Does studying go against the idea of SRS?

[Cptc4rrot]

New here, so first of all, hi everyone!

I’ve had the following question on my mind recently: is studying bad for the SRS system to work its magic? Does it interfere negatively with the way WaniKani is supposed to work?

It seems clear to me that studying Kanji right before they come up in review would be like cheating and probably detrimental to your learning. But what about right after reviews, or in between sets of reviews?

I guess this is a broad question on how to “practice” WaniKani when there are no reviews, but you want to get better at the items you already learned. I realize from reading the forums that the “no reviews” situation might be a rare occurrence later on, but still, I’m not rushing anything.

I should also clarify that I don’t care about leveling up fast and whatnot – my goal is just to learn the language.

Appreciate your thoughts!

[Cascades]

I have also frequently wondered this!

I’ll watch this thread’s development closely

[heisamaniac]

I am not an SRS expert or anything but I used the method for about 3 years so I’ll just give my thoughts on the topic since I had the same questions as you when starting out.

I personally don’t believe that it is necessary to go out of your way to further actively study the items that you learned from WaniKani. Just do your lessons and reviews and let the SRS do it’s magic.

However, that is not to say that you are ruining the SRS magic by encountering the same items when using textbooks or while immersing yourself in the language etc. It is really good for your brain to make connections with the same kanji, the same grammar, the same words, but in different contexts.

[tomwamt]

The “idea” of SRS is to memorize the item with the fewest number of exposures, so that you can fit more items into study sessions. It does not necessarily make it so you memorize individual items faster, for example.

So technically, yes, it goes against the idea, as you are getting more exposures than you otherwise would. But on the other hand it may help you overcome tougher items.

Find what works best.

[lamperez]

In fact, I recommend to study right after the reviews the items that were wrong. From the summary page, I open the red items in different browser tabs and review them again, until I feel comfortable with them.

I also recommend to use one of the leech training tools when they start to accumulate.

[prouleau]

I recall seeing a post from @MegaZeroX that discussed this topic at length, quoting scientific papers that have researched this very issue. I have not bookmarked it so I can’t provide a link, sorry. The gist of it is that extra studying improves memory retention over plain SRS. The only drawback is one should avoid studying just before the review.

If you study using the Self-Study Quiz script there is the Time Until Review filter you can configure to make sure the studied items are not seen too close to the review time. If you prefer studying using the Item Inspector script this filter is also available. Disclosure: I am the author of Item Inspector.

@lamperez

I also recommend to use one of the leech training tools when they start to accumulate.

Both Self-Study Quiz and Item Inspector can be used for leech training. A leech is an item that gives you trouble in reviews. It is advisable to study them.

[MegaZeroX]

This is the link you are thinking of:

There is no such thing as cheating yourself in SRS

First: what is this thread about? Well, something I’ve seen regularly posted in the WK forums is that doing any reviews outside of the scheduled ones will actively harm your learning, which sounded strange to me. I spent much of today delving into research of the field, and the post below is my findings. There will be a tl;dr at the end of the post. Let me give a disclaimer. I don’t do research in this area, nor do I know anyone that does. This is primarily just what I got from reading two meta…

[prouleau]

Thanks

[Cptc4rrot]

Thanks everyone for the feedback.

To summarize, studying helps as long as it’s not right before a review. I guess it’s a choice between wanting to reinforce specific items, versus learning more items instead, which is more in line with the SRS philosophy, as @tomwamt said.

[Cptc4rrot]

I definitely agree that seeing something outside of WK that I’ve studied here helps a lot. Partly because it creates this new experience of seeing something in the wild that you recognize.

Too bad it can’t be re-created at will for the items you want. It would be cool if you could go and read the up-and-down newspaper that somehow always organically mentions 上げる and 下げる

[alo]

@Cptc4rrot

I definitely agree that seeing something outside of WK that I’ve studied here helps a lot.

Seeing Kanji while reading builds context around the item and that reinforces the memory so I think it’s fine even just before a review.

[clickysteve]

Perhaps, but more exposure in different settings isn’t a bad thing. I wouldn’t go out of your way to avoid seeing or using kanji, as that will inevitably slow you down more in the long run.