# I think time restriction on learning curve is horrible **URL:** \ **Category:** Feedback\ **Created:** [September 13, 2020, 5:56pm UTC](https://community.wanikani.com/t/i-think-time-restriction-on-learning-curve-is-horrible/45910 "2020-09-13T17:56:17Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 18\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![UInt2048](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/wanikanicommunity/user_avatar/community.wanikani.com/uint2048/32/561086_2.png) [@UInt2048](https://community.wanikani.com/u/UInt2048)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2020, 3:52pm UTC](https://community.wanikani.com/t/i-think-time-restriction-on-learning-curve-is-horrible/45910/21 "2020-09-14T15:52:36Z")
> [@MesJ](#): > > That looks great! šŸ˜ƒ Itā€™s just on early levels thereā€™s literally nothing to do. I guess I will focus on other things, like typing or pronunciationā€¦ I really hope it picks up soon and fast. Just wait a few levelsā€¦ youā€™ll see it start since youā€™ll have a couple items in the queue. Read [section 2 of the Ultimate Guide to WK](https://community.wanikani.com/t/my-journey-of-368-days-the-ultimate-guide-for-wk/31318/2)ā€¦ you can easily get in the hundreds of reviews per day and seven-days per level if you really want to go for the record speed! šŸ˜› But, honestly, remember that tons of reviews would take hours per day, so itā€™s really not that great (remember that 1000 reviews is almost 2000 questions: meaning & reading) If you go lightning-speed on them and only take 6 seconds per half, and never get anything wrong, then: (Weā€™re assuming radicals arenā€™t a significant factor - out of these 1000 reviews, only 37 are radicals, so we can just ignore them to make math easier) 2000 halves \* 6 seconds = 12,000 seconds = 200 minutes = 3 ā…“ hours But, letā€™s be real, you wonā€™t go that fast, and you will get things wrong, so: 2000 halves \* 1.5 (for re-answering) \* 10 seconds = 30,000 seconds = 500 minutes = 8 ā…“ hours Maybe. If youā€™re lucky, since you just built up 1000 reviewsā€¦ The point is that you donā€™t really want that much! At maximum speed with perfect accuracy (credit goes to whoever @jprspereira got it from): ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/wanikanicommunity/original/4X/a/7/3/a732921a091b4654ce3186666f7fe00415346930.png) ---
**Author:** ![LastStand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/wanikanicommunity/user_avatar/community.wanikani.com/laststand/32/300901_2.png) [@LastStand](https://community.wanikani.com/u/LastStand)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2020, 4:40pm UTC](https://community.wanikani.com/t/i-think-time-restriction-on-learning-curve-is-horrible/45910/22 "2020-09-14T16:40:39Z")
I just skimmed the thread due to lack of time but I didnā€™t explicitly see someone mentioning that there are scripts and third-party-apps (on Android for example itā€™s Flaming Durtles) which allow you to put some extra study time in. Some call it cram (BunPro), others call it self-study (Flaming Durtles). So maybe thatā€™s an option for you which would require some research to see if you like it though. ---
**Author:** ![anon88459823](https://cdck-file-uploads-global.s3.dualstack.us-west-2.amazonaws.com/wanikanicommunity/original/3X/f/d/fd4c154120954695f788402f3bcf4e616499bc2d.png) [@anon88459823](https://community.wanikani.com/u/anon88459823)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2020, 4:51pm UTC](https://community.wanikani.com/t/i-think-time-restriction-on-learning-curve-is-horrible/45910/23 "2020-09-14T16:51:12Z")
good point! i guess this would be the best link to start with then: > [@The New And Improved List Of API and Third Party Apps](https://community.wanikani.com/t/the-new-and-improved-list-of-api-and-third-party-apps/7694): > > warning This is a list of third-party script/app and is not created or managed by the WaniKani team. By using any of the script/apps listed here, you understand that it can stop working at any time or be discontinued indefinitely. This is a wiki post, please feel free to edit it and add to it! [Requests Userscripts Here](https://community.wanikani.com/t/x/3838)[How to use userscripts](https://community.wanikani.com/t/x/12136)[Discord server for discussing userscripts](https://discord.gg/bbYy4nsJrd) Note that UserScripts may not work well in mobile browsers; but [not entirely impossible](https://community.wanikani.com/t/x/12136#heading--mobile-start). Other things likeā€¦ ---
