Duolingo Vs Lingodeer

You can mitigate this with the LingoDeer+ app which has games to help you learn as well. I bought the lifetime to that one as well and haven’t regretted my purchase yet, though it is a bit of a smaller package. I will say that some of the dialogue practice game is legitimately challenging for me.

@PeterRoss If you don’t mind the self-promoting part of it, I stream my study sessions when I’m not addicted to a video game.

EDIT: I just got home and noticed the stream I linked was about to expire, so I clipped the entire section of the stream I spend studying on Lingo Deer and Lingo Deer+, though this isn’t the best example since I am tried as all heck during this stream apparently. Hope it helps give you some insight into the apps.

LingoDeer/LingoDeer+ Study Session

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Thanks for your advice everybody. I am def. leaning towards Lingodeer…Duo is just too repetitiive.

I have been aiming for just 1 crown per day (5-6 separate lessons per day) but at this rate it will take me 2 YEARS to finish Duo and I don’t think it has N1 / N2 content (correct me if i’m wrong, but I would be surprised). The progress on Duo just seems far too slow and doesn’t appear to increase in challenge.

Over 1200 days on my Duolingo streak. I wouldn’t recommend Duo to anybody. When I started, I gave it the benefit of the doubt that it was in beta and therefore things would occasionally be wrong or off. Words being pronounced with a different reading than they should be in a certain context is one of those issues, I’m sure I even ran into the ‘wa’ particle being read out as ‘ha’ at one point, which is like teaching English and mispronouncing ‘the’. I haven’t seen huge improvement in that time. Even basic things seem like they are technically correct, but no native would generally speak that way. (I’m hungry is translated by them as お腹が空きます, as opposed to お腹が空いています for instance. Anyone else find that sounds odd?). It’s making me paranoid about everything it tries to teach, though skepticism and open mindedness during language learning is a good thing in certain amounts, not feeling like you can trust a source in general is pretty bad. Duo seems like it was kinda made for European languages at first and then it expanded into trying to cover all languages possible without any special care being put into the expanded set. Though I’ve heard both Welsh and Spanish speaking people say “Who would ever say that? What a strange example, we’d usually say x or y instead.” when reviewing their courses as well.

Haven’t had as much experience with Lingodeer, and I don’t even remember it being a paid option back when I tried it out, but it seems like it was made with the purpose of teaching Japanese specifically. Which is highly preferable to Duo’s general framework. @Rego reminded me of it’s learning tips function. This is something I feel Duo has desperately needed for a while, rather than Duo’s tendency to rely on it’s community comments (Granted, some of the community users are pretty good at explaining and helping out, I have much respect for them. But it shouldn’t become their job to do so when that’s what Duolingo’s purpose is.). Lingodeer sounds more natural than what I’ve seen from Duo in terms of sentence examples. All around, I would trust it more than Duo and personally want to make the switch to it myself but haven’t yet for whatever reason. Even if it’s now a pay only option, I think it would be worth it.

TLDR: DuoJP has been in beta for 4+ years and relies on a general framework that isn’t built for japanese, Lingodeer seemed good straight outta the box and I regret not making that my main choice from the beginning.

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The what? :thinking: I did Spanish for a while and didn’t have anything like this.

The only good thing about Duolingo were the Stories. Those were actually well done and useful. Sadly they are only available in a few languages only.

Thanks for your detailed response. That was very interesting!

So is it the streak that is keeping you going? and have you been doing the Japanese course on Duo for 4 years or are you doing a bunch of other languages as well? (I see a lot of people on Duo doing 10+ languages at once).

I did bite the bullet and paid approx $160 AUD for a lifetime sub. It’s a lot of money for sure but i don’t regret it. It will give me a reason to take it seriously.

I’ve posted about this in previous threads, so I shall just quote myself, hehe:

DISCLAIMER: I have a lifetime LingoDeer and LingoDeer+ subscription from when they became available

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Great idea.

Another great idea.

Would recommend keeping both. I do Bunpo and then add the concepts I’ve learned to Bunpro.

Yes.

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Glad I could give some insight.

