into consideration when reading this :wink:

How come? you mean like terms more often used in spoken language? Or maybe something so obscure that you might study but then it’s nowhere to be found :open_mouth:

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Interesting. I just made an eerily similar post in another thread. Do you have any reading resources to recommend?

At what level of WaniKani do you suggest starting Bunpro or Genki or any other grammar studies? Do you need to have more of a Kanji and vocabulary base knowledge to start?

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Personally I started learning grammar right after I learned to read hiragana :slight_smile:
Tae Kim’s grammar guide is nice because it has vocab lists for all its example sentences
I think by level 5 you should be good though!

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I checked out Bunpro, and it looks interesting - currently, SRS learning seems to work well for me. I even accidentally found out that they offer Paypal payment, too - this makes this European student without a credit card rather happy :sweat_smile:

I’m taking a beginner’s class at university which at this point focuses mostly on basic conversation, and grammar is only an aside, but I feel like I should start to understand it as soon as possible. Classes won’t get easier in the future! I’m glad there’s a free Bunpro trial - I’m not really sure how learning grammar by SRS is supposed to work, but now I can find out how (and whether) it does. Thanks to everyone who recommended it!

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I think genki is good to go to as soon as you learn hiragana and katakana. After all, it is meant for the very beginning of a student’s journey. I would start bunpro after you know a few more kanji since it appears they use some from the very beginning. Maybe around level 7-10 if I remember correctly after resetting my account :sweat_smile: Other input would be great on this since my memory isn’t the best.

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Those are good examples. I think for me, the SRS helps bridge the gap after being able to read/comprehend a sentence and then execute it cleanly. For example, even with conversation partners and classes, I don’t have a great opportunity to practice keigo type sentences (though reading comprehension is not a problem) so BP has helped me with changing scenarios with various verbs to humble/honorific. Another example might be causitive-passive type sentences which are not exactly rare but i don’t always have a great excuse to use them often either. Again, reading is no problem but conjugating the verb correctly or fliping the sentence structure from caustive to causitive-passive (or switching the shorter version) takes some practice for me. Another example might be there are a million ways to structure “must/should”. Speaking, I have several favorites I like to use but there are subtle meaning differences and I want to be solid on all of them and at least for listening (BP helped me get a bit stronger on this front). I hear you when it comes to time so I suppose we have to be selective on how we use it.

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Bunpro lets you hover over the kanji-containing text to reveal the hiragana… or is it hovering over the hiragana text to reveal the kanji… anyway, it’s hover to reveal. :slight_smile:

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It can also show furigana across the board, and there’s the option to import one’s WK API key and only show furigana for kanji one hasn’t encountered. Pretty nifty! Also prevents me from being lazy and just reading the furigana when I’m not 100% sure :innocent:

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I’m a higher level than you and I’ve still got the furigana switched on. Already have enough trouble with remembering grammar, I don’t want the added difficulty of unlearnt kanji screwing me up too! :smiley:

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Understandable! I like that there’s a possibility to turn furigana on or off, depending on what one’s main focus is. I can see myself turning them back on when grammar gets more complicated so I can focus more on that. But as I only started out doing the first N5 lessons, having to watch out for the few kanji I know is not too overwhelming yet :sweat_smile:

Ohhh, yeah, totally true. I forgot about that one.

Learning keigo from reading alone indeed could mean delaying that considerably as compared to the rest of studies (considering texts written with keigo will most likely be aimed at adult audiences); but then again, I recently picked up a 国語 (japanese language) review textbook aimed at kids preparing the entry exam for middle school; so it’s more or less the same difficulty than the rest of stories I’m reading, as the target audience is the same :slightly_smiling_face:

That alone opened my eyes to keigo (in a very basic way though) been present in a lot of my shows (specially in office related enviroments or even more in military conflict related shows, where it’s quite clear how the difference in ranks affects the speech).

Anyway… I hope it’s not much of a derail. But following 国語 lectures (for example in NHK School and also in NHK Kokokoza) has been a great resource for grammar (most likely not really a possibility until actually reading / watching native content aimed at kids at least), specially for those who aren’t too fond of textbooks / drillling.

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Thanks for the links, I’ve never checked these out before but I like what I see. I wish I had more time to read native content outside of a few readings of NHK easy I do everyday or textbooks. I certainly don’t want to be doing drills forever and I’m sure you find native reading far more engaging. :stuck_out_tongue_closed_eyes: For those on a JLPT path or need to crunch content, seems SRS is a lifesaver. Hopefully when I’m more confident in the N3 arena kanji/grammar wise, I can transition a bit more to your current approach. Good luck in Japan, what will you be doing?

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