FLOWERS -Le volume sur automne- đŸŒș Visual Novel Informal Club

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First ending stuff

Yeah the art makes it a bit deceptive since in game they’re only a year apart in age. I’ve talked to a lot of people that were initially surprised at how young the characters were due to the art.

That ending might be one of my favorites ever. I haven’t gotten there in my replay yet of course but I remember when I read it the first time in English it completely destroyed me. The credits rolling with Yuzu crying to be saved just for Neri to finally come after the credits roll was really special.

I also like how this one lets you play the true ending on the very first play through. I think it helps make the moment hit harder since the entire story is fresh in your mind instead of finally reaching there after skipping through a bunch of choices.

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Chapter 4 thoughts

I liked this chapter a lot, especially the ending. Erika is really nice and supportive of Yuzu throughout this entire game and I know she didn’t mean any harm here but this line might have been the worst possible thing to say to Yuzu given all of her internal insecurities :sweat_smile:

The picnic with the twins was really cute. It was nice to see them try to cheer Yuzu up. The CG of them all just laying together is adorable.

I love the Rainbow Magic scene so much. Think I said it before but its my favorite Flowers song, its so good. Especially with Yuzu’s narration throughout it, it makes the scene really emotionally impactful and makes the rejection that follows it up hurt even more

First time I read this VN I didn’t really know what to expect here. I didn’t think Neri would accept her confession but the slap did catch me by surprise. The two CGs here do a really good job of capturing the mood.

For the mystery earlier in the chapter, I thought it was okay. They gave some good hints throughout that Dahlia knew who was behind it. Although I’m not really sure why they had to keep it a secret that Tamaki was feeding the animals. Its not like she was keeping them at the dorm and I’m not sure if there would have been much harm in people knowing she was taking care of an injured animal :thinking:
She doesn’t have a sprite in this game but the artbook/drama CDs do give her one if anyone is interested in Tamaki’s appearance.

Tamaki

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Sprite

Thanks! Haha definitely not how I was picturing her, what a hottie, in my mind she was old and a bit on the fat side for some reason :x

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Chapter 3 spoilers

It’s a nice chapter with more enjoyable character development!

As usual, the perks of playing in Japanese is getting to see some of the more obscure puns that can’t really be translated to English, like ćƒéł„ = Chidori (plover) and ćƒéł„è¶ł => tottering steps.

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Love the satisfied expression on Yuzuriha’s face, which I imagine is not only from the brushing but from being able to tease poor Erika :stuck_out_tongue:


These autumn backgrounds are just gorgeous.


Suoh has grown so much these last 3 games (seasons?), but it’s nice to see some things are still the same, like being ridiculously happy just because someone wants to pair up with her :blush:


I love that they went for this picture book style for Yuzuriha’s flashback about how she met Nerine. Fits very well with the whole theme of the children stories and fairy tales that are used for the chapter titles.


Personally, I feel that Flowers 3 is the most introspective of the Flowers games. It’s really interesting to peek at Yuzuriha’s mental state and the somewhat biased way she looks at her surroundings.

Her deep affection for Nerine, her guilt about Ringo’s confession, her insecurity about liking “feminine” things, her fear of losing Nerine’s friendship, how she feels inferior to everyone that confesses to her because she cannot manage to do so herself. Her internal turmoil feels very real and very human.

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Chapter 5 thoughts

The little date scenes with Yuzu and Ringo throughout the chapter were nice. I never really felt that romantic vibe between them the same way I do with Yuzu & Neri, but I still think the scenes are enjoyable. The giraffe line from Ringo is great of course.

There was one scene that I always thought was a bit odd. When Yuzu is in Erika’s room and thinking to herself if the other girls feelings for each other are just like a fleeting thing or not. It always felt weird given everything we know about the other couples after playing through Printemps & Ete so to suggest it’d just be a temporary feeling seems wrong but I guess as the reader we know a lot more about them than Yuzu does.

The mystery in this chapter is a mixed bag for me. The mystery itself was kind of meh but I love all the scenes that the situation creates. Especially when Yuzu goes into her super depression mode and starts rejecting everyone that is trying to cheer her up but then Suoh finally gets to her. The scene between Yuzu and Suoh there is definitely among my favorite in the entire series, especially when Suoh made the comparison with Neri and Mayuri. That scene and a lot of stuff that Suoh is doing in the background throughout this game really highlights just how much she has changed since the start of the series.

