Yeah, I agree with this. 2 months isn’t much, if you think about Enlightenment items for example. You’re already supposed to wait 4 months to be able to burn them, so stopping for 2 months did nothing in this situation.
I took a break from Wanikani for about Two Months. Would it be best for me to reset at my current level or just pickup where I left off?
i ended up taking a break for a period of time myself due to lack of time. So I did a reset from level 25 back to level 3. I just hit 22 again yesterday. While it might seem a bit demotivating at first, I took the opportunity to really learn the ones that I did struggle a bit with, in addition to study the kanji more in depth, and also write them by hand whenever I learn new vocab and kanji.
I think it was the best decision I could make, even if I’m still not back to where I was - which I should be within a month. But you should ask yourself if you would be motivated to go through the same levels again. On the pro-side, it would be fast, as you will know a lot of the vocab and kanji already. on the con-side, lack of progression/not learning anything new.
I agree with a lot of this, your situation could be worse but it might be worth it to drop a few levels.
When I ranked for over a year, I came back with over 2000 reviews. Most of that I just had to work through, but I ended up scrolling through the kanji of the last few levels and seeing which I knew and which I didn’t. Then I reset to the last level I knew (because I suspected I could still use a refresher).
Yeah- I went through this recently- fell off the wagon for about the same amount of time. I’d just finished level 10 before getting too busy at work.
I looked over kanji lists by level and felt most comfortable restarting at level 4. Some stuff is just so simple/basic that you won’t forget it (like numbers)- and those early levels go by reeaaaallllyyy sloooooowwwlly. Now, about a month later, I’m almost done with level 6 and expect to be back where I was by mid March. I think it’s worth it to go back a good bit just because of how much the mnemonics and presentation within wanikani build on each other.
ALSO- i’m finding it much easier to really learn and remember the words that gave me trouble last time I went through. Because I know they were problems before, they just seem to stick now with the extra repetition.
I actually just finished up being in a similar position, except swap two months for almost two years I came back to about 700 reviews, but took the steps others mentioned in the thread: batch reviews of about 100 keep your learning consistent while keeping your sanity in check. I wouldn’t recommend going overboard on all of them because you also run the risk of getting a bunch wrong, then discouraging yourself.
All in all, I’m very happy I didn’t roll back (as I did consider it too). That would have been one boring grind to go through all those levels again. Whatever you decide, good luck on your studying!
Never ever reset your level; when you do that, you are erasing your progress and sweeping reviews you are supposed to be doing under the rug.
You need to use a few crutches to get back to where you were comfortably: download the reorder script and sort by lowest to highest level, radical to kanji to vocabulary. You can get quite a few done a day doing this (you will be surprised how many lower-level items you not only remember but instinctively type in as soon as you see them). After you get your pile down to around 300-200 reviews: if you find yourself making very slow headway through your reviews, missing dozens of them at a time and generally getting frustrated by the lack of progress, turn 1 to 1 mode to get your batches done.
Do this for a few days. The goal is not to clear your review pile, that’s the easy part. The goal is to get your apprentice items around a manageable level (I prefer mine under 100 and preferably closer to 70-80 so I never get more than 100 reviews a day). After you do this, you will be back on track and can safely turn off the reorder script.
There is a reason the reset button is on a page buried on your profile settings: it’s not just irreversible, it’s counter-intuitive to the whole idea of doing reviews of things you’re supposed to be able to recall at that point in time.
Eh…when you say “supposed to be able to recall”- that’s kinda not true anymore if someone has been away for months. They likely have many items they were supposed to be seeing at a much higher frequency. It’s almost like the system is treating everything they’ve done as enlightened, when the amount of memory hadn’t been built to that level yet. For me, no amount of beating my head against the wall was going to get me more than (at very best) a 50% correct rate.
I took a half a year off and I reset my level to 4, it used to be 14. So happy I did! Maybe since it’s only been two months for you, you’ll only have to set back a few levels.
I stopped for 2-3 months as well. Mostly because the subscription was no longer in my budget and it was taking so long for reviews to happen without it because less material is open to me. When I finally came back I don’t know how many reviews I had left but I just did them in my own time.
You can do some reviews and choose to wrap up when you think you’ve done enough for the day (or just that moment). Just make sure you choose the wrap up option and not just exit out. At least that’s what I did, anything I didn’t remember just got bumped down and I didn’t have to needlessly start over from the beginning with the ones I know well.
A lot of those reviews are probably just radicals, which are generally really quick and easy to review.
Yes, you are “supposed” to be able to recall them, that’s the point. If you can’t recall them then you should be reviewing them more often, resetting won’t help with that since it won’t change the recall rate of items in your head, you have to hunker down and work on that regardless. Staring down 700+ reviews is harsh (I’ve done my fair batches of 1000+ reviews), but you are better off where you are than re-doing work a few levels down. Again, I recommend the reorder script to ease users back into a routine and avoid burnout.
