Is there a "wtf is this kanji?" thread somewhere?

You know, for those kanji that you come across but no matter which way you try to look it up, you can’t find it?

Currently I’m trying to find this one that looks like 益 (benefit), but it has the water radical attached. I did find 溢 (overflow), which has the verb form 溢れる, which matches the grammar and context in the sentence I found it in, which happens to be sentence #6 in 4500 Japanese sentences. Ever hear of alternative kanji like this?

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Can you post a picture of the kanji?

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stupid rotation lock…

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Judging by a quick google search, I’d say it’s 溢れる :thinking:
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Edit: source - https://udoyoshi.com/archives/1389

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Yep. From Wiktionary it looks like the version in that text is the Middle Chinese version of the kanji:

https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/溢

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Great, thanks, wish it was easier to tell if a difference in Kanji is semantic or not

Wiktionary is pretty good about it. From that page:

Phono-semantic compound ( 形聲 , *OC liɡ ): semantic (“water”) + phonetic (OC *qleɡ) – an overflowing liquid, water. ( ) also has sense of “to increase”, hence connotation of “increase to point of overflowing”.

Obviously in that case, that is for the Chinese which can be the same as in Japanese but not necessarily always.

Also Kanjipedia will often have good info as well:

会意形声。水と、益(エキ)→(イツ)(みちあふれる)とから成る。「あふれる」「みちる」意を表す。

https://www.kanjipedia.jp/kanji/0000252400

Kanjipedia seems to be the main source of info for the Semantic-Phonetic compound userscript as well.

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Found this site which has been useful. Make sure to check ignore stroke order.
https://kanji.sljfaq.org/

i came up with overflow. 溢

I’m surprised we don’t have a general kanji identification thread, since it seems like we get a few individual threads per week.

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Maybe this could become the thread.
I’ve been trying for quite a while now but can’t find anything for this one:
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Thanks in advance

(and sorry didn’t mean to reply to you @ObolioJ)

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溢れかえる

Meanings look almost identical, don’t know if there is a nuance difference.

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That’s def what it is, thanks!

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Thanks, I checked a few sources, but wiktionary wasn’t one of them

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Looks a lot like 禅. :man_shrugging:

Is your computer displaying this word (溢れる) in the way it’s written in the dictionary? Because my computer and phone fonts default to the the way it’s written in the pic that you posted; at first I was so confused as to why you were asking if the word in your pic was supposed to be 溢れる and why everyone responding was pulling up sources when they’re clearly identical (in my display). :joy:

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Sounds like your browser is rendering as Chinese. I see it the Japanese way. This is how your post looks for me:

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That’s so odd; it looks like this to me:
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It’s not unusual for non-jouyou kanji to be different in different Japanese fonts. It’s also possible for jouyou kanji to look different based on whether something is meant to look like handwriting or not, but jouyou kanji tend to be more standardized than non-jouyou ones.

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At least it isn’t this:

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