I also like how this game continues the trend of someone getting their room broken into. Erika’s skills are coming in clutch :stuck_out_tongue:

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Funny that you mention that because I found the reserve a bit frustrating :stuck_out_tongue: she knows things about the incident where she was found bleeding and about Mayuri that she is not sharing with the reader!

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Chapter 4

I love how Erika and Chodori become close friends with Yuzuriha. Both of them support Yuzu in their own way, though Erika seems to be able to peer a bit better into the inner issues that assail our main character.

They seem to feel so comfortable in her company they don’t even mind throwing jokes around and flirting between themselves when she’s around.

Ironically, even though it’s Nerine the one that actually notices all of the small abnormalities in Yuzuriha’s behavior, she seems to be the one that is unable to see the root cause of all of them. Can’t quite blame her, considering how Yuzuriha throws at her these multidimensional joke-that-deep-down-is-not-a-joke remarks at her.

It’s reassuring to hear that Ichigo also has no idea what all these advanced vocabulary like ćŸŒéĄ§ăźæ†‚ă„ mean.

I feel the VN does an interesting job of showing how subtly awkward things are internally for Yuzuriha, like when she makes a thoughtless joke given Ringo’s situation.

It’s hilarious how Chidori’s reaction to a common idea like “I want a copy of me to deal with all this work” is thinking of a doppleganger :laughing:

I think someone is being idolized a bit too much :sweat_smile:

I love this scene where Erika, despite her immense embarrassment, does her best to encourage Yuzuriha. It gives a more definitive idea of how much she cares for her.

I also love the Nijiiro no Mahou song used here, it’s an amazing song.

Sadly, things didn’t really go 性䞈怫 afterwards. I feel the rejection scene at the church is one of the most painful in the series, specially seeing how desperate Yuzuriha grows at every moment of it despite knowing too well what the result was going to be from the start.

Not sure how everyone else felt, but Ringo showing up at this moment felt more like salt to the wound than anything else. I understand that she wanted to comfort her, but this can’t really end well given Yuzuriha’s greatly weakened mental state 


Chapter 5 let’s go~

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Chapter 6/True end

I love this ending so much. It is probably the best executed true end I’ve seen in all the VNs I’ve read, especially with the credit tease they do here. The very first time I read this back in English, I really wasn’t sure if Neri was going to come or not. They already showed in Printemps that they aren’t afraid to do a sad ending and all of Automne is basically Yuzu suffering so I was preparing for the worst. Yuzu’s VA does such a phenomenal job in these scenes. I felt so bad for her, with her clicking her shoes together and then it going to the credits. Then Neri coming after the credits end, talk about an emotional rollercoaster.

It was nice to see after how much Yuzu changed herself for Neri that in the end Neri was able to make the same type of sacrifices to be together with Yuzu. In all the flashbacks they show throughout the game, Neri was kind of a bad person as a kid but like Yuzu said, the way she experienced it was a lot different. Even if Neri thought she was just using Yuzu, she still spent all that time with her and saved her. I think they did a great job showing how much regret Neri had. She is definitely not the same girl as she was when she was a kid.

The scene where Neri tells Yuzu about her mom’s last wish was really sad too. Especially with Yuzu’s comment about how her mom would always have an implied extra sentence that she never said and wanted her to truly become Yuzu’s friend

They also kept the tradition of ending each game with a line about praying to god for the first time.

Excited to do the other endings and unlock the extra now :partying_face:
On a side note, Hagiwara is really accommodating throughout this VN. Multiple times she switches rooms with Yuzu on short notice without complaining or anything :stuck_out_tongue:

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Other endings/Extra

I don’t have too much to say on the bad Neri ending. I did feel bad for Yuzu in it though.

