How the hell do people go through levels so fast?

Without knowing Finnish, is it maybe that they are similar sounds in your language that make it more confusing? Though generally yes, there are a lot of homophones.

Nope. Finnish and japanese are so wildly different on vocabulary that theres no way to mix things up. Poistumistie, shyutsu. Koira, inu. Laskeutua, sageretsu. Pudota, sagaretsu. And so forth. Also the grammar is different too, at least as far as I can tell, at least a bit. We too use a lot of particles, suffixes and so forth but for example there cannot be an sentence without subject in finnish (I don’t think. Despite working towards being an author my knowledge of finnish grammar is extremely poor.)

Oh, wait, we have a form of joo, yes, that is juu. That might be pretty close but its pronounced pretty differently.

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Isn’t that 75% of WK, and the other 25% are parts of them?

If I can return to this really briefly.

If you ignore what Tofugu says about when to start grammar, these sorts of issues can be resolved super early in the studies.

If you start with N5 grammar alongside WK you’ll learn very soon about transitivity. You’ll then look it up probably and learn the tips @diego_barreto talks about.

Similarly, very early into grammar you’ll learn that some i-adjectives can become nouns by adding 「さ」 to the stem.

長い>長さ (long > length)
大きい>大きさ (big > size)
深い>深さ (deep > depth)

So, if grammar is actually encouraged from the start (as most WK users will advocate) the vocab learnt through WK becomes easier to understand and compartmentalise. You’ll see words change from verb to noun or adverb or adjective and understand why and how because you’ll have that grammatical background (相変わらず) springs to mind.

The mystery of why these similar looking words exist without rhyme or reason becomes solved.

as an aside I also recommend listening to Japanese music bc that way you get exposed to kanji that will come in future lessons

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That script is not maintained anymore. Better to use [Userscript]: Double-Check (Version 2.x) which is in everyway superior and has more features. @t3h_bunbun

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But there’s so many similarities! Or I guess words that mean something else, like…

鳥 [とり] = market
閣下 [かっか] = poop
はい = shark
蟹 [かに] = rabbit
栗鼠 [りす] = twig
紐 [ひも] = lust
なる = rope
無くなる [なくなる] = naked rope
良くない = someone is having sex
かい = maybe
皆[みんな] = a very common first name
活気[かっき] = he pooped
靴[くつ] = invitation
傘[かさ] = pile
住む[すむ] = fog

My favorites is are:

運転する = the sorrow of dreams (so poetic!)
最近かなぁ = got chicked instead

And the pronunciation is sometimes extremely close.

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Yeah! I had so many of these when I was learning some Norwegian, and I already know Swedish. It’s a different concept, though, than the above words.

Totally agree with that. With some grammar study, you start picking up those patterns and things become more logical and less pure memorization.

Thank you! Is this in the pinned list of userscripts and I just didn’t see it?

Others like learning some grammar first. That’s good for talking and communication, but I found it frustrating since most of written speech uses kanji & knowing the words were rendered a bit useless if I needed to check every kanji from the dictionary. So I took the Tofugu path and started with memorizing the kanji for a long time without actually understanding almost anything, and started the grammar only after level 14 or so by using Bunpro. The difference now is that I can read 90% of the example sentences, so I can finally focus on the grammar. But then, I’ve always been the kind of language learner that learns better by reading. Others may learn better by other options.

However, it doesn’t hurt to at least skim through the Tae Kim guide in Finnish (even though the translation is a bit choppy and the site doesn’t really use hiragana). I found it easier to focus on grammar points when I didn’t need to constantly translate from Japanese to English to Finnish.

Pakko kyllä sanoa, että ei tämä vieläkään mitään pikajuoksua ole.

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I’ve been meaning for a while now to figure out what text book or such I should buy for grammar. Falling ill and such came to the way of it. I know I need a book for this since it’s hard for me to focus on computer screen the way you need for reading comprehension and learning.

But I am glad to know there are some form to this madness and that once I figure out what to get things might ease a bit!

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I can do with english just fine. I don’t need to make any english to finnish translation or such in my head or otherwise. As such I will do fine with textbook that is in english as long as it has furagana with it.

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A recurring theme of mine here on the boards is that I hate that WK’s marketing department sets unrealistic expectations of new users. And then the first few posts new users tend to come across are the “My accuracy rate is 94%” and you feel like a failure. I think while it’s used as bait, ultimately it’s a disservice. But I don’t run the WK marketing dept so I don’t get a say.

Stick around a while and you’ll begin to realize that the vast majority of users will take well north of 2 years to get anywhere close to level 60. For me it will be 4 or 5 years. You’ll also realize that failure is a process. Some items will churn between Guru and Apprentice many, many times. But if you are in it for the long haul, eventually they stick.

See? 4 to 5 years. For me personally the key is not stopping. You can see what happens when that happens.

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The point is not to learn kanji, the point is to learn to read. To which individual kanji characters are only tools. Vocabulary is the end goal. To that end, it seems rather pointless to push the vocabulary to the back of the car.

See my many WK misleading marketing rants.

That said, if you are just gaming the whole level thing, and your only goal is to look at your heatmap and marvel at all those one week levels, by all means, have fun. :slight_smile:

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IIRC, WK teaches you this itself in the explanation for 大きさ.

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Oh I never read them so I must have missed it! :sweat_smile:

I regularly did my reviews & lessons for a year - and only got to level 25. Some people take WK way faster, some way slower.

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Exactly! That was my expirience too! The tofugu guide claims you’ll learn the beginner kanji in just a few months. I can imagine that people much less stubborn than me would give up quite quickly because they end up feeling like failure or stupid or other related emotions due to the fact that they can’t seemingly learn the kanji and vocab in the speed that is seemingly ‘normal’, even if it is just marketing and few expectional people boasting.

Personally, I have gotten quite a bit better with this. It has helped that I have begun to take 6 new radicals/kanji/vocab per day which helps to speed things up while still allowing me to learn most of them to the point where I can guru them relatively quickly.

Part of this is def the fact that nothing in the marketing mentions the ammount of vocab you’ll go through. Most of what you’ll learn in wk is vocab. For example, level 2 has 34 kanji to 80 vocab. While I was struggling with my first vocab I just wondered how people could learn all that stuff so damn quickly. Maybe if you already know japanese it will be easier but still!