Yes the streak is part of what’s keeping me on it, the other half is my desire 100% the course. OCD won’t really let me justify letting that go. Fun fact, before Duo introduced the crown system it instead had a kind of SRS element to it’s lessons. So you’d have to run through a whole course of lessons constantly like spinning plates to keep them all from falling back down in strength level. It was poorly handled and actively discouraged progress for people who wanted all their stuff to be at maximum before even looking at new lessons. When they introduced crowns it was an improvement, but it reset a lot of user progress. As you said, working through it at the rate of a crown a day definitely takes it’s time.

Japanese is the reason I started doing Duo in the first place and I have been interested in a couple of other languages it offers (Esperanto, German), but I can’t justify really beginning trying to learn them before I get to a level I’m more comfortable with in Japanese first, I don’t think learning multiple languages at once would be very efficient (At least in my case, others may find that kind of thing easier, but I know it’d end up an incoherent mess for me). Also, given my time with Duo, I would probably look to another service if I do want to have a go at another language later on.

Cool, I wish you success. One recommendation since I just noticed that you’re still pretty early into learning Japanese is that you might like an app/book called Human Japanese, there’s a free version that covers the first eight chapters, and the full version with the rest of them (45) is 10 GBP which I think is like 20 AUD. I remember it being quite helpful when I started out and ultra cheap. Don’t know how it compares to Japanese from Zero, but you might enjoy it.

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The same mechanism you see in so many mobile games.
You have five hearts, every time you get something wrong, you lose a heart. Run out of hearts, and your current session is null and void. Every five minutes you get a new heart, up to the max of five. (my numbers may be incorrect, its been a while)

I’m just wondering why I didn’t have that. But that sounds like such bad design; especially in the context of language learning.

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lingodeer. Year ago when I tried it had solid n5-n4 grammar with very good explanation.
About Duolingo I agree with brit here.

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You cannot replace DuoLingo with LingoDeer.

Duolingo is a great practice resource. I use it strictly for practice, not for vocabulary builder or learning grammar. Suppose you have finished all courses (even if only 1 level each, then I think you can move on). For more challenges, use Japanese to English. I agree with other people here that it is repetitive, but I like the randomness of DuoLingo. I read studies that random order is really good for long-term learning than structured ones.

I have LingoDeer lifetime, but personally, I think there’s too much hype around it, just like Busuu. If you want an explanation for grammar, just buy a grammar dictionary. I like how BunPro doesn’t explain a lot and leaves references instead.

LingoDeer is just like BunPro with more structure, but not enough to test you. If I had to choose, I would ditch LingoDeer/Busuu and invest in BunPro + books instead. DeerPlus is also a good one for practice. HeyJapan is a cheaper alternative to LingoDeer if you don’t mind the robot voice.

All people bashing DuoLingo either are already an intermediate or advanced level or already good with sentence composition. However, it is perfect for beginner level to get the structure of the sentence correct. For complaints about strange translations, you will find that everywhere, not just DuoLingo. Even google translate is bad at translating. I also use Clozemaster and it also has weird translations. I couldn’t find a good alternative for sentence composition exercise other than DuoLingo or Migii app. LingoDeer has the exercise, but it is too little.

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It’s only on the mobile app. People who use Duolingo a lot use a web browser even on mobile to avoid it

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I haven’t used Lingodeer much aside from the testing out feature to see approximately what my Japanese level is at, but I found it pretty annoying that it often marked me as wrong when I used kanji where it expected hiragana. There was no way to report each incident either, which was discouraging for the future improvement of the service

On the topic of LingoDeer, does anyone have experience with the Korean lessons?

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Oh god there’s a bunpo and a bunpro. I never realized they were different. Thank you so much

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Ah, that makes sense. I never bothered with the app and just did it like this. I guess it was for the best :sweat_smile:.

If you want to learn stuff Lingodeer, Duolingo is half learning english and half learning japanese, Duolingo has a lack of explanation, and the things that explain are usually bad.

For example, duolingo does not explain verbs, it just tells that memorize a specific conjugation for a verb without telling you de structure, and while teaching the V[stem], one of the exercises of the same lesson forces you to use potential form, without telling you why, and it becomes confusing and frustrating

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The best advice I’ve come across is that these types of apps are supplements at best. No one has ever reached proficiency solely with Duolingo. So it really doesn’t matter what app you choose as long as you stick with something and consistently practice every day.

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I’ve been curious about that. Do the LD+ games sync with the content you’ve unlocked in the main app? Or are they completely separate?