I don’t think the Ringo ending was much better for Yuzu either, especially with the context of the twins ending. That ending feels like a “compromise” where both girls don’t really want to be with each but are just sticking it out. Ringo comforting Yuzu after her dream was sweet but they just never clicked romantically for me. I’d also have huge trust issues if I was Yuzu with all the switching around Ringo & Ichigo did earlier, not to mention that this isn’t the first time they pulled that trick either


The twins ending is kind of controversial. Some people think its canon and others don’t but considering it follows all the events of the true end, it feels like a continuation of that ending just via Ringo’s PoV. I was surprised to see them go that way with the twins though. I did enjoy the Ringo NVL scenes that appeared in the earlier chapters when going through this route. Kind of wish she had more focus during the true end to explore her character more but that might have been too big for the scope of this game since this one is about Yuzu after all. I know the drama CDs expand on them (and all the other side characters) a ton but would be nice if they could adapt that stuff into a VN one day.

The extra was amazing as usual. Its always fun to read through Suoh’s PoV. I loved when they were talking about their makeup for the halloween party and Rikka desperately wanted to check a mirror to see what she looked like but Suoh wasn’t gonna let that happen.

The ending is quite the cliffhanger. I remember just being confused as heck the first time I read the series with the old burnt down church and the gravestone with Basquiat written on it. They certainly know how to get people hyped up for the next installment :stuck_out_tongue:

The 4koma were great as usual. You can click the speech bubbles on these ones for voice acting too. The one where Neri tries to get Yuzu to eat an apple was my favorite

I’m excited to read Hiver with you all at the end of next month! The Innocent Grey website has a page for a special pamphlet they gave out with physical copies at stores when the game was first released I think. There is a little short story at the top of it, I would recommend reading before playing.

http://www.gungnir.co.jp/lily/flowers4/download/FLOWERS4_pamphlet.pdf

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Extra

Haha yes loved it too, to be honest I love Suoh too much I think, I almost read the whole VN just to get to the extra it almost seems like :x
They definitely had me for a second there, is Mayuri there?? Wouldn’t have been the first time that’s how we “find” someone, I believe you’ve completed route A in Island so you know who I’m referring to :slight_smile:
But then since Basquiat is written on it, I’m thinking it’s Basquiat’s dad, who is mentioned a few times? Though I have no idea what is the connection.

Thanks for the link to the story, will do!

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I’m also still alive and continuing!

I took a bit of a break from Flowers. I found the 2nd game a bit overwhelming and I decided to continue at a slower pace, look up more words, care less about following the pace of the club. I’m also trying to spend a little more time studying Kanji. I swear this game made it a point to use more obscure kanji where hiragana or other more common kanji are the norm. And using Japanese idioms that are impossible to understand without looking them up. Heck, even the references to western culture (I’m not sure if it was exclusively American) mostly go over my head. I know Star Trek, though.

Prolog & Chapter 1

I quite liked Yuzuriha before. Her voice, design and character. There are many clown/boke characters and also many female ouji type characters. But Yuzuriha is different from the typical boke character in that when she is playing dumb she always ends up teasing the people around her. It’s actually a bit sad to consider that might be more a way to hide her true self than genuin playfullness.

I didn’t even notice that she uses watashi in her thoughts until I saw AzusaChan mentioning it. Though she does seem to use kun in her thoughts as well.

At first I thought Ringo would be the new protagonist. Which would have been aweasom as well. I didn’t really think the Sasaki sisters would become part of any romantic entanglements. In the first game they seemed quite firmely to be written as friends and supportive side characters. I also always thought that their somewhat childish underdeveloped look means that they would probably not bee seen as very attractive by most in-universe people. But I like them and I think they have the potential to be very intersting. The prolog was very intriguing.

I like seeing Erika and Chidori together. I always think of them as a couple that is wearing matching clothes, when in reality it’s just their uniform.

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Chapter 5

Pretty long chapter, and also very rough one for me language-wise. Especially struggled with the two Iznik meetings while trying to follow the whole who-is-covering-for-who chain of events. It doesn’t help that Yuzuriha is not trying to declare the truth but pull one of Erika’s tricks and aim for a believable solution with minimal damage.

Chapter starts by showing how things are going between Ringo and Yuzuriha. While I feel this was in some way probably necessary for Yuzuriha to stabilize emotionally (or at least, avoid total despair), it’s hard to ignore the nagging feeling that both Yuzuriha and Ringo know deep inside that something is just not right.