**Author:** ![UInt2048](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/wanikanicommunity/user_avatar/community.wanikani.com/uint2048/32/561086_2.png) [@UInt2048](https://community.wanikani.com/u/UInt2048)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2020, 5:58pm UTC](https://community.wanikani.com/t/i-think-time-restriction-on-learning-curve-is-horrible/45910/24 "2020-09-14T17:58:37Z")
> [@anon88459823](#): > > - [kamesame](https://community.wanikani.com/t/kamesame-a-fast-feature-rich-japanese-memorization-webapp/31319) (more kanji/vocab SRS type stuff) > - [bunpro](https://community.wanikani.com/t/%E6%96%87%E3%83%97%E3%83%ADbunpro-update-wk-api-v2-new-audio-september-1-2020-japanese-grammar-srs-study-site/19756) (grammar via SRS) > > links lead to the threads here on the forum where you can find full descriptions > [@Joeni](#): > > Check out [The Ultimate Additional Japanese Resources List!](https://community.wanikani.com/t/the-ultimate-additional-japanese-resources-list/16859) as the work has already been put in as far as recommending printed material or even other websites with systems that you might find fit your needs better. I think weā€™ve indirectly covered it beforeā€¦ ---
**Author:** ![Joeni](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/wanikanicommunity/user_avatar/community.wanikani.com/joeni/32/632588_2.png) [@Joeni](https://community.wanikani.com/u/Joeni)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2020, 6:03pm UTC](https://community.wanikani.com/t/i-think-time-restriction-on-learning-curve-is-horrible/45910/25 "2020-09-14T18:03:09Z")
> [@UInt2048](#): > > I think weā€™ve indirectly covered it beforeā€¦ I think thatā€™s a Discourse bug to be honest; if you link a thread that has already been linked, you get a warning before you post, but if you **quote** that post, I donā€™t think it does. ---
**Author:** ![kewms](https://cdck-file-uploads-global.s3.dualstack.us-west-2.amazonaws.com/wanikanicommunity/original/3X/f/d/fd4c154120954695f788402f3bcf4e616499bc2d.png) [@kewms](https://community.wanikani.com/u/kewms)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2020, 6:08pm UTC](https://community.wanikani.com/t/i-think-time-restriction-on-learning-curve-is-horrible/45910/26 "2020-09-14T18:08:51Z")
Athletic coaches talk about ā€œweekend warriors,ā€ who sit on the couch all week and try to make up for it on the weekend. They get injured a lot. The body does better with frequent bouts of moderate training. Your brain is the same way. 30 minutes a day, every day, is likely to give better results than trying to jam it all into the weekend. ---
**Author:** ![Kappa421](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/wanikanicommunity/user_avatar/community.wanikani.com/kappa421/32/255435_2.png) [@Kappa421](https://community.wanikani.com/u/Kappa421)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2020, 6:32pm UTC](https://community.wanikani.com/t/i-think-time-restriction-on-learning-curve-is-horrible/45910/27 "2020-09-14T18:32:08Z")
![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/wanikanicommunity/original/4X/7/c/d/7cde371f2d89bab5c98e9d534148b707ac20baee.png) šŸ¤” ---
**Author:** ![slerched](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/wanikanicommunity/user_avatar/community.wanikani.com/slerched/32/340248_2.png) [@slerched](https://community.wanikani.com/u/slerched)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2020, 6:59pm UTC](https://community.wanikani.com/t/i-think-time-restriction-on-learning-curve-is-horrible/45910/28 "2020-09-14T18:59:13Z")
I have been trying to learn Japanese, painfully, slowly, incorrectly, and terribly for 20 years. Here is my advice to you MesJ: Try Kodansha Kanji Learnerā€™s Course and a custom Anki deck built for KKLC. Anki lets you study. Then study. Then study. And more. You can work on it for as many hours in a day you can put into if you so desire. I preferred KKLC over Remembering the Kanji as they removed learning the readings from the process when you start RTK. Some people like it but I recommend people try KKLC over RTK with Anki from a ā€œtry it and see how it works for youā€ perspective. If you canā€™t stick to the WK SRS timing, you canā€™t. They give you no options for skipping content, skipping intervals, or otherwise re-arranging the content (other than some scripts that let you sort the order of reviews). When I first started, it was painful waiting for the next things to pop up but now that Iā€™ve gotten a semi-schedule going, I am jumping up a level every 8-11 days according to wkstats. For me, WaniKani is what I needed. It is the ONLY thing I have been able to stick to consistenly. My last attempt at learning Kanji lasted about 35 days when it became easier to put it off for tomorrow and every day after became tomorrow. ---