People take that dumb percentage ratio way too seriously too: it has a terrible influence over people as they’re doing reviews and frankly, it’s completely pointless, it’s not a competition to be the most right, it’s a hike up a hill. If you have a low hit ratio, that’s a good thing, you’ll see that item again sooner, the system is working as intended.
But… what? You’ve got a load of reviews piled up. Some of them are Apprentice and Guru items which you haven’t seen in over two months because you took a break. You’re not ‘supposed’ to be able to remember them. You’re not even ‘supposed’ to be able to recall the Master items.
If you do the reviews, you will, understandably, get loads of them wrong and they will plummet back down. You then still have hundreds of reviews to do. You aren’t taking in any of the information because there are literally hundreds of items, so you get them wrong loads and it takes ages to get going again.
If you reset, they go back to being Apprentice when you unlock them, just as they would if you reviewed them and got them wrong. But instead of being an avalanche of hundreds of items it’s a manageable amount and you get a proper chance to review them in the lessons again.
I’m not necessarily arguing for a reset in this case or any case, but it seems bizarre to assert that nobody should ever reset and that you are ‘supposed’ to be able to recall all these items.
And I agree that it’s not a competition to be the most right, but I don’t think a low hit ratio is bad or good.
I think it would be nice to have a “sudden death” style of reset. Where you can get something knocked down to “SRS Level -1” and then it goes back into Lessons.
Sudden Death Reset
Well, I believe that’s how the ‘critical items’ list is populated on your dashboard. But that sounds like an interesting idea!
Yeah, it would be kind of a painful session, watching all those items go back into Lessons. But then you can actually not have 200+ unfamililar Apprentice items to try to review. (That’s a very unproductive situation!) Instead, you can just treat it like learning new content, and you can control the pace!
I don’t want to get pedantic over words, I meant that you’re able to recall them to some extent, not necessarily get both meaning and reading right after not seeing it for three months. I certainly think it’s possible to recall items from every level even if your hit ratio will be marginal in some of them. I also think it’s a little silly to assume you won’t take in any information just because of the volume of reviews, if you’re doing “loads” of them to the point where you’re just frustrated and mashing through them, you should stop doing them for the day.
As far as resets are concerned, do whatever you feel is best. If you reset you will attain happiness but it’s nothing but momentary, you will have to do all of those items again at some point, admittedly at a slower, more “normal” pace. But you’ll still have spots with a high number of apprentice items when those items come back for review every level, and now you have the extra burden of having to re-do potentially several levels’ worth of content on top of that (you could just reset one level but it’s common to see people resetting quite a few more or even going back to level 1 because of burnout). It’s better to just make peace with the amount of work you have to do and work at it for a few days at an easy pace.
The correct percentage isn’t good or bad, people let themselves think that it has a significant impact on their WK experience when it shouldn’t. You do not want to aim for a “bad” hit percentage but it being close to 50% isn’t the end of the world, it just means you’ll get more chances to drill information you consider pertinent to your studies into your brain.
Neither do I
Obviously I meant that you will take in little information rather than no information
I agree that you will clearly be able to recall some items from even your most recent level. I think the argument is that if you only recall 5% of the items from the most recent, what is really the point in not simply starting that over?
You’ll see that nearly everybody in this thread was recommending resetting (if at all) a few levels rather than back to level 1, based on the rate of retention of each level.
I understand your argument but it seems much of a muchness to me. Both approaches result in a similar outcome. It’s just whichever is psychologically easier to deal with and which helps you remember your items the best in the long-run.
I had actually reset from level 6 to 1.
I started at the beginning of December, 2016. Things were going great, but then I had classes that made it difficult to maintain studying. I also didn’t understand how to use WK in a way that works for me (completely ignore website timers and just do my obligatory “morning” and “evening” review; no matter if it’s 2 items or 200, don’t do lessons unless I feel like learning, etc.) During that first campaign I always had way too many apprentice items. I also felt really frustrated about the timers not giving me an absolute time. I wished I could plan reviews to fit between classes, so I installed a script that shows a full calendar. But then my performance in my reviews happened to be worse because of my motivations behind satisfying the gamified experience.
It was hard to choose to reset. But in the end, I chose to go through with the reset after a week of thinking about it and reflecting on what went well and not so well. I got an opportunity to create a new culture for myself. Now I’ve been pretty consistent!
WK team needs to know about this. Great idea.
Thanks! Not sure if it’s the right thing to do, but I went ahead and made a feedback thread: Sudden Death Reset
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