I just can’t get enough of Erika and Chidori flirting :blush:


I know it’s japan, but people should probably make better use of the locks in their room’s doors to avoid 
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I wondered what exactly Nerine wanted to talk about when she barges into Yuzuriha and Ringo kissing in this scene - specially since this would have been the first time they talked since Yuzuriha got rejected.

In a more fun turn of events, we have my favorite scene, Erika talking about cats :heart:

It’s been mentioned before the interesting usage Yuzuriha makes of pronouns, but this is my favorite line:

惕もäč™ć„łă  sounds so weird!

Then the whole incident with Ringo getting “attacked” happens, Nerine takes the blame out of guilt, and Yuzuriha final straws she was holding onto finally disappear and she falls into deep despair. I feel Souh was a bit lucky here in that her circumstances were in some way similar enough to Yuzuriha’s to allow her to reach into her heart.

I really enjoyed having not only Erika but also Suoh support Yuzuriha this chapter. We also get to know that Erika does feel some level of competitiveness with Suoh :slight_smile:

One chapter left~

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True End

It’s time to tie some loose ends~

It’s good to see that Yuzuriha, after all these ups and downs, still has it in her to throw some flirty jokes around.

I find it a very nice touch that in the final moment we get Chidori (of all people) to give Yuzuriha the final push she needs to act. Chidori once again shows she has actually turned very good at observing people, like how she sees her in a more feminine role instead of a male one, unlike most of the other people in school.

Yuzuriha says goodbye to Ringo. I think Ringo sums up what was wrong with their relationship very accurately with this phrase:

The Yuzuriha that was with Ringo always felt off - the empty shell of the real Yuzuriha, her remains after she was rejected by Nerine.

I loved this scene where, unexpectedly, Rikka takes a point off Erika and the latter feels like she’ll be ashamed for the rest of her life :sweat_smile:

Then we have the scenes where Yuzuriha finally fulfills her promise to Suoh. Everything is, of course, very puzzling at this point, and extremely ominous. The writer did a great job hyping me up for Flowers 4 back when I read this part in English.

And we have the ending scene. It was emotionally very powerful. Just like in flowers 2, the writer does a great job of linking a lot of the small details between Yuzuriha and Nerine. In particular I liked how Nerine shows up after Yuzuriha clapped her shoes three times, just in time to fulfill her childhood promise.

There’s, however, some things I found really puzzling about this ending. Yuzuriha, who at the beginning was desperate to preserve the status quo, embraces change completely, leaving everything behind just to be with Nerine - yet somehow I feel this is a bit overblown?

Yuzuriha and Nerine are going to be in third year soon, so they probably don’t have to wait that much before they graduate - it’s hard for me to see why they need to go all the way to abandoning everything to be together, as there seems to be little pressure on them or their relationship. Certainly, there would be some level of guilt if they remained at school, but it certainly feels there would be also some level of guilt from abandoning school.

Another reason I feel this ending didn’t impress me as much as the True End in flowers 2 is probably because I feel Nerine was somewhat neglected during the game. It might be my impression, but I felt we actually saw Yuzuriha hang out with Erika and Chidori more often than with Nerine, which is really weird. I guess this is compensated with having the scenes with Nerine in them being a lot more powerful emotionally (singing together, or Nerine carrying Yuzuriha on her back, and so on)

I think what the writer did regarding how different were Yuzuriha’s and Nerine’s perception of their childhood was really fascinating and interesting - but it also meant that a lot of the character development for Nerine plays out during their childhood memories rather than in the present, which I feel was a bit of a shame.

I feel that we missed something 
 this is a bit contradictory for me, since I usually like things to be subtle ( the whole “show, don’t tell” principle of good storytelling ), but I feel like a lot of what we see of Nerine rotates so much around their childhood events and her regret that we actually miss the part where she actually realizes she’s in love with Yuzuriha. Certainly, the hints of it happening are there in the story, but the emphasis seems to be in other places.

Just to clarify, these are minor complaints - I still love this ending.

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When I first read this VN that part did surprise me too. I imagine Neri abandoning her religion to be with Yuzu would make it tough on her mentally to stay in a Catholic school so I rationalized it that way. The Couleur art book does tie some things up but they didn’t say anything about why they felt the need to leave.