**Author:** ![LastStand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/wanikanicommunity/user_avatar/community.wanikani.com/laststand/32/300901_2.png) [@LastStand](https://community.wanikani.com/u/LastStand)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2020, 7:19pm UTC](https://community.wanikani.com/t/i-think-time-restriction-on-learning-curve-is-horrible/45910/29 "2020-09-14T19:19:12Z")
> I think weā€™ve indirectly covered it beforeā€¦ Yeah thatā€™s the thing - indirectly. Put yourself in OPā€™s shoes: There are so many resources, so many possibilities. It surely can be overwhelming, so I gave them a pointer that directly answers their question so the chance of OP not even being aware of this possibility gets reduced. Also, just being aware of say, Bunpro, doesnā€™t automatically mean that you know of all the possibilities that come with it. > I just skimmed the thread due to lack of time but I didnā€™t **explicitly** see someone mentioning that there are scripts and third-party-apps (on Android for example itā€™s Flaming Durtles) which allow you to put some extra study time in. So, I genuinely want to understand - do you think my post was insignificant, redundant or unnecessary and if so, why? No hard feelings btw, feel free to criticize. ---
**Author:** ![UInt2048](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/wanikanicommunity/user_avatar/community.wanikani.com/uint2048/32/561086_2.png) [@UInt2048](https://community.wanikani.com/u/UInt2048)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2020, 7:22pm UTC](https://community.wanikani.com/t/i-think-time-restriction-on-learning-curve-is-horrible/45910/30 "2020-09-14T19:22:37Z")
> [@LastStand](#): > > So, I genuinely want to understand - do you think my post was insignificant I donā€™t call people insignificantā€¦ > [@LastStand](#): > > redundant or unnecessary No, you were expanding on and adding to what was already here. I was just showing what had been mentioned and saying that we had somewhat covered the topic. ---
**Author:** ![slerched](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/wanikanicommunity/user_avatar/community.wanikani.com/slerched/32/340248_2.png) [@slerched](https://community.wanikani.com/u/slerched)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2020, 7:47pm UTC](https://community.wanikani.com/t/i-think-time-restriction-on-learning-curve-is-horrible/45910/31 "2020-09-14T19:47:56Z")
Reading more thoroughly through the replies and seeing you (MesJ) looking at getting into typing/pronunciation, that is a fantastic way to supplement WK. Too much of anything can burn you out and being able to use SRS for Kanji while also digging into other aspects of the language will help fill in the hours between WK reviews. Depending on your motivation for learning, you can even use watching a Japanese TV show/Anime/Movie without subtitles as learning and studying. I can understand a crazy amount of spoken Japanese but canā€™t speak more than shorter sentences because Iā€¦ā€œstudiedā€¦ā€ Anime more than actually putting in any other work. Itā€™s awesome to read a Kanji on WK and know what it means simply because youā€™ve heard it in a show/song/movie/etc. I started reading through Japanese the Manga way and while it is a bit elementary from my spoken level of understanding it is eye opening see how to put the Kanji Iā€™ve learned in WK to actual use. And like I said, if you REALLY want more Kanji, pick up the Kodansha Learnerā€™s Course or Remembering the Kanji and a good Anki deck and just go wild. I still think there is merit in sticking with WK in supplement but it wouldnā€™t be necessary with either of those programs. ---