For me, I think they did just enough with Neri to keep it interesting. She may not be my favorite character but I like the way they sprinkled the events around her throughout the story and kept the main focus on Yuzu’s growth. EtĂ© did it well by having the love interest focus on one character the majority of the time (Dalia hardly hogged screen time when you compare it to Rikka in game 1 or the twins here). I was so invested in Yuzu herself though that it didn’t end up bothering me that the love interest was weaker here.

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Phew, finished all the remaining endings almost in the nick of time :sweat_smile:

Nerine End

Certainly in terms of impact this ending doesn’t hold a candle to the True End, but it’s certainly the most reasonable (consistent?) of all endings, specially considering what has been mentioned before regarding the lack of development on Nerine’s current feelings throughout the game.

I think the bitter and painful feelings of Yuzuriha, who is unable to move on, are expressed really well during the final scene, where she decides to just keep staying at Nerine’s side despite the emotional cost to her.

Ringo End

It’s been mentioned already, but it’s certainly difficult to picture a relationship between Ringo and Yuzuriha.

The choices during the second run of the game include a lot of new scenes where we get to peek into Ringo’s mindset, and there are moments where she falling for Yuzuriha feels like it makes sense. Especially with how she pivots her confession around the idea of Yuzuriha being able to tell her apart from Ichigo - recognizing her as an individual separate from her sister.

Then however, things get more muddled with all the Ringo / Ichigo swapping places and Ringo saying she’s (at least partially) disappointed/jealous that Yuzuriha doesn’t realize - which is strange considering the aforementioned pivot.

I like that the author didn’t make it look like the transition is easy for Yuzuriha, and she certainly is still carrying the baggage of her feelings for Nerine even though she is dating Ringo.

Futago End

@AzusaChan already mentioned this, but certainly the most interesting part here is that they made this more of a parallel ending to the True End, rather than an alternative ending, since Ringo explicitly mentions how Yuzuriha and Nerine have left the academy. I can’t remember if in Flowers 4 there was anything confirming that this development between the twins was actually canon or not


I kinda wonder how the voice actress felt as she acted out the confession scene in this ending, since she did the voices for both twins. What a strange auto-confession!

Extra

The extra scenes are great, and it’s always nice to see how things played out from Suoh’s perspective.

One thing I found particularly interesting from a language perspective is this scene where Suoh is talking to the clock in her room, and refers to it as ćœŒ - I think it’s the first time in japanese that I see an inanimate objects get referred to with a gender-specific pronoun of this sort.

The teasing at the end when Suoh finds Basquiat’s grave was brutal back when I read it in English, since the final game had not been released, and the English translation for it was even further away =._.= I remember even weeks after I finished the game back then my head would still go around in circles speculating about what it could all mean.

General thoughts on the game as a whole

This is my second favorite Flowers game. I really like Yuzuriha as a character, and even though the story kinda breaks the image we had of her from the previous two games, this also makes Yuzuriha feel more human, with her flaws and strengths and struggles.

This game also leverages really well all the character development from the previous two games, with “secondary” characters like Erika, Chidori and Suoh having quite a bit of screen time, which was really fun.

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Nice timing! See you in Winter :grin:

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Okay. I finished the True End. I still have to read the “another stroy” (I assume it’s from Suohs perspective again) and the other routes and all the posts here.

general and True End

I’m enjoying the game. But I’m not that positive on it. The game spends too much time on Yuzuriha just talking to Rikka about the weather while using obscure kanji they just made up to make things difficult for me. That time could have been spend better.

As I’ve said on the first chapter, I feel like I liked Yuzuriha less now that I read a story from her perspective “It’s actually a bit sad to consider that might be more a way to hide her true self than genuin playfulness”. The game takes too long in the phase where Yuzuriha is just pining and moping for Nerine. You could even see it as creepy. I also don’t understand her. I get that she tries to to be “strong” for Nerine and change herself to please her. But I don’t quite get why she feels the need to play an act towards others. Or why she (and others) insist she looks mostly like a man. Or why she insists on pretending to like coffee. Even at the end, where you’d expect her to have gone through some character development and become more honest. Was there a scene I don’t remember where Nerine said that she would never marry anyone who doesn’t love coffee???

I also feel like I liked Nerine less. At times it seems like she must know how Yuzuriha feels and she is being cruel by pretending not to. And after Yuzuriha’s (first) confession, what was up with her calling Yuzuriha “ano ko” in her mind? While the backstory of their past made them much more interesting, it almost felt like Nerine didn’t even think of Yuzuriha as a friend, even now. And why did she change her mind about Yuzuriha’s romatic feelings? I think they should have had more scenes from her perspective and show how she changes her thinking.

I don’t like how they “flipflopped” the Yuzuriha-Nerine relationship. I would have preferred if after the rejection, the story would have been about Yuzuriha and Nerine becoming better friends (with everyones feelings now in the open) and Yuzuriha becoming a couple with Ringo.


Okay, why is she going for a kiss in this situation? But okay. I feel this would have worked better in an anime or live-action version.


Okay. First time didn’t work. Why did she think things would go better the second time?


Well, apprently the third time did work better for her.

And the end. Why did they have to make yet another confession-like scene? Why all that back and forth? And when did they even talk before about what a relationship would cost Nerine? When Nerine showed up after the Ending-Song I almost thought it’s the hallucinations of a dying Yuzuriha, drowning in the pond or freezing to death next to it.

I’m sorry if this comes off as overly negative. I didn’t even hate this the way I hated Suoh and Rikka in spring. I did quite like it initially when Nerine rejected Yuzuriha. Maybe because I have seen too much childhood friend yuri and it seems just unlikely that the childhood friend also is a lesbian and also has feelings for the protagonist and that every single time. (In hetero romance it seems the childhood friend always looses, in yuri she always wins?). And it would be a much more interesting story to see how the relationship develops when the one sided love is in the open.

I did not think of Yuzuriha as a creep and Nerine a psychopath. But it’s too easy to see how they could be that.

Now for some nicer and more random things:


Erika and Chidori were so nice in this game. And Erika was very cool. Such a good and reliable friend.


This scene gave quite the strong impression on me. Mostly from the mothers perspective. Speaking like this to your childs friend is quite unacceptable for multiple reasons. She must have been quite desparate to say this anyway. And of course both Nerine and Yuzuriha probably thought no one knew how they felt.


I’m looking forward to the other routes. I quite like the twins. Maybe they should have made the fall game about them.


This looks like straight out of Neo Genesis Evangelion or maybe Gundam. With Basquiat striking a Endo-like pose. Only missing the glassees. But with young girls instead of old men (although The Witch from Mercury has old women).


When I first looked up ă‚żăƒ«ăƒ‘, I found DARPA, the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency, instead of Tulpa. lol.

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Oh, they literally left school? I thought that was
 not literaly or something.

I agree very much. Maybe it’s because I took too much of a break while reading in the middle. But I feel like they should have have had the confession scene much earlier and had replaced half the Yuzuriha-perspective scenes afterwards with Nerine-perspective scenes.

Like this scene for example.

It kind of makes sense. It’s almost like her (one sided?) love for Nerine is a major stressor in her life. And she can relax more when she avoids her and hangs out with other friends. Especially if those are a (somewhat closeted?) lesbian couple. She must think they would accept her in a way that she (kind of corectly?) thinks Nerine would not.

Of course that all makes less sense if you still insist that Yuzuriha-Nerine is the true end and that their romance is waht the story is really about.

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I’m still going through the other endings. But I read throug the extra part.

extra

It’s been a few days that I finished the extra part. But the snow storm was quite atmospheric.

So far, there wasn’t anything super natural in those games. It’s all been Scooby-Doo style where everyhting has some perfectly natural explanation (I think, I never watched that show). Though many of the characters seem to take the possibility of something super natural serious. And Suoh has me scratching my head with her talk of th goddes of truth. I have no idea what she is on about, but she seems to suspect something super natural?

Makes me curious if the final game will have a super natual conlusion. I mostly hope it stays natural.

But it would be kind of awesome of that was Dalia Basquiats grave and the woman had been a ghost all along. I wonder what Erica would say to that.

Though, as had been said before. It’s probably a relatie. I think Basquiats said her father was a priest at the school. It’s a bit unusual for a catholic priest to have a child. I assume she is adopted. I looked it up, priests are allowed to adopt children.

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Nice to read your comments :slight_smile:

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