**Author:** ![Katyrr](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/wanikanicommunity/user_avatar/community.wanikani.com/katyrr/32/297298_2.png) [@Katyrr](https://community.wanikani.com/u/Katyrr)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2020, 8:16pm UTC](https://community.wanikani.com/t/i-think-time-restriction-on-learning-curve-is-horrible/45910/32 "2020-09-14T20:16:32Z")
ahh yes i can see the issueā€¦ I feel like the target audience for wanikani is learners who happen to have more of a ā€œlittle and oftenā€ study style. I canā€™t spend much more that 20 mins a day on wanikani, so I go slow and level up once a month on average (during exam season it can take me nearly 3 months to level up, but during holidays i can go as fast as two weeks), so there is some limited flexibility. But if you prefer to study in larger chunks, i think WK and similar flashcards apps probably arenā€™t going to be the most effective tool for you. There are certainly other ways to go about it, though i havenā€™t tried them myself. It would probably be easier for you if you live in japan or have japanese friends or family? I canā€™t think of any way around simply using it a lot - whether or not you choose to use WK for that purpose. Sorry I canā€™t help moreā€¦ I hope you find a solution! ---
**Author:** ![slerched](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/wanikanicommunity/user_avatar/community.wanikani.com/slerched/32/340248_2.png) [@slerched](https://community.wanikani.com/u/slerched)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2020, 6:26pm UTC](https://community.wanikani.com/t/i-think-time-restriction-on-learning-curve-is-horrible/45910/33 "2020-09-15T18:26:51Z")
In the end, the best tool to learn a language (or anything I guess) is the one you can stick to. ---
**Author:** ![Katyrr](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/wanikanicommunity/user_avatar/community.wanikani.com/katyrr/32/297298_2.png) [@Katyrr](https://community.wanikani.com/u/Katyrr)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2020, 8:24pm UTC](https://community.wanikani.com/t/i-think-time-restriction-on-learning-curve-is-horrible/45910/34 "2020-09-15T20:24:37Z")
Quite right =) itā€™ll be many times more difficult if itā€™s not something that fits with your lifestyle ā€¦ ---
**Author:** ![skatefriday](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/wanikanicommunity/user_avatar/community.wanikani.com/skatefriday/32/296426_2.png) [@skatefriday](https://community.wanikani.com/u/skatefriday)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2020, 4:19am UTC](https://community.wanikani.com/t/i-think-time-restriction-on-learning-curve-is-horrible/45910/35 "2020-09-25T04:19:37Z")
> [@MesJ](#): > > In my case, I can only put in the work 2 times a week but 6-8 hours/day. As far as I know, thereā€™s just no way I could use WaniKani for studying this way. Thatā€™s right. WK really wouldnā€™t work with that schedule. However, youā€™re in luck I know just the technology that is perfect for your needs [https://www.amazon.com/s?k=kanji+workbook&crid=1J2LSDT59Q37K&sprefix=kanji+%2Caps%2C227&ref=nb\_sb\_ss\_i\_1\_6](https://www.amazon.com/s?tag=tofugu08-20&k=kanji+workbook&ref=nb_sb_ss_i_1_6) Paper! Itā€™s this amazing invention! You can skip to any page IMMEDIATELY! Itā€™s so awesome. šŸ™‚ ---
**Author:** ![retrohusky](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/wanikanicommunity/user_avatar/community.wanikani.com/retrohusky/32/344628_2.png) [@retrohusky](https://community.wanikani.com/u/retrohusky)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2020, 12:32pm UTC](https://community.wanikani.com/t/i-think-time-restriction-on-learning-curve-is-horrible/45910/36 "2020-09-30T12:32:04Z")
I appreciate OPā€™s enthusiasm, but from my experience I can say that in most cases itā€™s a straight way to discouragement. No matter what you study and how motivated you are itā€™s much better to take the subject piece by piece, but in a frequent matter. I recommend the slight edge methodology for that. ---
**Author:** ![ErikShiken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/wanikanicommunity/user_avatar/community.wanikani.com/erikshiken/32/461277_2.png) [@ErikShiken](https://community.wanikani.com/u/ErikShiken)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2020, 12:53pm UTC](https://community.wanikani.com/t/i-think-time-restriction-on-learning-curve-is-horrible/45910/37 "2020-09-30T12:53:52Z")
Yea around level 7 or 8 I started to feel a little overwhelmed but eventually accepted it. ---
**Author:** ![system](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/wanikanicommunity/original/4X/6/2/a/62a8b0f4c59ff2c5b6651ffcf43531480b3e5297.png) [@system](https://community.wanikani.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2021, 12:54pm UTC](https://community.wanikani.com/t/i-think-time-restriction-on-learning-curve-is-horrible/45910/38 "2021-09-30T12:54:24Z")
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